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smithandrew051 03-15-2025 09:39 PM

If healthy, WR is better than last year. Considerably.

RB is the same and we haven’t had the draft yet. Expect an improvement.

TE is the same, but I’d expect Kelce to be in better shape.

C to RT is the same. LG should be better than Caliendo. LT should be better than Thuney.

DL is worse right now, since we don’t have Omenihu or Wharton. A heavy DL draft could change things.

LB is the same.

Safety is slightly worse, but Hicks improving in year 2 makes it likely at least as good. Probably better.

Corner is better.

Special teams are the same.

So in the draft, I’d expect 2-3 picks on the DL, a RB, a WR, and 2 DBs. The other pick or two would likely be a developmental OT and a LB.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-16-2025 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 18000256)
If healthy, WR is better than last year. Considerably.

RB is the same and we haven’t had the draft yet. Expect an improvement.

TE is the same, but I’d expect Kelce to be in better shape.

C to RT is the same. LG should be better than Caliendo. LT should be better than Thuney.

DL is worse right now, since we don’t have Omenihu or Wharton. A heavy DL draft could change things.

LB is the same.

Safety is slightly worse, but Hicks improving in year 2 makes it likely at least as good. Probably better.

Corner is better.

Special teams are the same.

So in the draft, I’d expect 2-3 picks on the DL, a RB, a WR, and 2 DBs. The other pick or two would likely be a developmental OT and a LB.

We’re looking through the same lens and it’s the right prescription IMHO.

I have high expectations for where this offense is going. To what you said about the WRs, it’s a matter of can we get something similar to our health luck in 2018-2023, or do we get another 2024?

The odds of another 2024 are next to none, but there’s nothing that says it won’t be worse than some of the prior years still.

But if and when it’s the full trio of WRs, the added tools at RB, and hopefully a left tackle who doesn’t ever let a pass rusher destroy the gameplan… expectations are very high.

There’s a fine tipping point there where once an offense’s skill personnel gets to a certain level, it puts defenses on their heels in a way that even helps the offensive line. That’s where we have to aspire to be.

Quite simply, can you dominate certain defensive game plans with the speed of Worthy and Brown, some with the easy button that is Rashee Rice, can you use Kelce and Gray in a way that isn’t overkill but also lets them thrive, do you bring in that final piece to the RB room that allows all those guys to survive a 20-game season

One guy can make a bigger difference than people realize. Having Rashee Rice in those playoff games as the key cog not only makes us way harder to defend but it also makes life easier on the surrounding cast. He catches a couple slants for first downs early in the SB, and a game like that can play out completely different because you’re putting the defense more on their heels.

Rausch 03-16-2025 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 18000320)
We’re looking through the same lens and it’s the right prescription IMHO.

I have high expectations for where this offense is going. To what you said about the WRs, it’s a matter of can we get something similar to our health luck in 2018-2023, or do we get another 2024?

The odds of another 2024 are next to none, but there’s nothing that says it won’t be worse than some of the prior years still.

But if and when it’s the full trio of WRs, the added tools at RB, and hopefully a left tackle who doesn’t ever let a pass rusher destroy the gameplan… expectations are very high.

The WR group is the same group that couldn't get open in the SB vs. a stagnant defense that provided no mystery or change ups. Worthy got open, but that was it. No one got open fast enough shallow or intermediate to consistently move the offense.

And I'm not, at all, a believer in our new LT. We've got some evidence that he doesn't get pushed around and bullied at LT but also has limited athleticism and gets beat the same way Brown did. So, not really a solution but not a horrible disaster either. Just, put simply, not good enough.

This needs to be a good draft. I love the CB signing and with a healthy Watson and McDuffie that's likely to evolve into a shut down unit. Safety will take a step back but CB will take a huge step forward if McDuffie is primarily in the slot. Overall I think the defense is better this year. Hicks play will go a long way in determining that.

If we try and build the offense on quicker routes and delivering the football like we did vs. the Texans we could be very successful. Run the football with an even better room than last year and a younger O line. Overpaying for Tunsil would have bought us 3 years to solve the LT position until someone worth trading up for was in the draft. We could have done that much cheaper than we did with Brown but passed for some reason.

Once again LT play will determine our ceiling.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-16-2025 09:33 AM

Andy Reid’s been trying to tell us for a month that he blames the SB primarily on there not being enough threat in the run game.

Kinda checks out when you see the way Philly’s front pinned their ears back and didn’t respect the possibility of runs at all.

Some of that’s on Andy no doubt, but the personnel was the personnel and Caliendo tanked a lot of our run blocking. When you’re getting that kind of blocking, you need a back that can create explosive runs on his own — we didn’t have that whatsoever with where Pacheco was in recovery.

Just don’t be shocked if and when KC takes RB before pick 66.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-16-2025 09:41 AM

Let’s keep it real on the LT thing and not go full CP.

A bad block here or there, which Orlando Brown was prone to do, is NOT what set this offense back in any demonstrable way nor did that make Mahomes play with happy feet.

It was a game like Cincy or Vegas last year, where the LT could not block the edge whatsoever. Games where if Mahomes held it for 3 seconds he was getting hit 80+% of the time.

That’s the shit that cost us big time and had a domino effect week upon week.

So if you’re telling me Jaylon Moore is going to lose like Orlando Brown Jr. did? Sign me up yesterday. That’s not a problem. The no-hitters, the left tackle looking like he should play in the UFL — that’s what we can’t have for 15.

RunKC 03-16-2025 10:11 AM

The Chiefs offense fell apart without this guy. He was the new Kelce. On the way to a top 10 WR season. And we replaced him with slow ass Hopkins. Even with Rashee back we still need to add to the WR room.

DL, RB and WR. That should be our first 4 picks IMO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;I miss him&quot;<br><br>but it&#39;s just weeks 1-3 Rashee Rice <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/zdhwrS3Av2">pic.twitter.com/zdhwrS3Av2</a></p>&mdash; Price Carter (@priceacarter) <a href="https://twitter.com/priceacarter/status/1863972562977411354?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 3, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

MahomesMagic 03-16-2025 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 18000322)
The WR group is the same group that couldn't get open in the SB vs. a stagnant defense that provided no mystery or change ups. Worthy got open, but that was it. No one got open fast enough shallow or intermediate to consistently move the offense.

And I'm not, at all, a believer in our new LT. We've got some evidence that he doesn't get pushed around and bullied at LT but also has limited athleticism and gets beat the same way Brown did. So, not really a solution but not a horrible disaster either. Just, put simply, not good enough.

This needs to be a good draft. I love the CB signing and with a healthy Watson and McDuffie that's likely to evolve into a shut down unit. Safety will take a step back but CB will take a huge step forward if McDuffie is primarily in the slot. Overall I think the defense is better this year. Hicks play will go a long way in determining that.

If we try and build the offense on quicker routes and delivering the football like we did vs. the Texans we could be very successful. Run the football with an even better room than last year and a younger O line. Overpaying for Tunsil would have bought us 3 years to solve the LT position until someone worth trading up for was in the draft. We could have done that much cheaper than we did with Brown but passed for some reason.

Once again LT play will determine our ceiling.



The Philly defense knew our playbook as well as our WR's did.

No chance to get open when the other team is running your routes for you.

Sassy Squatch 03-16-2025 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18000351)
The Chiefs offense fell apart without this guy. He was the new Kelce. On the way to a top 10 WR season. And we replaced him with slow ass Hopkins. Even with Rashee back we still need to add to the WR room.

DL, RB and WR. That should be our first 4 picks IMO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;I miss him&quot;<br><br>but it&#39;s just weeks 1-3 Rashee Rice <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/zdhwrS3Av2">pic.twitter.com/zdhwrS3Av2</a></p>&mdash; Price Carter (@priceacarter) <a href="https://twitter.com/priceacarter/status/1863972562977411354?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 3, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Huh? Offense and Mahomes were ****ing horrible with Rice this season. Threw his 5th interception of the season on the play Rice got hurt. It probably would've gotten better but to say it fell apart after Rice went down just isn't true.

Sassy Squatch 03-16-2025 02:57 PM

Suamataia getting ****ed up by Hendrickson was the catalyst for Mahomes and the offense struggling. Didn't trust his blindside after that and it was obvious.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-16-2025 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 18000464)
Suamataia getting ****ed up by Hendrickson was the catalyst for Mahomes and the offense struggling. Didn't trust his blindside after that and it was obvious.

Yeah.

And to the Rice point — I think early in the year, Mahomes, because of the LT issue, losing Hollywood after a strong camp, and Kelce taking a visible step or two back… that led him to lean on Rice like a crutch. It was overkill.

But I think it’s safe to say now that because Brown is back, because Worthy has developed into a truly good WR, adding Rice back into that mix only means good things.

No one needs force-fed. Just keep the f’n chains moving. And it’s why I think the early draft pick at RB is coming too — because even when all these WRs are somehow covered or facing conservative defenses, Reid is going to want a quick killer in the passing game out of the backfield.

Mahomes getting the ball out in under 2.5 seconds is the best quarterback the sport has ever seen.

RunKC 03-16-2025 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17998267)
LMAO

We were so ****ing slow and old on offense last year. We're clearly going to be much better once we draft a RB and get Rashee back. I don't know what Moore's ceiling is but he's an obvious upgrade over the shit we had at LT. Zero doubt.

It’s impossible for a QB to succeed when a defense can get historic level pressure with only 4 up front and drop 7 into coverage.

The absolute embarrassing lack of explosion outside of Worthy had to make the Eagles laugh their asses off.

The Chiefs might have had the slowest offense in football last year.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-16-2025 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18000505)
It’s impossible for a QB to succeed when a defense can get historic level pressure with only 4 up front and drop 7 into coverage.

The absolute embarrassing lack of explosion outside of Worthy had to make the Eagles laugh their asses off.

The Chiefs might have had the slowest offense in football last year.

There’s some truth to it but I think we overblow it some too. I mean Hollywood is fast as hell too.

I think it’s more like Philly had the #1 defense with a super fast unit in their own right, and with the styles make fights nature of the league, our running game that lacked any explosiveness was a really poor match for them. That’s before we consider the game plan stunk, and Mahomes was inaccurate from the start.

JohnnyHammersticks 03-16-2025 03:59 PM

Rice was leading the entire NFL in receptions and was 2nd in receiving yards when he got hurt.

If anyone thinks that - along with Hollywood breaking on the first play of preseason - didn't have a huge impact on our offensive numbers, please send me the name of your dispensary because you must be smoking/vaping/edible-ing some good stuff.

MahomesMagic 03-16-2025 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 18000515)
Rice was leading the entire NFL in receptions and was 2nd in receiving yards when he got hurt.

If anyone thinks that - along with Hollywood breaking on the first play of preseason - didn't have a huge impact on our offensive numbers, please send me the name of your dispensary because you must be smoking/vaping/edible-ing some good stuff.



We scored 27 against a Ravens defense that was playing terrible early in the year.

We scored 26 against a Bengals defense that could not stop shit.

Then we scored 22 against the crappy Falcons on a nationally televised game.

In Rice's final game as a Chief where he was injured we had only scored 10 points against the Chargers until late in the 4th.


Sure, Rice was getting the volume and the fantasy football points.


But it wasn't translating into a powerhouse offense.

scho63 03-16-2025 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RedinTexas (Post 18000243)
I'm worried about you.

Get in line.....:D


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