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DJ's left nut 10-24-2022 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 16552490)
Regarding your last large paragraph, Andy has always favored ZB because of the big payoffs it used to yield via cutback + the advantages of boot action for PA.

Then you have the cross screen game that they were wicked with in Philly because of people overflowing to the zone run side.

But when we don't have RBs that can see/make a cutback...

Sorter 10-24-2022 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16490077)
I just have nothing to add to this:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Some added context to this:<br>When the Chiefs run OZ/RPO concept from shotgun the RB&#39;s shoulders turn to the sideline, CEH has never been a start-and-stop player and by the time he can get to the backside, there&#39;s nothing he can do. He couldn&#39;t see the lane until it was too late <a href="https://t.co/aDAkTkmFFW">https://t.co/aDAkTkmFFW</a> <a href="https://t.co/bDCFKpl76N">pic.twitter.com/bDCFKpl76N</a></p>&mdash; Daniel Harms�� (@InHarmsWay19) <a href="https://twitter.com/InHarmsWay19/status/1574406472712310786?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 26, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is not a team that's going to excel by continuing with the RPO/OZ concepts. They need to build a new plane while they're flying it here. This just isn't working.



Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16490077)
I just have nothing to add to this:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Some added context to this:<br>When the Chiefs run OZ/RPO concept from shotgun the RB&#39;s shoulders turn to the sideline, CEH has never been a start-and-stop player and by the time he can get to the backside, there&#39;s nothing he can do. He couldn&#39;t see the lane until it was too late <a href="https://t.co/aDAkTkmFFW">https://t.co/aDAkTkmFFW</a> <a href="https://t.co/bDCFKpl76N">pic.twitter.com/bDCFKpl76N</a></p>&mdash; Daniel Harms�� (@InHarmsWay19) <a href="https://twitter.com/InHarmsWay19/status/1574406472712310786?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 26, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is not a team that's going to excel by continuing with the RPO/OZ concepts. They need to build a new plane while they're flying it here. This just isn't working.

Couple things from this clip:

Chiefs out in 2x2 alignment with 3x1 personnel (TE weak).
Colts in 4 man front with nickel personnel (NB field side), mike walks out a bit to align/wall off #2(Kelce) while still having responsibility for the back. the Boundary EMOLS is in a 9 tech, so you can remove him from people you have to worry about blocking unless he's a freak or your A) read for the RB is ****ed B)Your RB sucks


How the numbers match up:

What this shows is basically our 5 on 3 DL with 1 LB and 1 NCB to deal with (that's why the motion across formation matters, it places a stress on the Mike to honor Kelce as a receiver)
In theory, this is a win. You could even have the #2 field side crack the NB and set up a 1 on 1 with the field side safety or the corner (if everyone is blocked).

What needs to happen from the defensive alignment shown is this(starting from left to right):

-LT needs to help LG on 3 tech then work way up to mike (old school would have been LT cutting the 3tech and LG works up to mike)
-LG blocks 3 tech (see previous sentence for how it used to happen)
-C (uncovered) You get varying thoughts on this but most teach if he's uncovered you help briefly playside before climbing to the second level player (Will in this case)
-RG (HERE'S WHERE THINGS GET SHITTY)
The RG is the cog here. He dictates whether the runner is going to bounce or cut inside. He is supposed to move the 1 tech 3 yards horizontally for the runner to have an ideal view. Doesn't happen every time obviously but thats the goal. What the playside guard on OZ can not do is get ****ing raped.
-RT has the EMLOS and is supposed to carry him enough so the runner has a clear decision of bouncing or cutting.
-#2 WR field side (should crack on the NB or EMLOS although rules have affected this)



So, now lets re post the video DJ linked and watch.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Some added context to this:<br>When the Chiefs run OZ/RPO concept from shotgun the RB&#39;s shoulders turn to the sideline, CEH has never been a start-and-stop player and by the time he can get to the backside, there&#39;s nothing he can do. He couldn&#39;t see the lane until it was too late <a href="https://t.co/aDAkTkmFFW">https://t.co/aDAkTkmFFW</a> <a href="https://t.co/bDCFKpl76N">pic.twitter.com/bDCFKpl76N</a></p>&mdash; Daniel Harms🏈 (@InHarmsWay19) <a href="https://twitter.com/InHarmsWay19/status/1574406472712310786?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 26, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sorter 10-24-2022 09:05 PM

Well, there it is.

C makes a lunging attempt to help with the 1 tech as the RG says "Get ****ed, I'm out of here". (which to be fair, that's how most OZ plays pan out). RT doesn't get out in front and the combination of those two almost kills any chance there is of positive yardage.

In an attempt to not seem like a ****ing curmudgeon, the LG and #2 field side receiver do their jobs, demonstrating that at least some folks on this team think running the ball is important.

Now, Clyde Frog sees his read is ****ed from the absence of horizontal flow on the 1 tech.


What does he do, I wonder? He can:

A) Bounce which is ****ed because the the RT didn't get any flow field side
B) Cut inside immediately because he's a professional and a decisive runner that knows what to do when stuff doesn't go to plan
C) Panic and meltdown like a 3 year old who was informed Pumpkin Patches are closed in January.

I know people are going to give the RG shit for not blocking whoever the ****ing colts player is that comes through but if this play flows correctly, he's blocked. He's not slicing playside to make that tackle (especially in nickel).

Sorter 10-24-2022 09:11 PM

Here's the sad thing.


****ing nobody is running the ball well (and that's how the league has intentionally/unintentionally designed it).

You may get a couple good games here and there from players (and you'll probably get better per game rushing results in the playoffs because players are overselling the stretch) but you're not going to see a **** ton of rushing yards this year. Or next year.


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