Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15933822)

Trent Williams wasn't an alternative. He was Option A and he elected not to sign here.

Both parties gotta sign the deal, brah. Health issues or no, he elected to stay in SF. It is what it is.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15933783)

I was told by you that there was no way that Veach could match his 2020 draft…

:)

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15933819)

Left to Right (OBJ, Thuney, Humphrey, Smith, Niang)

70.8 -- 81.4 -- 70.6 -- 66.5 -- 58.2

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15933825)

Yea I shouldn’t have referred to him as an “alternative”, but many on CP don’t seem to understand the concept of free agents making their own choices (see Melvin Ingram).

But point is, in hindsight, I don’t know how I’d feel about that Trent Williams contract if he were showing signs of his body breaking down 8 games into it.

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 15933834)

Damn, Smith really dropped off recently.

About what I figured. Niang showed improvement last game.

Originally Posted by Chargem (Post 15933715)

You're right, that was hastily typed - it's more like the trade was trash. Brown is probably an average LT, but not worth trading a 1st round pick and then what, having to let him walk or over pay him?

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15933800)

Again - the math doesn't check out here.

We gave up a 1st and a 3rd, we got a 2nd and Brown. 2 'players' in, 2 players out.

The players in were Brown and Bolton. The players out is subject to some conjecture but let's give this argument the benefit of the doubt and say its two solid players:

Joe Tryon to address our need at DE and, I dunno, Elijah Molden to backfill for losing Breeland.

So the trade at that point becomes:

Brown, Bolton and about $6 million in cap space (because without Brown we need to bring back Fisher) for Tryon and Molden.

How's this a bad trade again? This version of fisher is WORSE than Brown. By a fair amount. And without Bolten this defense would be fuuuuuuucked even moreso than it already is. Additionally, that $6 million in cap space is almost exactly what it cost to sign Reed and trade for Ingram. Now Reed's disappointed thus far but the book isn't written yet there and at worst he's allowed some rotational depth.

The Chiefs could let Brown walk for a comp pick after this season and not have lost this deal. If they tag him and THEN let him walk for a comp pick, it's a clear win. If they sign him long-term to a reasonable deal and get an above average LT for 5 years, it's a friggen home run.

This deal has essentially zero chance to be a 'bad' trade. It's nothing like the Clark deal (and trust me, I have NO problem calling out Veach for a bad move).

I just cannot understand how people are still upset about this trade.

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 15933850)

Do you even understand the trade? Bolton or Humphrey, or Bolton and Humphrey and no cheap Orlando Brown this year.

Oh, and I broke my rule arguing with an idiot...

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15933812)

Well for one, they aren’t even capable of looking at the alternatives.

Trent Williams has been in an out of the starting lineup.

Eric Fisher has been below average.

There aren’t any stud day 1 rookie LT’s that were available.

Originally Posted by Chargem (Post 15933878)

I will never understand why people cannot remember deals. Funny starting your post talking about the math not adding up, but forgetting the Chiefs traded their 1st, 3rd and 4th 2021 picks and their 5th round pick in 2022 in exchange for the 2nd round pick of the Ravens in 2021, their 6th round pick in 2022 and Orlando Brown.

So sure, when you forget some of the picks we gave up, it was "two in, two out".

The various media outlets at the time basically said value wise, the Ravens 2nd for the Chiefs 3rd, 4th and 2022 pick swap was basically a wash, which is why people use the short hand of "1st round pick for OBJ".

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 15933925)

This is the core issue with criticizing Veach for making the OBJ trade.

He was the best of not great LT options realistically available to the Chiefs this offseason.

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 15933736)

We traded a first round pick for Orlando Brown and Nick Bolton. I think that is worth it easily.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15933746)

I think he’s better than “average” too.

He has a 74.3 grade on PFF. I know it’s PFF, but you don’t get grades like that being trash or even average.

At worst he’s above average, and if his play this year allows us to get him at a discount, I’m not against re-signing him either.

To give you perspective, Eric Fisher has a 63.1.

Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 15933952)

This is a great example of why PFF is garbage, at least for olinemen.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15933954)

Wait, are you under the impression that Eric Fisher is currently playing better football than Orlando Brown?

I’m not a fan of PFF, but i think those grades reflect what you see on the field.