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the steam 09-07-2022 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by irafreak (Post 16447530)
It appears as though the op wants to remove some of the strategy and just have more action.
That is exactly right. I love watching red zone every Sunday 7 hours of commercial free action, but single games bore me. I literally feel like I'm watching commercials with a smattering of plays in between.

Big 3rd and 4 late in the game. "blue 22 hut HUT!! hut HUT HUT!!" timeout just trying to get them to jump. Commercial. Line up again timeout defense just wanted to see how they line up now the defense wants to talk it over. Commercial. After 7 or 8 idle minutes a play is run. Was his knee down before the ball got to line to gain? Was that ball moving when he we rolled over? Gotta have a look at it. Another commercial. Just gets frustrating and tedious to watch.

40-50 years ago 3 TO's per half probably was the right number. Teams ran the ball about 60% of the time and huddled after every play so the clock melted much faster. QB's weren't in constant communication with the coach through their helmet so sometimes they needed to call TO and talk to the coach. Spiking the ball to stop the clock wasn't allowed. There were no free TO's for replay. Just isn't the case today. All these TO's aren't necessary like they were when the 3TO's per half rule was made.

I know this will never change because it is a business and the max stoppages/ commercial time is what the NFL wants but I can dream

Balto 09-07-2022 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by RedinTexas (Post 16447457)
I really like this idea. I have always hated rules that ask the referees to make a judgement as to whether something happened. For reference, think of the QB "in the grasp" rule, or the rule on whether a receiver "would have landed in bounds if not for the defender." Asking the referees to make judgements like these distract them from officiating penalties like they are supposed to do. Furthermore, if there actually are crooked referees, rules that give them the judgement to determine plays like whether the QB was in the grasp are perfect opportunities to influence the outcome of a game.

Any rule change that takes away judgement calls from the referees and leaves them only with the power to call whether the ball passed the line of scrimmage or not sounds like a great idea to me. This is exactly the kind of rule change that improve the game and reduce the amount of bitching at the refs that occurs in every contest.

ETA - Two really good things are accomplished with that rule change.
1 - The referee is no longer making a determination as to whether there was a receiver in the area. This is highly subjective and can vary wildly depending on who is making the call. The change makes it so the referee is only ruling on whether the ball hit the ground before the line of scrimmage or not and that could be reviewed pretty easily.

2 - We no longer have to sit through determinations of whether the QBs arm was going forward or not. If the ball comes out it's a live ball just as long as it doesn't make it to the line of scrimmage. No more interminable reviews on the QBs arm.

Ok but what about spiking the ball to stop the clock?

htismaqe 09-07-2022 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Balto (Post 16447622)
Ok but what about spiking the ball to stop the clock?
Fumble!

BWillie 09-07-2022 12:22 PM
1. Eliminate roughing the kicker. If you make a reasonable attempt to block the kick you should be able to smoke the kicker.

2. Make pass interference a 15 yard penalty. They call is so often. I really dont know why teams just dont go deep everytime.

htismaqe 09-07-2022 12:29 PM
College football does DPI correctly. The NFL should do it that way.

RedinTexas 09-07-2022 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Balto (Post 16447622)
Ok but what about spiking the ball to stop the clock?
They should be open to allowing this as a special exception or they could go back to what they used to do before that rule was implemented. The QB used to throw the ball way out of bounds and only a few seconds would run off the clock. I never thought they needed a new rule for spiking the ball, but if people like that aspect of the game, I don't think anyone would have a big problem with allowing that exception.

Balto 09-07-2022 12:31 PM
I’d still love to see the NFL take on college OT rules after let’s say it’s still tied after the first OT

RunKC 09-07-2022 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16447650)
College football does DPI correctly. The NFL should do it that way.
I feel like that is accurate but could be take advantage of. What if Mahomes launches a bomb to Hardman and the DB knows he’ll be beat so he just pulls Hardman’s jersey to break up the play?

Bc why not? 50 yard penalty or 15?

Simply Red 09-07-2022 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 16446487)
1) Im ok with this


2) no


3) no


4) not sure about this


5) i kind of agree, but might be difficult to enforce properly


6) definitely needs a look at the rule, live ball is a bit extreme though

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htismaqe 09-07-2022 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16447656)
I feel like that is accurate but could be take advantage of. What if Mahomes launches a bomb to Hardman and the DB knows he’ll be beat so he just pulls Hardman’s jersey to break up the play?

Bc why not? 50 yard penalty or 15?
15 all day, every day.

I hate the way the NFL does DPI

Balto 09-07-2022 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by RedinTexas (Post 16447652)
They should be open to allowing this as a special exception or they could go back to what they used to do before that rule was implemented. The QB used to throw the ball way out of bounds and only a few seconds would run off the clock. I never thought they needed a new rule for spiking the ball, but if people like that aspect of the game, I don't think anyone would have a big problem with allowing that exception.
Could be hard to implement the rule and still keep spiking. Refs would have like an imaginary box that the QB could spike it and it not be a fumble. Then again you could have issues of was he spiking it? Did he fumble a snap and then pick it up and spike it before getting sacked? Just saying you’d be putting judgement calls back into the refs.

Maybe something as simple as you can spike the ball only taking the snap from the center and can not take a step before it’s spiked. Could easily look at a review camera IF it ever was questioned.

Balto 09-07-2022 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16447656)
I feel like that is accurate but could be take advantage of. What if Mahomes launches a bomb to Hardman and the DB knows he’ll be beat so he just pulls Hardman’s jersey to break up the play?

Bc why not? 50 yard penalty or 15?
I agree and I guess that’s where the refs have a judgment call on if the PI was intentional or not.

RedinTexas 09-07-2022 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Balto (Post 16447667)
Could be hard to implement the rule and still keep spiking. Refs would have like an imaginary box that the QB could spike it and it not be a fumble. Then again you could have issues of was he spiking it? Did he fumble a snap and then pick it up and spike it before getting sacked? Just saying you’d be putting judgement calls back into the refs.

Maybe something as simple as you can spike the ball only taking the snap from the center and can not take a step before it’s spiked. Could easily look at a review camera IF it ever was questioned.
There are always some growing pains in implementing new rules, but if there are implementation problems that can't be overcome like some of the things you suggested they could always go back to the old way of chucking it out of bounds. It only uses up a few more seconds than spiking the ball.

the steam 09-07-2022 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16447656)
I feel like that is accurate but could be take advantage of. What if Mahomes launches a bomb to Hardman and the DB knows he’ll be beat so he just pulls Hardman’s jersey to break up the play?

Bc why not? 50 yard penalty or 15?
I don't think I've ever seen that done in college football

RunKC 09-07-2022 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16447665)
15 all day, every day.

I hate the way the NFL does DPI
I agree but I think there should be intentional PI and unintentional PI. If it’s not intentional then sure 15 yards, but if that rule gets set they can’t take advantage.

If that’s the rule and a DB gets beat and purposefully trips, pulls or hinders the WR then I think that should be intentional DPI and be a spot penalty


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