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Titty Meat 06-13-2022 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 16331712)
Do you mean since Kareem Hunt left?
Which still wouldn't be true. Mckinon was good in the post season but bad like a whole combined 200 yards in the regular + post season

Mephistopheles Janx 06-13-2022 01:25 PM
I don't understand the point of this signing TBH but he was highly effective during the playoffs so I'm not mad at it either.

Welcome back JMcK

rtmike 06-13-2022 01:26 PM
Someone will suffer a hang nail and be put on short term ir.

DJ's left nut 06-13-2022 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by KC Hawks (Post 16331604)
Darrel averaged 3.9 ypc. He was not good.
And I believe his expected yards per carry was something like 5.6. He got some of the best, if not the absolute best, run blocking for any RB in the league with over 100 carries.

That guy is AWFUL. One of the worst RBs in football and probably the absolute worst to get the kind of volume he got. The Williams fascination 'round here is bizarre to me.

O.city 06-13-2022 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16331685)
His biggest issue is his lack of speed on the 2nd level. The shiftyness is there. He's shown power too.

The problem is that the holes close on HIM moreso than you'd expect from an NFL back. They close on him fast because he doesn't have the speed to take advantage of the holes before they close.

He's missing a gear. It was something that was overlooked in college. I don't think myself (or anyone really) ever realized that his speed would be THAT much of an issue. No one thought he'd be a home run hitter. But no one thought it'd be so much a hinderance that he couldn't at least make the most out of what's there. If he could do that, there'd be no problem.

Like i said, he's missing that final gear.

He's a 3-speed Muncie when the world has moved on to 10-speed Autos.
I think the problem is he can't find the hole, waits to long for it to open and once he finds it it's shut off.

saphojunkie 06-13-2022 01:36 PM
Go back and watch the super bowl win, and tell me Damien Williams wouldn't be the best back on this team

DJ's left nut 06-13-2022 01:36 PM
So he wasn't dead last - that 'honor' went to Mike Davis at -.76 YPC vs. expected.

But at -.48 YPC vs. his expected value, Williams was AWFUL.

Clyde was in the Najee Harris, Sony Michel, David Montgomery, Zeke Elliott, Khalil Herbert range of merely being disappoinging (-.16; same figure as Harris).

Jones was at -.02 in his own right.

Bottom line is that the closes thing the Chiefs have on their roster to an above average RB is still likely to be Jerick McKinnon. The rest of these guys are JAGS or worse.

Titty Meat 06-13-2022 01:36 PM
Not looking good for CP hero AL Gore he's going to be the odd man out

DJ's left nut 06-13-2022 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 16331749)
Go back and watch the super bowl win, and tell me Damien Williams wouldn't be the best back on this team
30 years old next season - he's probably getting near washed in his own right.

But as I said when we let him walk - the need to dump on Williams to justify the pick of CEH was bothersome to me. Williams was a very good player here who provided an element that was sorely needed last season - speed to the edge and broken field running.

I'm not sure he'd STILL be an upgrade over anybody we have here, but he would've been last year, yes.

DJ's left nut 06-13-2022 01:43 PM
Ugh - 72% of MEH's carries came with light fronts (6 or fewer in the box) and he generated 4.7 YPC in those situations.

Against base packages - 3.2 YPC
Stacked - 2.3 YPC

Clyde really did suck last season despite a lot of things in his favor.

And despite all that, Williams was still worse. 4.2 YPC against light boxes, 3.4 against base anda staggeringly awful 1.5 YPC against heavy fronts. But again, average defenders in the box of 6.2 on the season (so light fronts on average) and still couldn't break 4 yards per carry even with elite run blocking in front of him.

The RB room was embarrassing last year and potentially not much better this year.

BossChief 06-13-2022 01:50 PM
I must have completely deleted Kareem Hunt from my memory.

Titty Meat 06-13-2022 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 16331768)
I must have completely deleted Kareem Hunt from my memory.
Quit smoking weed

BWillie 06-13-2022 02:12 PM
Useful.

BWillie 06-13-2022 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by KC Hawks (Post 16331604)
Darrel averaged 3.9 ypc. He was not good.
Yep.

You've got to be really shitty to avg less than 4.5 ypc in an Andy Reid pass heavy offense with defenses shitting their pants afraid of Patrick Mahomes.

Anytime the Chiefs run the other team is like oh shit we didnt expect that.

DJ's left nut 06-13-2022 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16331800)
Yep.

You've got to be really shitty to avg less than 4.5 ypc in an Andy Reid pass heavy offense with defenses shitting their pants afraid of Patrick Mahomes.

Anytime the Chiefs run the other team is like oh shit we didnt expect that.
70% of his carries came with 6 or fewer in the box, 95% with 7 or fewer.

Still couldn't manage 4 YPC.

Darrel Williams is awful.


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