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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10560980)

This defwnse needs a FS far more than a CB.

You stupid ****ers all bitch and moan that Bob Sutton didn't make any adjustments, when, in fact, he did.

He tried to cover foir the gaping hole at free safety by lining the corners off the line after teams began to exploit deep routes that Lewis failed to help with.

The problem is that it allowed teams to rape this defense on the quick dink and dunks that the Mannings and Rivers of the world thrive on.

Find a FS that can play the single high technique, and allow these corners to play the press physical coverage that they thrive on, and this secondary is plenty good enough to play against the QBs that scare your dumb asses.

All well said... only issue is you're likely going to have to reach early (round 1) for one or move up into round 2 somehow to get one of the others that will be around. That is, unless you can trade down which will be easier said than done this year. Ideally, I like Deone Buchanon out of Washington State, but he's looking like he'll go in round 2.

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10560818)

All of our losses were to the Broncos, Chargers and Colts.

Our offense was able to score against them. We lost because we couldn't stop their pass offense. And on top of that you have to worry about Tom Brady.

CB being picked at 23 doesn't bother me in the slightest.

I'm not sure that CB is necessarily the issue.

Poor LB and FS help were more instrumental in those losses than deficiencies on outside coverage, IMO. Neither Lewis nor Jordan were very effective in providing help on passing downs. I'm trying to think back over the past season and I can't remember Jordan doing much of anything. I'm not sure how much Mays is going to help either in that regard.

That being said, we do need some additional help at the CB position, much in the same manner as we need it at the OLB or OT spots. Starters are fine, but there isn't anything behind them.

However, I'm not sold on spending a first round pick on what is going to amount to a backup for the foreseeable future (3 years or so). The holes at OG, MLB and WR are certainly more demanding of attention.

Are you more comfortable with Joe Mays than Kyle Van Noy?

Are you more comfortable with with Donnie Avery than Marquis Lee/Brandin Cooks/Odell Beckham?

Are you more comfortable with Roke Watkins/Jeff Allen than Gabe Jackson/Xavier S'ua-Filo?

Are you more comfortable with Sean Smith/Brandon Flowers than Bradley Roby?

As Milk has said a couple of times, it wasn't necessarily that our corners or Sutton failed us, it was FS that ultimately led to our demise. (And I'd contend that the other ILB spot manned by Jordan didn't help matters either.)

Now, we will have a healthy Sanders Commings along with the recent signing of Jerron McMillian to go with Husain Abdullah and Eric Berry. In Commings, McMillian and Berry, you've got three guys who run in the mid 4.4's with very good verticals. I think our safety corps will be much improved this next season.

Positions that shouldn't even be on te draft board for the 23 slot:

CB
C
G
OT
ILB
RB
FB
K/P

All of those positions are either extremely deep, where a player of similar ability can be had later in the draft (CB, OT) or are a position not worth of that high of a pick.

Taking Roby in what could be the best corner class in the last 20 years would be a massive waste of a valuable resource.

Also, this is one of the poorest written pieces to make it past editors in quite some time.

"Though and through" ? Really?

The Chiefs could go Marquise Lee here (even though Lee goes to the Eagles before our pick)

I don't want to list the rest of the crap

The thing about taking a guy like Ealy is that he improves your run and pass defense simultaneously. Corners can't really do that.

I'd love it if we draft Ealy at 23.

Offensive line is pretty much the only position I'd be upset if we drafted at 23.

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10559803)

Goodell took your request under consideration and decided to delay the draft a full 2 weeks later.

I will murder him in his own home...

I'm not a fan of Roby and I've seen a lot of him. Not bad talent, but a pea brain. And for as much as I hear about how fast he is, he never seemed to play very fast. I'd be really worried about a guy like that who constantly got beat against the kind of garbage schedule OSU had last year.

Drafting a corner isn't a bad idea. But not high at all on Roby.

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10561280)

So WR shouldn't be on the board either since it's the deepest and best WR class in 10 years, right?

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10559704)

And I think that Moncrief goes above Beckham with those non-limiters as Beckham does Cooks.

Those limiters being size, arm length, verticality, speed, blocking ability, etc.

All three are exceptionally solid WR prospects, run solid routes, do the little things, but when you consider that:

Cooks: 5'10", 189 lbs., 30 3/4" arms, 9 5/8" hands, 4.33 40, 36.0" vert, 120" broad
Beckham: 5'11", 195 lbs., 32 3/4" arms, 10" hands, 4.43 40, 38.5" vert, 122" broad
Moncrief: 6'2 1/2", 221 lbs., 32 3/8" arms, 9 1/8" hands, 4.40 40, 39.5" vert, 132" broad

Beckham is bigger than Cooks with better explosiveness, Moncrief is bigger than Beckham with more explosiveness.

All three run great routes. All three block well. All three jet off the line.

What's the difference? What's the "limitations" on one versus the other?

All things being relatively equal, I take the guy who's 6'2 1/2", 221 lbs., versus the 5'10", 189 lb. guy because he's going to be able to be more physical, take more punishment, be more effective in blocking, etc.

I agree I'd also take the bigger guy IF I were taking a wr in round 1. But I hope we go D in the first and 3rd. Our D lost us way more games than out O did.

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10561631)

So WR shouldn't be on the board either since it's the deepest and best WR class in 10 years, right?

I think there are 5 or 6 WRs in this class that have a chance to be special players.

Watkins
Lee
Evans
Beckam
Cooks

Maybe Benjamin

While this is a deep receiver class, I don't see any of the other guys even close to this group.

It all depends on what you think would be better for this team.

1st - OLB/DE
3rd - WR
4th - CB

or

1st - WR
3rd - CB
4th - OLB/DE

or

1st - CB
3rd - OLB/DE
4th - WR

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10561711)

It all depends on what you think would be better for this team.

1st - OLB/DE
3rd - WR
4th - CB

or

1st - WR
3rd - CB
4th - OLB/DE

or

1st - CB
3rd - OLB/DE
4th - WR

All of our losses were because of the defense. We're FAR older on defense than offense. Our HC is an offensive genius.

It would make more sense to go defense IMO. I'm not putting my entire faith in a ****ing 5th rd safety to be the messiah. Especially when our CB's can't keep up with speedy WR's, or even WR's that aren't speedsters.

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10561711)

It all depends on what you think would be better for this team.

1st - OLB/DE
3rd - WR
4th - CB

or

1st - WR
3rd - CB
4th - OLB/DE

or

1st - CB
3rd - OLB/DE
4th - WR

1st - OLB/DE
3rd - CB/S
4th - WR