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Titty Meat 01-16-2025 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17912417)
Oh god he's one those "my system will make anyone good!" Coaches.

Which means when his team blows because he can't get Aiden O'Connell to be Jared Goff and no point in his brain will it dawn on him that Goff is surrounded by a bunch of very high draft picks. It's all the system baby.

Yeah I hope they get him. Great OC but has never been a HC and thinks he can make any QB work in his system is a recipe for failure. I hope they get him I love when that fan base gets pumped only to be crushed. I remember they thought they were something when they traded for Adams LMAO

staylor26 01-16-2025 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17912613)
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Umm the entire point relies on the assumption that he's going there and it's because of Brady's influence...

tredadda 01-16-2025 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SHOWTIME (Post 17912501)
maybe the biggest mistake of his life...

Until he goes to LV and then that will be the biggest mistake. They don’t have a lot of talent at the moment and they will be competing against one of the greatest HCs ever along with two really good ones. That’s gonna be a huge hill to climb and I am genuinely curious about how long he would get to make it work.

tredadda 01-16-2025 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SHOWTIME (Post 17912504)
Interesting stuff from Schefter here....makes me think that Johnson is not as smart as we think. The guy wanted Sam Howell over Jayden....ROFL

https://www.raidersbeat.com/schefter...of-2024-draft/

I am by no means defending Johnson here, but to think that Jayden would be this good this quickly is probably a product of hindsight.

jdubya 01-16-2025 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17912509)
You conveniently left out the fact they don't have a QB and don't really have a good path to get one.

But hey Sam Howell could probably be available.

I didn’t feel I needed to state the obvious, sorry ;)

The owner

Lack of QB

Coaching

Have been the constant weakness of the Raiders for over 20 years now

St. Patty's Fire 01-16-2025 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by jdubya (Post 17912666)
I didn’t feel I needed to state the obvious, sorry ;)

The owner

Lack of QB

Coaching

Have been the constant weakness of the Raiders for over 20 years now

very curious to see what impact brady has on the raiders if he's gonna be involved like he's been recently

i mean if he can help them get ben johnson i'd say that's a good sign for what brady can do

Sassy Squatch 01-16-2025 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SHOWTIME (Post 17912504)
Interesting stuff from Schefter here....makes me think that Johnson is not as smart as we think. The guy wanted Sam Howell over Jayden....ROFL

https://www.raidersbeat.com/schefter...of-2024-draft/

Oh God. If that's actually true you cannot give him control of personnel.

St. Patty's Fire 01-16-2025 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SHOWTIME (Post 17912504)
Interesting stuff from Schefter here....makes me think that Johnson is not as smart as we think. The guy wanted Sam Howell over Jayden....ROFL

https://www.raidersbeat.com/schefter...of-2024-draft/

if this is true actual yikes

RunKC 01-16-2025 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17912638)
Umm the entire point relies on the assumption that he's going there and it's because of Brady's influence...

No it’s that he didn’t even consider LV until Brady talked to his agent and fired Telesco. Brady’s influence is getting him in the door and possibly hired. A huge step up from where they were.

I do agree the guy is gonna have a rough go of it if he takes the job

FloridaMan88 01-16-2025 12:54 PM

Remembering how Ben Johnson dicked around Washington last year… and it turns out he may have missed out on a great available HC opportunity… coaching Jayden Daniels, a historic franchise coming back to life under new ownership, etc.

It would be fitting if Washington knocks him out of the playoffs this weekend.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ben Johnson&#39;s agent shared his plans to stay in Detroit by texting Washington officials while the Commanders’ group was on a flight to Michigan.<br><br>League sources shared one unified sentiment: The Commanders got screwed, write <a href="https://twitter.com/BenStandig?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BenStandig</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/DMRussini?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DMRussini</a>.<a href="https://t.co/UVNwAYAyFA">https://t.co/UVNwAYAyFA</a> <a href="https://t.co/I30oolPaRY">pic.twitter.com/I30oolPaRY</a></p>&mdash; The Athletic (@TheAthletic) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/status/1754524202177331623?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

htismaqe 01-16-2025 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by FloridaMan88 (Post 17912928)
Remembering how Ben Johnson dicked around Washington last year… and it turns out he may have missed out on a great available HC opportunity… coaching Jayden Daniels, a historic franchise coming back to life under new ownership, etc.

It would be fitting if Washington knocks him out of the playoffs this weekend.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ben Johnson&#39;s agent shared his plans to stay in Detroit by texting Washington officials while the Commanders’ group was on a flight to Michigan.<br><br>League sources shared one unified sentiment: The Commanders got screwed, write <a href="https://twitter.com/BenStandig?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BenStandig</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/DMRussini?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DMRussini</a>.<a href="https://t.co/UVNwAYAyFA">https://t.co/UVNwAYAyFA</a> <a href="https://t.co/I30oolPaRY">pic.twitter.com/I30oolPaRY</a></p>&mdash; The Athletic (@TheAthletic) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/status/1754524202177331623?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I would bet a large amount of money that several teams don't want to deal with him after last year. The Raiders may be one of his only chances.

kccrow 01-16-2025 02:46 PM

So we're judging this guys credibility as a coach for 1) not wanting Jayden Daniels (a lot of people thought he might be a bit of a 1-year wonder and that he was too thin) and 2) wanting a say in personnel decisions (of which Andy Reid has some input here so...)?

I'm not buying into the bullshit. He has options outside of LV and he doesn't have to take a one of them this year either.

RealSNR 01-16-2025 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17913133)
So we're judging this guys credibility as a coach for 1) not wanting Jayden Daniels (a lot of people thought he might be a bit of a 1-year wonder and that he was too thin) and 2) wanting a say in personnel decisions (of which Andy Reid has some input here so...)?

I'm not buying into the bullshit. He has options outside of LV and he doesn't have to take a one of them this year either.


I’m not predicting his failure, but he still hasn’t proven that he’ll be anything more than a Mike Martz clone.

Hell, we don’t know if he’s anything more than an Adam Gase clone.

The resume is a starting point and nothing more. And if the guy is making demands and turning down offers from multiple teams, that’s acting awfully big for his britches. He would be wise to remember that he’s nothing until he proves himself

St. Patty's Fire 01-16-2025 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17913153)
I’m not predicting his failure, but he still hasn’t proven that he’ll be anything more than a Mike Martz clone.

Hell, we don’t know if he’s anything more than an Adam Gase clone.

The resume is a starting point and nothing more. And if the guy is making demands and turning down offers from multiple teams, that’s acting awfully big for his britches. He would be wise to remember that he’s nothing until he proves himself

eh, adam gase got jobs cuz he was butt buddies with peyton. johnson turned a guy who was meh into a key cog of a well oiled machine. he has more actual cred than Gase IMO

the daniels thing is really bad though. not only that but it implies he’d essentially be choosing howell over not just daniels, but penix, nix, and maye. 3 guys all clearly better than sam howell immediately. but idk what to believe rn, i imagine theres some gamesmanship to some of this shit coming out rn

htismaqe 01-16-2025 03:47 PM

Goff isn't much better in Detroit than he was in LA. In fact two of his top 3 scoring season were as a Ram. I don't think Johnson did THAT much.


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