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How are we feeling about our O-Line? (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=357448)

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 17997732)

the point is for a team constantly fighting for a championship we should not be going into each season with questions at left tackle, which is one of the most important offensive positions.

The point is that the team IS constantly fighting for a championship. EVERY YEAR. And that's EXACTLY why we're in this position.

This means that EVERY year KC drafts #31 or #32. This means that DRAFTING a LT means a PROJECT. The problem is, they kind of have to play to DEVELOP.

And that's the catch-22 there. You can't afford the growing pains because you're fighting for a championship EVERY year.

OBJ had an inflated sense of self-worth. He wanted more than his market value, Veach wouldn't go that far and he eventually signed for LESS in Cincinnati out of spite.

Now, maybe you think Veach should have just given him whatever he wanted, but I think that sets a shitty precedent.

We won a Super Bowl with Smith since then. Burrow's missed an entire season to injury. So I guess maybe Cincinnati's approach to the offensive line hasn't been so great, right? Burrow's missed almost two entire seasons. In either of THOSE off-seasons, Cinci could have probably drafted a legit LT. We don't have seasons with shitty records, so we don't really have that option.

Let's break this response down.

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 17997732)

It isn't crickets I think it's more about the fact that this has been an issue going into most seasons since Veach has been here,

Most?
2018 - no question, Eric Fisher
2019 - no question, Eric Fisher
2020 - no question, Eric Fisher (blows his Achilles, career over, in AFC championship game)
2021 - no question, traded 1st round pick for Orlando Brown after trying to make Trent Williams the highest paid T in the league.
2022 - no question, Orlando Brown
2023 - question, get through season with Donovan Smith
2024 - questions, try to cover position with two young players. Did not develop quickly enough/work

So really, you can say - at most - they have had TWO seasons with questions at the LT spot. And really, only one of those was a "well, we'll see what sticks" year.

2/7 or 1/7... neither is "most."

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 17997732)

and then we basically allowed OBJ to walk, and no matter what anyone says he was in fact serviceable.

He WAS serviceable. For sure. The Chiefs offered him a lot of money and a deal on par with/better than the one he actually signed. (And even that deal was more than many were comfortable with).

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 17997732)

So then we go into this last year knowing we don't have a true answer at left tackle because Kinglsey sucks and Wanya sucks too.

But ok let's do it anyway.

Hindsight is a powerful evaluation tool, unfortunately unavailable to everyone except Doc Brown, Marty McFly, and occasionally Biff Tannen.

They had two young players with the physical tools they like at LT. They tried to get through the season and let them develop. It didn't work. Yes, it was a risk. But as pointed out, when you are drafting where the Chiefs are, and great LTs rarely make it to true free agency, it's a tough spot.

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 17997732)

So this year we get Moore and move Kingsley to guard (if that is what is gonna happen). And maybe that pans out, but the point is for a team constantly fighting for a championship we should not be going into each season with questions at left tackle, which is one of the most important offensive positions.

As pointed out above, they have not been going into most seasons with questions at LT.

They spent a decent chunk on Moore to try and fix LT. We don't know what the rest of the plan is. Is there another depth veteran signing coming (Cam Robinson? Jedrick Wills? D.J. Humphries?)? Will they spend another draft pick on a player at that position?

Too soon to know and evaluate. Again, unless you're Biff Tannen.

It's easy to say "FIX IT VEACH." It is quite another to, actually, fix it.

So that's what is up, Biff.

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Originally Posted by FloridaMan88 (Post 17997487)

Pat Kirwan on NFL Radio said the same thing... that the Chiefs might still have interest in signing Cam Robinson, even after signing Moore.

Maybe if Robinson's market collapses.

We need an emergency tackle in case of injury. Wouldn't be opposed to this at all.

Concerned about the left side. I think Moore will have similar problems with speed rushers that we got used to last year. Unfortunately, as of now, there will be a second year player next to Moore so that amplifies the issue. Also a bit unnerving that we’re a Moore injury away from Kingsley and Wanya playing next to each other.

Concerns with Taylor are also still prevalent.

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Originally Posted by Delano (Post 17997868)

Regarding LT depth I am 100% with you, this is why I think re-signing Humphries makes sense, but would the price be right. I would think Humphries could be back up for both the LT & RT positions. Morris I would only want to see at guard from this point on

I feel better but Veach has got to add another piece or two for insurance. Teams like Denver and Buffalo are stacking their defenses because they see what too much pressure on Patrick causes. left side suspect.

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Originally Posted by saltydd5 (Post 17997993)

We need a great pass blocking TE as well to counter this, Gronkowski was a beast as a blocker

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Originally Posted by Delano (Post 17997868)

I wonder if some of Taylor issues get cleaned up with a better left side. Mahomes won’t drift to Taylor as much, which happened often.

Get all these guys in camp. Andy Heck will solve all concerns

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 17998067)

Get all these guys in camp. Andy Heck will solve all concerns

lol Heck is overrated as a oline coach as is. He has one less All pro player on the Oline now. We’re ****ed! He’s the equivalent of Bob Sutton when half his units need to be all pros or probowlers to be successful

Jawaan Taylor with the second highest cap # on the team at $27 million.

One more year.

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17997846)

Let's break this response down.

Most?
2018 - no question, Eric Fisher
2019 - no question, Eric Fisher
2020 - no question, Eric Fisher (blows his Achilles, career over, in AFC championship game)
2021 - no question, traded 1st round pick for Orlando Brown after trying to make Trent Williams the highest paid T in the league.
2022 - no question, Orlando Brown
2023 - question, get through season with Donovan Smith
2024 - questions, try to cover position with two young players. Did not develop quickly enough/work

So really, you can say - at most - they have had TWO seasons with questions at the LT spot. And really, only one of those was a "well, we'll see what sticks" year.

2/7 or 1/7... neither is "most."

He WAS serviceable. For sure. The Chiefs offered him a lot of money and a deal on par with/better than the one he actually signed. (And even that deal was more than many were comfortable with).

Hindsight is a powerful evaluation tool, unfortunately unavailable to everyone except Doc Brown, Marty McFly, and occasionally Biff Tannen.

They had two young players with the physical tools they like at LT. They tried to get through the season and let them develop. It didn't work. Yes, it was a risk. But as pointed out, when you are drafting where the Chiefs are, and great LTs rarely make it to true free agency, it's a tough spot.

As pointed out above, they have not been going into most seasons with questions at LT.

They spent a decent chunk on Moore to try and fix LT. We don't know what the rest of the plan is. Is there another depth veteran signing coming (Cam Robinson? Jedrick Wills? D.J. Humphries?)? Will they spend another draft pick on a player at that position?

Too soon to know and evaluate. Again, unless you're Biff Tannen.

It's easy to say "FIX IT VEACH." It is quite another to, actually, fix it.

So that's what is up, Biff.

Love the Biff Tannen reference
“What are you looking at, butthead?”

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Originally Posted by FloridaMan88 (Post 17998098)

Jawaan Taylor with the second highest cap # on the team at $27 million.

One more year.

What's the over/under on his penalties taken matching his cap total in 2025?

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 17997732)

it's more about the fact that this has been an issue going into most seasons since Veach has been here,a

The fact that you actually said this about the BEST GM in the NFL says all I need to know about you.

IN VEACH I TRUST.

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17997752)

I think that Veach definitely has his eyes on someone in the draft. This move screams temporary fix, and I applaud it, and he's going to make damned sure we end up two-deep at the position.

So last 2 drafts they have spent high picks on guys that they thought could play tackle. For various reasons, both came up short last year.

They also kept another guy on the active roster, because they thought too highly of him to risk. There is a non-zero chance their future plans include Ethan Driscoll at LT.

Terrifying thought as it is, 😳 how do they develop him without playing time? I see no signs they think of him as guard. That means it is tackle or bust for the big kid.