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Pitt Gorilla 10-06-2020 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15222316)
This is a team that should be able to run some pretty clever inside trap plays, but unless I missed it, I saw few/none of them last night. I wonder if Osemele's lack of lateral agility and/or Wylie maybe not being at 100% prevented it.

With DE's bracketing and a light box....man, an inside trap should be REALLY easy to break. Especially w/ the threat of the pass making the DL need to hesitate just a tick more which would allow the G/T combo to get to the 2nd level a little easier.

Just not real sure why we didn't see more of those. Maybe we did and I missed 'em.

Wylie and Osemele BOTH struggled run blocking last night due to the Pats' quickness. Fish struggled blocking Winovich throughout. The Pats were outstanding up front.

If the Chiefs are going to pull, they might choose Reiter honestly.

htismaqe 10-06-2020 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 15222682)
And they still stopped the run with their stunts and speed up front. It was really impressive. Sure, the line could block better, but those stunts were lethal and their players didn't miss.

You want to know why the Chiefs are the first team in NFL history to start FOUR consecutive seasons with a 4-0 start? It's really ****ing hard to win in the NFL. Period. I'll take a 16-point win over the Patriots any day, even if it wasn't pretty enough for Chief Fan.

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htismaqe 10-06-2020 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 15222695)
It's true. The run is open right up the middle. I know people were whining about it, but if CEH makes about 3 better reads last night, he's over 100 rushing. The line has to block the stunts better (and deal with speed better), but we're fine here.

Exactly.

Bill Brasky 10-06-2020 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15222209)
Have to get Mahomes under center and beat them with the running game when they do that.

Our running game between the tackles was AWFUL. Let's not go back to that strategy. Jet sweeps, options, screens passes please.

lcarus 10-06-2020 12:46 PM

You almost need to have a spy on Mahomes. Him picking up first downs with his legs is something defenses have to account for at this point.

Hammock Parties 10-06-2020 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Brasky (Post 15222741)
Our running game between the tackles was AWFUL. Let's not go back to that strategy. Jet sweeps, options, screens passes please.

Outside zone stretch runs, bud.

htismaqe 10-06-2020 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Brasky (Post 15222741)
Our running game between the tackles was AWFUL. Let's not go back to that strategy. Jet sweeps, options, screens passes please.

It's not that easy to run to the edge on 7 or 8 DB's if they're expecting it.

You HAVE to run up the middle to keep them off balance.

DJ's left nut 10-06-2020 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 15222707)
Wylie and Osemele BOTH struggled run blocking last night due to the Pats' quickness. Fish struggled blocking Winovich throughout. The Pats were outstanding up front.

If the Chiefs are going to pull, they might choose Reiter honestly.

It's so hard to pull with a C though because the downshot is pretty catastrophic.

A NT's job is just rarely all that complicated - impact the C at the snap. There's not much read/react. The reason a trap works is that there's a little misdirection from the G that gets the 5T to delay juuuuust long enough for him to get blindsided by the pulling G.

The NT just doesn't do that really. And the C has the added responsibility of ensuring a quality snap and moving slowly enough out of his stance to ensure that he doesn't step on the QB. You throw a pull in there and there's a LOT that can go wrong.

I don't think I'd have a pulling C in my playbook at all. Maybe in a short of shotgun or speed option play, but never on an interior run play. I just can't see a way it doesn't fall apart almost immediately.

lcarus 10-06-2020 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15222753)
Outside zone stretch runs, bud.

Spoken like someone who has feasted on those plays in Madden :p

bobhill 10-06-2020 12:52 PM

I wish Wiley would not start.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-06-2020 12:55 PM

Meanwhile Chiefs defense is top 2 in points this year and since mid-season last year

tmax63 10-06-2020 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RedRaider56 (Post 15222220)
Would help if the OL could open some holes for the RB inside from time to time


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Yes to this. They showed a play, at halftime I think, where the Pats had six in the box and CEH got stuffed for no gain. That can't happen routinely.

ping2000 10-06-2020 01:01 PM

The defense was setup for up the middle draw plays to be successful. They weren't though, because the interior oline sucks at run blocking. That's why they tried to run up the butt 500 times. The outside runs should not have worked so well, but did because our tackles are decent. Andy should have said "**** the percentages " earlier and stopped wasting plays running inside. He is stubborn, and it almost cost them. Play to our strengths, and **** the percentage plays.

ChiefsFanatic 10-06-2020 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15222209)
Have to get Mahomes under center and beat them with the running game when they do that.

I know this will be an unpopular opinion, but there were quite a few times that CEH just ran directly into a group of offensive linemen and defenders. I mean, like he was trying to hit a target.

His strength is supposed to be quick cuts, lateral cuts, and fast decision making when it comes to deciding which lane to run through, but last night he barely did that at all, and ran directly into the pile.

It was frustrating to watch.

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htismaqe 10-06-2020 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 15222821)
I know this will be an unpopular opinion, but there were quite a few times that CEH just ran directly into a group of offensive linemen and defenders. I mean, like he was trying to hit a target.

His strength is supposed to be quick cuts, lateral cuts, and fast decision making when it comes to deciding which lane to run through, but last night he barely did that at all, and ran directly into the pile.

It was frustrating to watch.

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He's young. He missed some reads last night, he'll learn.


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