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BossChief 02-19-2020 09:42 PM
Sorry, I’m not anywhere near as big of a fan of Sammy Watkins as others here are. He’s ultra talented, but has motivation problems and decides when to turn on his switch and when to just put it on autopilot. After week 1, he kinda disappeared till the playoffs. After winning the Super Bowl, he started talking about taking a year off or sitting out till camp.

I’d rather spend that kind of $ on players that bring max effort every play.

This is the best WR class in quite some time. 55 WRs were invited to the combine. I’d rather use that money on a stud corner or linebacker, TBH.

Marcellus 02-19-2020 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 14803922)
5b / 32 teams = 156,250,000 per team
Over how many years? Thats not per year obviously.

BossChief 02-19-2020 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 14804273)
Over how many years? Thats not per year obviously.
Over another 10 year CBA.

15.625m per year before new TV deals are done, more gambling proceeds hit the bottom line and more games.

Iowanian 02-19-2020 09:53 PM
I think they could help teams by expanding the roster to 55 and letting every player dress.

DaneMcCloud 02-19-2020 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 14804268)
Sorry, I’m not anywhere near as big of a fan of Sammy Watkins as others here are. He’s ultra talented, but has motivation problems and decides when to turn on his switch and when to just put it on autopilot. After week 1, he kinda disappeared till the playoffs. After winning the Super Bowl, he started talking about taking a year off or sitting out till camp.
I totally get what you’re saying but from my perspective, the Chiefs offense is at its most dangerous when Watkins is healthy and available. It just wasn’t the same without him, IMO.

I’d rather the Chiefs keep him and draft a possible replacement rather than cut ties with him and hope they can find someone that can step in to provide similar value offensively.

Hardman isn’t a Watkins replacement, IMO. The Chiefs would need to hit on a second rounder like Deebo Samuel in order to replace Watkins in this offense, which I suppose isn’t out of the question in the 2020 draft, but is much riskier than continuing to keep Watkins on the roster.

BossChief 02-19-2020 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 14804347)
I totally get what you’re saying but from my perspective, the Chiefs offense is at its most dangerous when Watkins is healthy and available. It just wasn’t the same without him, IMO.

I’d rather the Chiefs keep him and draft a possible replacement rather than cut ties with him and hope they can find someone that can step in to provide similar value offensively.

Hardman isn’t a Watkins replacement, IMO. The Chiefs would need to hit on a second rounder like Deebo Samuel in order to replace Watkins in this offense, which I suppose isn’t out of the question in the 2020 draft, but is much riskier than continuing to keep Watkins on the roster.
I’m on record with a breakdown of why I’d be ok with extending Sammy at the current going rate of his role on the team. 10-11m per with a cap of 12m aav

That’s paying him like Keenan Allen.

I think that’s beyond fair, being that Allen has twice the production.

TomBarndtsTwin 02-19-2020 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 14804347)
I totally get what you’re saying but from my perspective, the Chiefs offense is at its most dangerous when Watkins is healthy and available. It just wasn’t the same without him, IMO.

I’d rather the Chiefs keep him and draft a possible replacement rather than cut ties with him and hope they can find someone that can step in to provide similar value offensively.

Hardman isn’t a Watkins replacement, IMO. The Chiefs would need to hit on a second rounder like Deebo Samuel in order to replace Watkins in this offense, which I suppose isn’t out of the question in the 2020 draft, but is much riskier than continuing to keep Watkins on the roster.
I don’t know. This is one of the deepest WR drafts in years, maybe EVER, according to some scouts. A lot of guys being taken in the second round may be first rounders in other years. If you can get a first round talent in the second on a rookie deal, that sure looks tempting compared to paying Watkins $12-14 mil. per year. And you could invest that extra money back into Jones (if the Chiefs decide to keep him) or a really good FA CB or an elite LB.

I like Watkins too, but the strategy above may be a smarter play. Plus, as others have said, I question his motivation going forward.

FloridaMan88 02-19-2020 10:23 PM
JFC, is it really necessary to bump a three year old thread to post updated news?

Start a new thread.

BossChief 02-19-2020 10:24 PM
Sammy is a guy that if he gave full effort on every play could be a 1500 yard receiver that score a minimum of 10tds per year.

Go look at his production after week one till the playoffs.

WRs making his kind of Jack don’t disappear for 15 games like that.

I’d love to see this offense with a vet like AJ Green in the WR2 role and Hardman in the slot...and at his age and never having won anything...that’s a real possibility.

RealSNR 02-19-2020 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 14803936)
I thoroughly disagree.

In November 2018, I had bi-lateral micro-decompression of my L2/L3, L3/L4 and L4/L5, which is the long way of saying that I had surgery for Spinal Stenosis.

I took Tramadol, which is an extremely potent opoid, for 3 days. Not only was I completely and utterly constipated, and spent 8 hours one night bleeding out my ass due to the effect of the opioid, I was in massive pain.

On Day 4, I flushed the Tramadol down the toilet and began taking 40mg's of edibles, Nugs to be exact, to combat the pain. It was like a miracle drug, I shit you not. I didn't get "high", because the pain was way too intense but I felt SO much better AND after a few days, resumed normal bathroom activities.

I have no idea what it feels like to play in the NFL but it's difficult for me to believe that THC won't help manage their pain.

DaneMcCloud has anal leakage?

CarlosCarson27 02-19-2020 11:56 PM
If they strike, they strike. Big deal. It will end like the others. Players get a little bit ,while the owners lose nothing. Over and over again.
Jocks are a dime a dozen. There's not only 35 great QBS in a land of 300 million.

TimBone 02-20-2020 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin (Post 14804359)
I don’t know. This is one of the deepest WR drafts in years, maybe EVER, according to some scouts. A lot of guys being taken in the second round may be first rounders in other years. If you can get a first round talent in the second on a rookie deal, that sure looks tempting compared to paying Watkins $12-14 mil. per year. And you could invest that extra money back into Jones (if the Chiefs decide to keep him) or a really good FA CB or an elite LB.



I like Watkins too, but the strategy above may be a smarter play. Plus, as others have said, I question his motivation going forward.
Production or not, Sammy has to be accounted for anytime he's on the field. He's got ultra speed with decent size. Like Dan mentioned, the offensive production of the offense goes down when he's out because his presence alone opens up the field for others.

Even if the Chiefs hit on a great receiver in this class, would you want to rely on a rookie coming in and playing consistently in Reid's offense? The Chiefs could realistically win the SB again next year. I wouldnt want to be counting on a rookie coming in to learn Reid's offense and have that same impact year one that Watkins has when he's in the game.

listopencil 02-20-2020 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 14803936)
I thoroughly disagree.

In November 2018, I had bi-lateral micro-decompression of my L2/L3, L3/L4 and L4/L5, which is the long way of saying that I had surgery for Spinal Stenosis.

I took Tramadol, which is an extremely potent opoid, for 3 days. Not only was I completely and utterly constipated, and spent 8 hours one night bleeding out my ass due to the effect of the opioid, I was in massive pain.

On Day 4, I flushed the Tramadol down the toilet and began taking 40mg's of edibles, Nugs to be exact, to combat the pain. It was like a miracle drug, I shit you not. I didn't get "high", because the pain was way too intense but I felt SO much better AND after a few days, resumed normal bathroom activities.

I have no idea what it feels like to play in the NFL but it's difficult for me to believe that THC won't help manage their pain.



1) I'm sorry you had to go through that and I hope you're doing good now


2) I have first hand experience with a loved one that used it to help with pain management and not only was it effective but it allowed her to cut back on the prescription medication, and doing that prolonged her life.

dlphg9 02-20-2020 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 14803936)
I thoroughly disagree.

In November 2018, I had bi-lateral micro-decompression of my L2/L3, L3/L4 and L4/L5, which is the long way of saying that I had surgery for Spinal Stenosis.

I took Tramadol, which is an extremely potent opoid, for 3 days. Not only was I completely and utterly constipated, and spent 8 hours one night bleeding out my ass due to the effect of the opioid, I was in massive pain.

On Day 4, I flushed the Tramadol down the toilet and began taking 40mg's of edibles, Nugs to be exact, to combat the pain. It was like a miracle drug, I shit you not. I didn't get "high", because the pain was way too intense but I felt SO much better AND after a few days, resumed normal bathroom activities.

I have no idea what it feels like to play in the NFL but it's difficult for me to believe that THC won't help manage their pain.
Tramadol is actually one of the least potent pain killers out there. To be constipated after just 3 days on an opioid makes it seem like you are overly sensitive to the effects of it. Tramadol is also synthetic and act like an antidepressant. It's trash.

Mecca 02-20-2020 05:47 AM
I was given Tramadol at 1 point, it did jack and shit for me after surgery...oxycodone just makes me tired. But Pain meds really don't have much affect on me to be honest.


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