Lolz, whatever, man. MVS is our 2, Skrowronek is a 5, but Ben will at least attack the football above his head.

And MVS isn't coming down with footballs a whole lot more often than Stone Hands. What is it, 6%? With more targets, more athleticism, and a much better QB.

You're right; I don't really have anything else to say on the matter. It's pretty simple.

Im not acting like he should be Julio Jones, lol.

No, he's not a possession WR. Agreed.

I agree, he runs a low probability route tree.

I agree, he doesn't have freaky body control.

I'm not asking him to be anything more than what he is. Again, i like MVS. ****, i said, and still believe, he's a better talent than JuJu.

I want MVS on this roster moving forward. Hell, i wanna retain Hardman too.

I think they're fine in their respective roles.

What i'm asking for is someone with the physicality to win contested catches, while still having the speed to challenge vertically that can compliment those guys.

A JuJu that can run?

A Sammy Watkins that can stay healthy?

A George Pickens, even????

I'm not asking for the sun and the moon here.

MY position, is that we need to get more out of JuJu's position.

I think they've been playing the hand they were dealt. New receivers across the board and injuries to the speed guys have altered the looks.

You can't sit here and tell me that what im asking for is too much, when we just passed on what im asking for in the 2nd round.

Most of those guys you are wanting or talked about earlier, well.....they got drafted pretty early.

Mike Williams, etc.

30% success rate on downfield passes. 2 drops on throws past 10 yards, same as MVS. Far fewer yards per route run. Worse success rate. He's undeniably a less effective downfield receiver than MVS.

Y'all just keep remembering the one time someone did something like that and "Hey, Courtland Sutton can do it!!"

So can MVS. He has. He doesn't do it with regularity because it simply doesn't get DONE with regularity. Sutton ain't doing it. Williams isn't. FFS, Demarcus Robinson sure as SHIT wasn't doing it.

What you're asking is for MVS to be a downfield threat AND JJSS. That ain't who he is. We specifically went out there and got 'niche' weapons instead of trying to find more jack of all trade players.

MVS, for what he does and what he's been ASKED to do, has been damn good at it here. But because he's not out there Mossing dudes on 40 yard throws downfield with regularity, you want to act like he's quitting on plays. He's not.

The Chiefs obviously don't want one of those guys. So maybe you should move on?

I don't disagree with any of this.

I'm taking exception only to this idea that he's not getting those balls because he's not trying. And that he 'just needs to go get those balls' as though there's just some switch to flip.

There isn't.

Oh, and then there's the idea that we'd be better off with Dropmarcus or Skrownwhatever because 'he catches balls above his head' or whatever other such nonsense is being spewed.

The hyperbole surrounding MVS is just ridiculous.

I don’t know about holding back. However, not everyone has been healthy. Hardman adds an extra element to this team’s offense. We haven’t scored 40 since he was on IR. With him and Tony on this team, I think we will see an offense firing on all cylinders.

Also, there was a very strong sense that Andy and company were keeping a lot of things under wraps over the past several weeks. None of the teams we faced after Cincy needed a particularly genius game plan so it seems that, ‘Arctic Circle’ aside, the play calling was largely vanilla and predictable.

What is far more interesting is that this seems to be the best defense of the Mahomes’ era. Since the bye, our defense has been ranked 12 in DVOA. Mahomes doesn’t need a top 10 defense like Brady got. He just needs someone that is competent. Our D just held LV to 13 points and yeah, it’s Stidham. But they put 34 points on the #1 defense the week before. Plus, it’s the NFL. You aren’t playing on an NFL team unless you’re really good at football.

This team goes through the playoffs with the same precision and execution that we saw Saturday and we will win the SB.

I think they probably do, actually.

They just couldn't get it this year.

I think this season they allocated scarce resources to particular niche skills in an attempt to re-build the position on the cheap.

Then they flat missed with the Moore pick.

But I think they'll keep shooting their shot and they WILL try to find a larger, more toolsy Z wide receiver.

Because they aren't using JJSS at ALL like Reid has ever used an X receiver. And I don't believe they drafted Moore expecting him to ever be like that. They just took what was in front of them.

Again, i'm high on MVS. I like MVS. I think he's the most capable WR on the roster outside of Toney.

I'm not asking MVS to be anything more than he is. Im also not in denial about what he isn't.

His hands are somewhat shaky, a reputation he's had long before KC, and has shown itself at times in KC, and he's not a particularly physical player.

No, i don't think he's "Quitting" on plays, and have never said that.

He he has some holes in his game. And that's fine. He's a nice #2. But he's not going to out jump someone. He's not gonna out position a guy, whether that be due to body control or strength. He's not gonna wrestle a 50/50 ball away from a DB. That's the part of his game that's missing.

And that's ok! Because we should be able to get a guy opposite of him that CAN.

Yeah - we're cool.

We (I?) were speaking past each other. My bad.

I've never said that MVS quits on plays. But he doesn't try to make plays using his physical gifts, in particular his size and length nearly often enough. It has happened, which is great, but it's pretty inconsistent in his case, and that's frustrating when there are WRs out there with the same basic gifts doing more with them on a regular basis.

End of rant.

He's also throwing to a new crew, sans Hardman.

Considering they keep drafting and signing lesser versions ever since Sammy Watkins, yeah i'd say your statement is complete bullshit.

Again.....a JuJu that can run. AKA Sammy Watkins.