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KC_Connection 11-01-2021 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 15928055)
In Mahomes best season, not including his runs, we ran the ball 327 times. This season we're on pace for 270 through 16 games. I don't know why people are acting like saying we need to run more means we become the Tennessee Titans.

We ran the ball more because we were leading games and our offense was firing on all cylinders. None of this is happening anymore.

petegz28 11-01-2021 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15928058)
The answer is the short passing game. Mahomes has executed it at a high level previously in his career.

It is hit or miss right now. Mahomes throws one off, a drop somewhere else.

They have to keep chopping wood on the short passing game, running tweedle dee and tweedle dum up Creed's cheeks isn't the answer.

The Chiefs had 368 yards tonight with over 100 yards in penalties.

They will get it figured out.

Keep chopping wood with the axe that is Mahomes' right arm. It will sharpen up.

Williams and Gore will always be dull.

I think I mentioned the short passing game along with more running. Ball control. That's what the short passing game is.

Whatever it takes to get defenses to respect the short game.

DRM08 11-01-2021 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 15928005)
The funny thing is that most teams (like the Giants for instance) would kill to have a QB who even performed on the level Mahomes did today. There are some very bad starting QBs in the NFL. Quite a few really.

QBR grades tonight

Dan Jones = 32/100
Mahomes = 19/100

Patrick is playing terrible football these days. Who knows when he will get out of the slump, but it's ugly right now. I'm in favor of a stronger run game if they can pull it off.

Hammock Parties 11-01-2021 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 15928055)
In Mahomes best season, not including his runs, we ran the ball 327 times. This season we're on pace for 270 through 16 games.

Your stats are wrong.

They're on pace for 312 non-QB runs. More if you count the 17th game.

And they've been way behind half the time.

-King- 11-01-2021 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 15928046)
Not seeing him missing a lot of wide open recievers. Not saying none of the blame is on him, but take away the batted balls, the fumbles, let him scramble and not worry so much about keeping him in the pocket (which limits his game), and we are having a different conversation. If you think if what ails the offense rests more than 30% on Mahomes...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Where is Pat going here in this pocket? <a href="https://t.co/qEgo2DEGc3">pic.twitter.com/qEgo2DEGc3</a></p>&mdash; Danny (@JewellHawks) <a href="https://twitter.com/JewellHawks/status/1455373728511049729?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Why does he need to scramble to be a good QB? Especially if it's causing him to run into sacks and miss open receivers?

cdcox 11-01-2021 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 15928041)
I agree with the premise here, but we have to face the facts: Mahomes is in a slump. The offense needs a consistent means of moving the ball till he figures it out.

The passing game hasn't been special all year. It may come out of it. I think it will. But thus fat it hasnt.

The offense is in a slump. It isn't more than 30% on Mahomes. Again, if the scheme that teams were running against the Chiefs were magical, all defenses would shut down all passing games. Andy needs to put on his thinking cap. There have to be whole in the secondary we are not exploiting.

JakeF 11-01-2021 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 15928055)
In Mahomes best season, not including his runs, we ran the ball 327 times. This season we're on pace for 270 through 16 games. I don't know why people are acting like saying we need to run more means we become the Tennessee Titans.

Interesting

How much of that running game was Andy shutting the offense down whenever we got a 14+ lead?

Hammock Parties 11-01-2021 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 15928064)
I think I mentioned the short passing game along with more running. Ball control. That's what the short passing game is.

Whatever it takes to get defenses to respect the short game.

No more running. More short passes, yes.

Darrel and Gore are one trick ponies. You cannot give them the ball 30 times.

dirk digler 11-01-2021 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 15928046)
Not seeing him missing a lot of wide open recievers. Not saying none of the blame is on him, but take away the batted balls, the fumbles, let him scramble and not worry so much about keeping him in the pocket (which limits his game), and we are having a different conversation. If you think if what ails the offense rests more than 30% on Mahomes...

ummm he is missing a shit ton of throws. He looks like a QB with zero confidence and isn't trusting his eyes and is worried about getting sacked.

BossChief 11-01-2021 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15928023)
So we are Marty's Chiefs. 20-17 wins. Take our foot off the gas. Play for the field goal. Neuter the best players on our team. Never run outside because you have no one to run outside.

AWESOME!

**** youself.

PS - You were wrong about the defense. BITCH!

Nobody is saying to permanently go in that direction…but this team….with OTs that struggle to block the edges…hell yes.

We have 700 pounds of tackles and the best interior OL in the NFL.

Let them eat.

oldman 11-01-2021 10:30 PM

I don't think we ought to give up on the pass for the run, but the Giants were giving us the middle of the field 8-10 yard routes all night long and we were too stubborn to take them. Take what the opposing D gives you until they die a death of a 1000 cuts and then bombs away when have to bring those safeties up. Good grief, we can't be so in love with the bomb that we lose games "because Mahomes". Face it, something is off with him this year. Even Kelce was un-Kelce tonight. Sometimes you have to use your head and not your balls. If running the ball and getting 5-6 YPC and winning just isn't sexy enough for you, go make yourself a wine spritzer and chill out. Winning is everything.

KC_Connection 11-01-2021 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 15928065)
QBR grades tonight

Dan Jones = 32/100
Mahomes = 19/100

Patrick is playing terrible football these days. Who knows when he will get out of the slump, but it's ugly right now. I'm in favor of a stronger run game if they can pull it off.

Every run is a win for the opposing defense, that’s why they are playing the coverages they are. Reid and Mahomes just need to do better.

BossChief 11-01-2021 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 15928073)
ummm he is missing a shit ton of throws. He looks like a QB with zero confidence and isn't trusting his eyes and is worried about getting sacked.

EXACTLY.

Andy needs to adjust the scheme to help him in exactly those areas.

BlackOp 11-01-2021 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 15927985)
For the 1st time in years i felt like the Chiefs were more exciting running the ball tonight.

Gore was electric.

You were on here a few weeks ago saying he was a JAG...

I said I liked his vision in the preseason...

This OL excels at run blocking....Chiefs need to revamp their offensive strategy until the the 2 deep has to come up...Gore is better than Williams.

The NFL has solved the Mahomes "scramble until someone breaks open" routine...and it's only "solved" because they dont have to worry about the run.

FloridaMan88 11-01-2021 10:31 PM

It’s strange that the Chiefs did make considerable efforts to improve their personnel for the short yardage plays… by signing McKinnon who is good on screens and improving their TE depth to utilize multi-TE sets.

But we’ve barely seen any of that implemented to-date.

Noah Gray was the talk of training camp and nothing 8 weeks into the season.


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