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Buehler445 08-08-2018 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 13664764)
trade Houston for Mack straight up. LOL

To hell with that.

Buehler445 08-08-2018 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13664737)
Packers getting Mack... woo. That might make them a favorite. NFC is tough though. Much deeper than the AFC.

I haven't followed this offseason, but the gameplan is probably pretty easy: Run away from Mack.

Pasta Little Brioni 08-08-2018 12:37 PM

What a disaster of a hire Gruden was

Reerun_KC 08-08-2018 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 13501256)
10 million words to say that Gruden is average/mediocre.

How much more is that than super average Andy?

DJ's left nut 08-08-2018 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13664733)
Rumor is the Packers could trade for Mack since they will be clearing money off the books next year from older players and have 2 first rd picks next year.

Donald Penn was asked to take a pay cut and he doesn’t want to so Gruden is rolling with his 1st rd pick.

Drafting a guy in the 1st round who can't pass block was his first problem.

Starting the guy in front of a QB who doesn't handle the rush well is his second.

God I love what Gruden's doing to that franchise. It was a stupid hire from the start but even I never could've fathomed just how stupid it will turn out to be.

This is beautiful.

Dayze 08-08-2018 12:51 PM

I haven't followed the Raiders very much. I'm assuming Mack is about to get paid big bucks? Is he on his rookie deal still?

SuperBowl4 08-08-2018 12:53 PM

JG will take MD's money for a few years then retire for good.

jdubya 08-08-2018 02:08 PM

Live here locally so I get tons of raider news. Sounds like their camp is going great and LT Miller is further along than they could even hope. Penn is injured and being asked to restructure his contract. Not hearing any trade rumors regarding Mack but who knows? He still has a year left on his contract.

The Franchise 08-08-2018 02:09 PM

Apparently Martavis Bryant can't figure out the playbook and Gruden isn't happy.

lawrenceRaider 08-08-2018 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 13664803)
I haven't followed the Raiders very much. I'm assuming Mack is about to get paid big bucks? Is he on his rookie deal still?

Yes, he's got around $13.8 million for his 5th year option. Wants long term deal. Neither he, nor the Raiders, have put anything out there that indicates anything other than they currently have an impasse about either term, guaranteed money, or average/year. It doesn't help that the other best young defender in the NFL, Donald, is also up for an extension, and his 5th year option is only $6 million, and is reportedly asking for $25 million a year.

Strongside 08-08-2018 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 13664918)
Apparently Martavis Bryant can't figure out the playbook and Gruden isn't happy.

This comes as a surprise to no one. Bryant is a ****ing moron.

staylor26 08-08-2018 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 13664918)
Apparently Martavis Bryant can't figure out the playbook and Gruden isn't happy.

Lol wasted a 3rd

O.city 08-08-2018 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13664801)
Drafting a guy in the 1st round who can't pass block was his first problem.

Starting the guy in front of a QB who doesn't handle the rush well is his second.

God I love what Gruden's doing to that franchise. It was a stupid hire from the start but even I never could've fathomed just how stupid it will turn out to be.

This is beautiful.

I mean, it may work out. But ****, the guy just seems stuck in 04.

How did they think that would be a good hire?

Pasta Little Brioni 08-08-2018 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jdubya (Post 13664916)
Live here locally so I get tons of raider news. Sounds like their camp is going great and LT Miller is further along than they could even hope. Penn is injured and being asked to restructure his contract. Not hearing any trade rumors regarding Mack but who knows? He still has a year left on his contract.

Lulz

DJ's left nut 08-08-2018 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 13664921)
Yes, he's got around $13.8 million for his 5th year option. Wants long term deal. Neither he, nor the Raiders, have put anything out there that indicates anything other than they currently have an impasse about either term, guaranteed money, or average/year. It doesn't help that the other best young defender in the NFL, Donald, is also up for an extension, and his 5th year option is only $6 million, and is reportedly asking for $25 million a year.

Defensive players are just refusing to acknowledge the 'we are not going to pay you like a quarterback' thing.

If Donald or Mack would sign for a percentage kicker over what Von Miller signed for, I'm betting the deals get done. I just don't feel like they're willing to do that. They're hell-bent on re-setting the market for elite defensive players and getting them paid like they're a quarterback.

It's not gonna happen, lads. If they'd sign a deal with something like $75 million in guarantees and maybe $82 million over the first 4 years of the deal (who really gives a crap about the last year or two; fake money), I bet they'd get their contract done.

But when the Rams can tag Donald three times for a total of $55 million, just exactly how does he think he's gonna get them to pay him $25 million/season? Even Mack's 3 time franchise figure is 'only' $67 million. They're barking for money that no sane franchise would give them.

I'd be just as pleased to see the Raiders capitulate to Mack as I would see them trade him. Go ahead and extend a guy at $23 million/season through his age 31 season. See how that works out for you. Or hell, go ahead and trade him out of the division - I certainly wouldn't mind seeing him gone either. Personally, I think Mack's put them in a lose/lose situation here.

As for Donald - whatev; not my division, don't care. He can decide to retire if he wants but it's pretty silly to me that the Rams have him under team control for $55 million if they want over the three years after this one and he's effectively asking them to 'gift' him another $20 million. You don't like the rules - talk to your player rep. Maybe next time you guys won't get walloped in the CBA quite so badly.


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