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jd1020 12-30-2014 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 11229409)
I'm asking if you're counting his entire signing bonus into that $19mil number? If so, that's dishonest as a signing bonus is divided into the years of the contract. That's also why I was asking what were the actual figures. Are you saying that his signing bonus is $14 or 15 mil/year? That's crazy and I don't buy it.

Let me give you an example using hypothetical figures since nobody wants to lay out the actual numbers. Let's say, just for hypothetical argument's sake, that Smith was being paid a 5 year contract for 60 million and the portion of that contract that was the signing bonus was $15 million. Then you should only count $3mil of signing bonus plus the regular salary for THIS YEAR.

I know I'm arguing semantics but I hate the dishonest arguments that go on around here a lot lately. Let's at least have honest discussions rather than hyperbole.
How the **** is adding every penny of what someone was paid dishonest?

Are you BlackBob?

Lzen 12-30-2014 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 11229412)
How the **** is adding every penny of what someone was paid dishonest?

Are you BlackBob?
Oh for crying out loud, man. What are you, 5 years old? Grow up.

jd1020 12-30-2014 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 11229415)
Oh for crying out loud, man. What are you, 5 years old? Grow up.
It's a legit question because I had this same argument with him earlier...

Alex Smith was written a check for $18M as soon as he signed the contract and he was also given a $1M base salary this year. That totals $19M for this year.

So again, how is saying that he was paid $19M this year dishonest?

Lzen 12-30-2014 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 11229397)
Thank you. So his bonus is 3.6 mil per year. Geez, why is that so hard for some to understand? Of course, this also means that if he were to play only 3 years then that would be adjusted to 6 mil per year.

chiefzilla1501 12-30-2014 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 11229409)
I'm asking if you're counting his entire signing bonus into that $19mil number? If so, that's dishonest as a signing bonus is divided into the years of the contract. That's also why I was asking what were the actual figures because I DON'T KNOW AND I AM CURIOUS. Are you saying that his signing bonus is $14 or 15 mil/year? That's crazy and I don't buy it.

Let me give you an example using hypothetical figures since nobody wants to lay out the actual numbers. Let's say, just for hypothetical argument's sake, that Smith was being paid a 5 year contract for 60 million and the portion of that contract that was the signing bonus was $15 million. Then you should only count $3mil of signing bonus plus the regular salary for THIS YEAR.

I know I'm arguing semantics but I hate the dishonest arguments that go on around here a lot lately. Let's at least have honest discussions rather than hyperbole.
If we're talking actual cash payments, Smith was paid $19M this year. $12M next year. $14M the next year.

jd1020 12-30-2014 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 11229421)
Thank you. So his bonus is 3.6 mil per year. Geez, why is that so hard for some to understand? Of course, this also means that if he were to play only 3 years then that would be adjusted to 6 mil per year.
You are BlackBob.

Lzen 12-30-2014 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 11229417)
It's a legit question because I had this same argument with him earlier...

Alex Smith was written a check for $18M as soon as he signed the contract and he was also given a $1M base salary this year. That totals $19M for this year.

So again, how is saying that he was paid $19M this year dishonest?
He was not paid $19M for just this year.

jd1020 12-30-2014 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 11229424)
He was not paid $19M for just this year.
Yes he ****ing was.

Saccopoo 12-30-2014 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 11229382)
A cool $1.055 mil/per TD. Not a bad gig if you can get it.
Lacerated spleen.

That doesn't really sound like a good gig.

If you were a starting NFL QB, would you want to play behind the offensive line that the Chiefs had this past season?

Sandy Vagina 12-30-2014 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 11229417)
It's a legit question because I had this same argument with him earlier...

Alex Smith was written a check for $18M as soon as he signed the contract and he was also given a $1M base salary this year. That totals $19M for this year.

So again, how is saying that he was paid $19M this year dishonest?
Cap cost per year, and what that player does to earn it is all that matters.


You must be really stupid, if you can't process what I am saying here.

4.6 mil cap cost for Alex in 2014.

15.5 mil cap cost for Alex in 2015.

Obsessing about the money handed under the table is lame. Every big contract is going to have guaranteed dollars that have to be regarded in later years... but that is for later years. As of now, dude earned his 4.6, and any other monies earned is not affecting the Chiefs.

The time to bitch is in the future years, IF he is no longer worth what he costs against the KC cap.

Lzen 12-30-2014 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 11229425)
Yes he ****ing was.
Good Lord, you are dumb. He was paid $1M for this year plus $18M for this year and the next 4 years (1+4=5). The $18 mil was not for JUST THIS YEAR. It was for this year plus 4 years.

Hoover 12-30-2014 01:14 PM
Who is Trent Green, I only remember TrINT

johnny961 12-30-2014 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11229126)
And Alex probably isn't anywhere near Trent's yards per attempt or per completion.
Alex never will be a gunslinger. With better protection though it gives the intermediate and longer routes more time to develop.

jd1020 12-30-2014 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 11229431)
Good Lord, you are dumb. He was paid $1M for this year plus $18M for this year and the next 4 years (1+4=5). The $18 mil was not for JUST THIS YEAR. It was for this year plus 4 years.
LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

Lzen 12-30-2014 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 11229425)
Yes he ****ing was.
And yes, I get the fact that he was actually paid that money up front.


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