Do yourself a favor - go look at the top 5 WRs in the NFL last season, and see if you notice anything.

*Edit - in case you don't want to, you'll see that ONE of the top five was a first round pick, Justin Jefferson.

So this idea that they're not going after playmakers and are ok with JAGS is a load of hooey.

No matter how much you explain it to this reerun, he's going to stick his fingers in his ears and continue to regurgitate these stupid talking points.

"We are putting our first and second priority on building the defense"

Only somebody completely ignoring reality could come to this conclusion. Their two biggest FA signings over the last 3 years have been a G and a T. Like you said, 3 day 2 picks on WR over the last two offseasons. It's nonsensical.

3 played for unbalanced, bottom-10 defensive teams with average-to-poor QB play, plus poor coaching to bot

Stefon Diggs played for a rookie OC and a team decimated by injury

AJ Brown went to the SB and went 96 yards and a TD.

I am not saying all our guys are JAGS right now. We don’t know that yet. I do feel as I’m sure we all do that our Tackle situation while necessary is a little scary.

I am saying we have a history of getting guys who became JAGs. That isn’t speculation. That is known. We have downright failed to replace fisher OR schwartz. In 5 years we have not found a single WR in the draft who can be Sammy Watkins let alone tyreek. Toney was a great get but settling for guys like Mvs and juju is not an ideal path and I hate the narrative that some have set thar as a fine bar to reach.

Unless you’re sugarcoating it the truth is mahomes has elevated JAG talent the past few years. Instead of celebrating this and acting like this is the right approach, how about we give this guy something to work with. Either we’re aggressive enough but have to do WAY better at hitting with what we have. Or we haven’t emphasize it enough.

Interesting observations, but not the common factor I was trying to get across. But since you pointed these factoids out:.

Perhaps bottom 10 defense is not the best idea. Maybe beefing up the defense, especially if you are going young at WR, that might be sensible. Just my thought.

Diggs plays for the Bills, who we're supposed to be terrified of.

AJ Brown, who was a second round pick, went for 96 and a TD. He's pretty good, huh?

By the way, MVS went for 116 and a TD in the previous game. But who's counting?

We've invested a substantial amount in WR's. It's just been very recent, so everyone is freaking out because there's no body of work yet.

BUF beat KC in the regular season in 2022, with a rookie OC. And it could've been much worse than a 4-point loss, luckily they fumbled the ball inside our 20-yd line.

I don't think you want to compare AJ Brown and MVS side-by-side.

One guy was 4th among all WRs in total receiving yards, the other is 55th.

One was tied for 3rd among all WRs in receiving TDs (11), the other 111th, with 2.

One caught 59 1st downs for 10th overall, the other caught just 32 for 55th overall.

AJ Brown is a real top tier WR, MVS is . . . not.



Oh, so where were you going then? I just took a shot in the dark.

But here’s the thing. At every stretch we have waited for a crisis to finally address. Of course you have to throw a ton of resources when you need an entire WR room with 4 games who would actually be used.

We’re not plugging in holes. We’re fixing ENTIRE offensive units. We wait for craters and then we react by throwing lots of stuff at it. We’d be in a different spot if we didn’t wait 5 years to develop a single WR. We maybe couldve mitigated the Super Bowl disaster if we hadn’t ignored the interior OL for years. And now we are talking about a bandaid left tackle and shifting the LT we signed to play RT.

AJ Brown, second round pick.

The argument is that The Chiefs are complacent with JAG receivers. The counter argument is, and I think you're well aware and are just being a dick about it, is that we have spent two second round picks and a third rounder (on Toney, a 2nd year first round pick).

The argument that they're content with JAGS because we didn't spend a mint on a market value #1 or first round pick(s) when reality is that the top receivers in the league come from all over the place in the draft.

Brown, Adams, Hill, Diggs, all statistically top five, all from rounds other than the first.

The Chiefs are not 'complacent' or 'content with JAGS'. This is a bunch of bullshit.

We have a young corps, and unproven. You want to talk about that, cool. You want to dismiss them as JAGS, **** off. It's dishonest, and you know it.

When you have Hill, and you drafted Hardman, then other units were more in need, so the WR room got late round picks and reclamation projects.

It's a matter of resources. Other areas were in more urgent need. Now, Hardman never really developed, and if you want to bitch about that, that's fine. He is pretty much the same guy as the day he was drafted. Whatever. DK Metcalf, blah, blah.

Fisher and Schwartz both had career altering/ending injuries. The interior of the line wasn't strong. So that was priority. If you think that was a mistake, then I don't know what to tell you.

The defense was on a downward trajectory, and if you think you'd rather need to score 40 every game to win, I also don't know what to tell you. It's still football, for ****'s sake.

You keep complaining about the secondary and how much they're throwing at it, but it's mostly been late round picks. I mean, it's a first, a second, and then nothing higher than a 4th. You really think those 7th round picks were going to land us a stud WR?

You said the LB corps was a problem, but now we're investing too heavily on the defense?

Can you agree with YOURSELF on anything other than that the WR corps is a bunch of JAGS? Because that's the only consistent point I see you make, and I find that ridiculous in May, because we have Toney and Skyy in year two and Rice in year one but all are first or second round picks. So no, they're not proven producers, but claiming they're JAGS right now is bullshit.

If you think somehow that you can address areas of need NOW and predict things like Fisher and Schwartz both shooting shit at the same time, then maybe you should open a psychic hotline.

Well, I don't think I said that KC is complacent with JAG WRs. I think i said that we have a group of WRs comprised of unknowns and some JAGs, MVS included in the latter, due to his exceptional speed.



And I'm not trying to be a dick about it, if i were, I'd be calling you a bunch of names, shitting on your posts, etc. Which I clearly have not done.

I'm just advocating for a different approach than the one you're advocating. mostly politely. And you know why.

And I've been pretty positive about the Rice pick. I've just been cautious about predicting how well he'll perform in 2023, after personally completely missing the mark with Skyy.

Chiefzilla's argument is that they're complacent. You seemed to be harping in on his side of the argument, and I might've assumed so due to the Dhop thing. So if not, I apologize.

It's a young WR corps. It's smart to do this while Kelce is still Kelce. If two of the three younguns pan out, we'll be golden. If ONE pans out, we'll be okay. Hell, if none of them pan out, we'll manage, it just won't be spectacular.

I'd put good odds on two of three.

As for Zilla's argument that they don't address problems until they're a problem, well, I think that's kind of absurd; filling an NFL roster is playing whack-a-mole, pretty much, and Veach has done a pretty damned good job.
Not perfect, no-but better than almost anyone else.

I 'splained what I was doing in the DHOp thread pretty early, we even had a little laugh about it. Btw, technically I can keep that up until June 1.:evil:



I wasn't bandwagon-ing on zilla's post; I was responding to one part of your post. Just for fun. Contextually, the hockey game was kind of boring until right after my response.

I think their plan is to have no plan at all. Or in other words, they change it often and stay multiple. If the personnel changes around Mahomes then the team isn’t predictable. Even the talent of tackles is changing. Teams that draft to beat the chiefs will be screwed because we stay winning and change the formula often.


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And there you go. Thank you for making my point for me. That we deprioritize needs on offense. Probably because we just expect Reid and mahomes to carry us.

Our interior OL was a disaster for several years. But we were desperate to fix our defense so we let mahomes get rolled for several years. We knew Wylie was shit for 2 years. But we had to fix our Defense. The minute Watkins became unreliable WR became a need - we threw one damn high-ish pick in FIVE YEARS for a position where you can use 3 or 4 guys and even if you think we tried, every single option failed. As in, could barely get a one year contract with another team.

the fact that you don’t think it was a need even back then just means you don’t think these positions are very important. Hence the point about being complacent. We are ok with it because mahomes can elevate the talent.

There's only so many draft picks to go around my dude. While Veach is one of, if not the best, GM in the NFL he isn't guaranteed to hit on all of them. There are going to be busts. It's a fact of life. We are going to use our draft pics to address the positions of need, if we can, depending on how the board falls. Sometimes it's not going to line up, sometimes we have to go a different direction.

Same thing with FA. There's a salary cap, it's not Madden. We put out the biggest fires first and then worry about the rest. Our team prior to Veach was not deep. We had a few great players and a ton of JAG's. We are turning over the roster as our draft picks and salary cap allow us. These 1 and 2 year deals are buying us time for our draft picks to actually develop, or not.

I keep reading about our lack of receivers in this thread. Like, really? Isn't Reid's offense notoriously difficult to learn and master, due to each receiver needing to know ALL of the responsibilities? Imagine having to learn all of that, plus having to learn to play at an NFL level, and study film. It's a hell of a learning curve. Be patient, we've gotten to 3 of the last 4 Super Bowls and won two of them. I think what we are doing is ok and we need to have a little faith in the process. It seems to be working.