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Chief Northman 03-29-2016 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12154818)
They've never reached on an immediate need just because of said need.

If corner matches up,theyll take one. If not, I could see them going another direction.

The whole BPA/need debate is often conjecture at best. What fans perceive as need and what organization's deem as need can differ. We are not privy to remaining FA interests the Chiefs may have with players. We are at the stage of free agency where many of the remaining FA's out there will be picked up after the draft when a team feels it needs to round out positions for depth.

Fans aren't stupid, and are aware of roster deficiencies, but how much of an emphasis individual teams place on need vs. BPA varies from franchise to franchise. Every GM is going to "say" they take the BPA at any and every given pick, but there are so many factors that go into evaluations of what truly constitutes your BPA: production, health/injury history, experience, measureables, character, etc.

Look at Dorsey's recent early picks:
Peters? - definite need, and arguable BPA (where as some teams stayed away because of character concerns, so for some he was not the BPA)
Ford? - arguable about immediate need, and arguable about BPA. I believe the Ford pick was based on supply/demand that draft year for pass rushers and an aging Hali consideration.
Fisher? - definite need, but at the time also merited legitimate #1 overall consideration given a weak draft class especially at the top. Not a lot of elite blue-chip talent that year or consensus prospects.

Corner this year is a need whether it be slot or #2, unless they are ready to turn Gaines and Nelson loose as starters (which could happen). The DL rotation could be shored up and when factoring contract situations, maybe a buffer against Poe and Howard could be brought in.
Personally my gut feeling says the Chiefs will go with a secondary player (Corner or safety) early given the departures of Smith/Branch/Abdullah. The DL depth in this draft should mean great talent is available later.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-29-2016 12:03 PM

Where does Nkemdiche fit though? With Poe, Bailey, Howard... Not a lot of snaps to go around

O.city 03-29-2016 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 12154870)
The whole BPA/need debate is often conjecture at best. What fans perceive as need and what organization's deem as need can differ. We are not privy to remaining FA interests the Chiefs may have with players. We are at the stage of free agency where many of the remaining FA's out there will be picked up after the draft when a team feels it needs to round out positions for depth.

Fans aren't stupid, and are aware of roster deficiencies, but how much of an emphasis individual teams place on need vs. BPA varies from franchise to franchise. Every GM is going to "say" they take the BPA at any and every given pick, but there are so many factors that go into evaluations of what truly constitutes your BPA: production, health/injury history, experience, measureables, character, etc.

Look at Dorsey's recent early picks:
Peters? - definite need, and arguable BPA (where as some teams stayed away because of character concerns, so for some he was not the BPA)
Ford? - arguable about immediate need, and arguable about BPA. I believe the Ford pick was based on supply/demand that draft year for pass rushers and an aging Hali consideration.
Fisher? - definite need, but at the time also merited legitimate #1 overall consideration given a weak draft class especially at the top. Not a lot of elite blue-chip talent that year or consensus prospects.

Corner this year is a need whether it be slot or #2, unless they are ready to turn Gaines and Nelson loose as starters (which could happen). The DL rotation could be shored up and when factoring contract situations, maybe a buffer against Poe and Howard could be brought in.
Personally my gut feeling says the Chiefs will go with a secondary player (Corner or safety) early given the departures of Smith/Branch/Abdullah. The DL depth in this draft should mean great talent is available later.

They just don't seem to reach for the draft. They do a good job of letting it come to them.

I agree with your post though.

It just seems alot like the year we were so badly needing a wr and ended up with Ford where everyone and their brother had us going wr.

O.city 03-29-2016 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12154874)
Where does Nkemdiche fit though? With Poe, Bailey, Howard... Not a lot of snaps to go around

3rd downs to start. Just let him get up and go I'd imagine.

staylor26 03-29-2016 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12154874)
Where does Nkemdiche fit though? With Poe, Bailey, Howard... Not a lot of snaps to go around

I don't think Dorsey cares about that. He's not drafting for next year. Poe is a FA after this season, then Howard the next, and Bailey in three years.

If he feels Nkemdiche is BPA he will take him.

As for this year, I think Nkemdiche could be used as an interior pass rusher in sub packages.

Chief Northman 03-29-2016 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12154874)
Where does Nkemdiche fit though? With Poe, Bailey, Howard... Not a lot of snaps to go around

3-4 OLB and interior pass rush

RunKC 03-29-2016 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12154858)
That's what I'm thinking. Maybe Treadwell though.

Nkemdiche has Dorsey written all over him.

The guy called himself lazy at the combine. Doesn't sound like he is passionate about football to me.

Vernon Butler over this dumbass any day.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-29-2016 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12154888)
The guy called himself lazy at the combine. Doesn't sound like he is passionate about football to me.

Vernon Butler over this dumbass any day.

Dorsey has no history of drafting players with work ethic issues, so that would really make Nkemdiche seem like a long shot

RunKC 03-29-2016 12:50 PM

@TerezPaylor-Dorsey on the state of the CB position: "There’s a reason why we drafted (Steven) Nelson and Phillip Gaines where we did."

Typical GM talk but I do think there is truth to this.

staylor26 03-29-2016 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12154963)
@TerezPaylor-Dorsey on the state of the CB position: "There’s a reason why we drafted (Steven) Nelson and Phillip Gaines where we did."

Typical GM talk but I do think there is truth to this.

Yea we aren't taking a corner in the 1st.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-29-2016 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12154963)
@TerezPaylor-Dorsey on the state of the CB position: "There’s a reason why we drafted (Steven) Nelson and Phillip Gaines where we did."

Typical GM talk but I do think there is truth to this.

Reinforces what many have been thinking with them not signing any CBs in FA.

I think they plan to start those guys.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-29-2016 01:07 PM

Dorsey, when asked if the #Chiefs are planning on Houston being ready pretty early: “Yeah, absolutely." - @TerezPaylor

O.city 03-29-2016 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 12154886)
3-4 OLB and interior pass rush

think he can stand up at olb?

O.city 03-29-2016 01:15 PM

I wouldn't read too much into what any gm says this time of year

staylor26 03-29-2016 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 12155003)
Dorsey, when asked if the #Chiefs are planning on Houston being ready pretty early: “Yeah, absolutely." - @TerezPaylor

:D

Where's OP?


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