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Logical 09-10-2005 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Seriously, Jim. Stop being such an ass.
You guys want to kill the forum fine, but you will not if I can help it become the Star BB of the past. It appears the point of this effort is to silence a portion of the members and get them out of sight (and I do not mean me) but I will do everything within the rules to make sure that does not happen. I will use the search function to prove my points, I will show the contradictions being used, I will use the rules to my advantage. Don't expect me to just roll over because some babies want to see the DC forum and DEnise/jAZ/jettio dissappear from their peaceful little existence.

Logical 09-10-2005 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by raiderhader
I feel the need to address this as I have been one of the most vocal members in regards to banning Denise. I do not know if you throw me into the catagory that you described or not, but let me assure you, 99.9% of the time I go out of my way to avoid her.

I decided in the last couple of weeks that when I made it back to the board that I was going to avoid the DC forum because that is where she spends most of her time. It is not because I am incapable of ignoring her (most of the time), but because it is inevitable that I will run into her. She, simply put, lessens my enjoyment of this place. And since the majority do not see her as the cancer that I do, I will simply avoid her main residence. So the turn out of the vote is why I am not returning, but my participation in that forum had become minimal anyway, because as previously stated, I can only take so much of it before it starts wearing on me.

I can not speak for the few of us who do want her gone, only myslef, and in speaking for myself I can honestly say that even if she had been banned, my involvement in that forum was not going to be anywhere what it had been when it was first formed. Politics is a passion of mine, but pure, unadalturated politics, all of teh time is too much for even me.
No that was not intended for you, in fact you stuck around long after that issue was decided to make your case so I would have no reason to believe you purely want to avoid DEnise, frankly I know you of all people know this will kill the DC forum and even if you don't want to participate anymore I am suprised you are supporting it's death.

Raiderhater 09-10-2005 06:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
Funny thing is you are definitely wrong. as I have come to admit the errors of my past positions I have found them very forgiving, mush more so than I see in the conservatives who now seem to hate me just because I can change my opinion (cough, Iowanian, cough).

Well hell, Jim, of course people are going to love you when you go to their side. Their is a difference between forgiving someone because it is the right thing to do, and forgiving someone simply because they now agree with you.

You've seen teh hatred from the left with your own eyes on this board, so filled with hatred they are that they will straight up lie about the definition of "unilateral". It is pure hatred that drives them to do such things. No more, no less.

You can tell me I am wrong about this until you are blue in the face, it won't make you any more right.

Raiderhater 09-10-2005 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
Oh BS Jamie, pretty much all the conservatives abandon DC simultaneously leaving only a token few of charachter like Duck Dog, Iowanian, and ainorth that have the guts to stick around. That is not 30 some people simultaneously getting a life.

I was merely giving an example of how life can be off and on. I attribute this situation mostly to football season, as well as to people giving up on :banghead: of irrationale thought all the time. But mostly I attribute it to football season.

Mr. Laz 09-10-2005 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
You guys want to kill the forum fine, but you will not if I can help it become the Star BB of the past. It appears the point of this effort is to silence a portion of the members and get them out of sight (and I do not mean me) but I will do everything within the rules to make sure that does not happen. I will use the search function to prove my points, I will show the contradictions being used, I will use the rules to my advantage. Don't expect me to just roll over because some babies want to see the DC forum and DEnise/jAZ/jettio dissappear from their peaceful little existence.

just so i could read it again :clap: :clap:

htismaqe 09-10-2005 06:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
You guys want to kill the forum fine, but you will not if I can help it become the Star BB of the past. It appears the point of this effort is to silence a portion of the members and get them out of sight (and I do not mean me) but I will do everything within the rules to make sure that does not happen. I will use the search function to prove my points, I will show the contradictions being used, I will use the rules to my advantage. Don't expect me to just roll over because some babies want to see the DC forum and DEnise/jAZ/jettio dissappear from their peaceful little existence.
First of all, the DC forum is RIGHT WHERE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN.

Second, your feigned nobility is almost laughable.

And finally, there are no contradictions. Any moderator action on this board ultimately comes down to a judgment call. Put your rulebook away and stop...

Raiderhater 09-10-2005 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by penchief
Probably true. I'll give you that. I'll admit that I am looking toward tomorrow's game with much anticipation.

Even so, this new trend has been apparent for more nearly a month or more.

How long has TC and the pre-season games been going on now?

Logical 09-10-2005 06:15 PM
One other thing, anyone who does not think that moving a forum to a location with no direct visibility on the front page who does not believe it kills that forum's traffic and kills the threads, go check the threads in the Hall of Classics and Romper Room, threads in those forums were amongst the most active threads of all time. When things get moved there instantly the posting drop off to almost nothing or nothing. That is no accident.

4th and Long 09-10-2005 06:16 PM
From the outside looking in on this thread ...

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Raiderhater 09-10-2005 06:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
You guys want to kill the forum fine, but you will not if I can help it become the Star BB of the past.

Jim, IF this happens, the first step was taken when you switched votes and decided to split the forums.

Logical 09-10-2005 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
First of all, the DC forum is RIGHT WHERE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN.

Second, your feigned nobility is almost laughable.

And finally, there are no contradictions. Any moderator action on this board ultimately comes down to a judgment call. Put your rulebook away and stop...
I am not accusing the moderators of anything. I am accusing the BB population of trying to silence a portion of the BB population, I know everyone of the moderators and I know that is not your or any of their intents. Sorry if I gave that misimpression. I am talking about the folks who want the visibility gone because they are too chickenshit to control themselves and avoid DEnise/jettio/jAZ.

Mr. Laz 09-10-2005 06:19 PM
also curious to know how many alter ego's have stuffed the ballot box.



if there was anyway to prove it or not, i would bet money that the conservative mass exodus from D.C. was organized in some fashion.

htismaqe 09-10-2005 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Laz
also curious to know how many alter ego's have stuffed the ballot box.



if there was anyway to prove it or not, i would bet money that the conservative mass exodus from D.C. was organized in some fashion.
Seriously, Laz. This is WAY beneath you.

4th and Long 09-10-2005 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
One other thing, anyone who does not think that moving a forum to a location with no direct visibility on the front page who does not believe it kills that forum's traffic and kills the threads, go check the threads in the Hall of Classics and Romper Room, threads in those forums were amongst the most active threads of all time. When things get moved there instantly the posting drop off to almost nothing or nothing. That is no accident.
That dog won't hunt. This board had plenty of traffic before the creation of the DC forum. It will have plenty of traffic if the DC forum evaporates. No one should come here to talk politics exclusively. If they do, then too bad. Go find a political BB to piss and moan on. The names of this site is chiefsplanet.com. If you came here looking to talk politics, you obviously took a wrong turn at Albuquerque ala Bugs Bunny.

Raiderhater 09-10-2005 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
No that was not intended for you, in fact you stuck around long after that issue was decided to make your case so I would have no reason to believe you purely want to avoid DEnise, frankly I know you of all people know this will kill the DC forum and even if you don't want to participate anymore I am suprised you are supporting it's death.

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. If I can't get Denise banned, then I have to play by the rules everyone else has set. If moving the DC forum keeps her further away from this forum, than that is the path I must follow. It is perhaps rather sad that an internet site has come to mean as much as it does, but that is the case. And she lessens my enjoyment here, so whatever keeps her at a distance is what I support.

Trust me, it isn't my first choice.

Logical 09-10-2005 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by raiderhader
Jim, IF this happens, the first step was taken when you switched votes and decided to split the forums.
You know I worried when I switched my vote but yet did so reluctantly because the football traffic was stopping in the lounge due to the election that was upcoming.

htismaqe 09-10-2005 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ENDelt260
Actually, the point was to free up some screen real estate.
Apparently, it's all just a lame attempt to steal the liberals' thunder...

Logical 09-10-2005 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ENDelt260
Actually, the point was to free up some screen real estate.
Again to the moderators I am sorry, I am talking about the intent of the voters not the intent of the moderators. So once again because I was not clear I apologize.

Mr. Laz 09-10-2005 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by raiderhader
If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. If I can't get Denise banned, then I have to play by the rules everyone else has set. If moving the DC forum keeps her further away from this forum, than that is the path I must follow. It is perhaps rather sad that an internet site has come to mean as much as it does, but that is the case. And she lessens my enjoyment here, so whatever keeps her at a distance is what I support.

Trust me, it isn't my first choice.
ahhhh .... so you admit that all your arguments to this point have basically been bullchit.



you can't figure out how to use the iggy button, so you willing to do whatever it takes, including killing the D.C. forum, to cover up your lack of technical ability.

penchief 09-10-2005 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by raiderhader
How long has TC and the pre-season games been going on now?

Maybe so.......but being one on the other side of the fence this is not like any other time in the history of the planet. This is a new experience whether you are aware of it, or not. Even during past preseasons or regular seasons there has been a predominant conservative dominance on the DC forum that has made it's presence known.

This is almost spooky for those of us who are used to being backed into a corner.

htismaqe 09-10-2005 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by penchief
Maybe so.......but being one on the other side of the fence this is not like any other time in the history of the planet. This is a new experience whether you are aware of it, or not. Even during past preseasons or regular seasons there has been a predominant conservative dominance on the DC forum that has made it's presence known.

This is almost spooky for those of us who are used to being backed into a corner.
Of course...you're eating it up with a ladle.

Both sides of this argument are so incredibly childish...

Raiderhater 09-10-2005 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
One other thing, anyone who does not think that moving a forum to a location with no direct visibility on the front page who does not believe it kills that forum's traffic and kills the threads, go check the threads in the Hall of Classics and Romper Room, threads in those forums were amongst the most active threads of all time. When things get moved there instantly the posting drop off to almost nothing or nothing. That is no accident.

In the case of the Hall of Classics, most of those threads had died off long ago. The purpose of that forum was to provide easy access to anyone feeling nostalgic. And originally the rules where that a thread had to be off the front page for so many weeks before it could be placed there.

As for the Romper Room, bad threads are moved there in hopes that they die, because they provide not only a lack of quality posting for the main forum, but the exact opposite, shitty posting over petty fueds.

I could very easily see this thread going there once the vote has been closed.

Logical 09-10-2005 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 4th and Long
That dog won't hunt. This board had plenty of traffic before the creation of the DC forum. It will have plenty of traffic if the DC forum evaporates. No one should come here to talk politics exclusively. If they do, then too bad. Go find a political BB to piss and moan on. The names of this site is chiefsplanet.com. If you came here looking to talk politics, you obviously took a wrong turn at Albuquerque ala Bugs Bunny.

Well hello Becky, in case you did not know it the reason this BB took off is because they banned politics at the Star BB. This place was set up to allow us to talk any subject and of course football. You picked the wrong guy to tell the history of this BB.

Mr. Laz 09-10-2005 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Seriously, Laz. This is WAY beneath you.
really ... you mean none of mr. kotter's or anyone elses many personalities have voted twice??



you know this as fact?











my apologies to all the dupers then

Raiderhater 09-10-2005 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
You know I worried when I switched my vote but yet did so reluctantly because the football traffic was stopping in the lounge due to the election that was upcoming.

It was the fucking offseason. TC hadn't even begun yet for crying out loud.

Logical 09-10-2005 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by raiderhader
In the case of the Hall of Classics, most of those threads had died off long ago. The purpose of that forum was to provide easy access to anyone feeling nostalgic. And originally the rules where that a thread had to be off the front page for so many weeks before it could be placed there.

As for the Romper Room, bad threads are moved there in hopes that they die, because they provide not only a lack of quality posting for the main forum, but the exact opposite, shitty posting over petty fueds.

I could very easily see this thread going there once the vote has been closed.
I am not talking the ones that are stored there out of archive Jamie, I am talking those that are moved there from the first few page of the Lounge because they were deem classics.

Raiderhater 09-10-2005 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ENDelt260
Hahahahaha. It's a vast...

ROFL

htismaqe 09-10-2005 06:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Laz
really ... you mean none of mr. kotter's or anyone elses many personalities have voted twice??

you know this as fact?

my apologies to all the dupers then
You do realize that it's COMPLETELY MOOT.

The DC Forum WAS NOT MOVED.

Mr. Laz 09-10-2005 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
You do realize that it's COMPLETELY MOOT.

The DC Forum WAS NOT MOVED.
so check and see if anyone dupes voted AND THEN come back and lecture me about how suggesting such a thing was beneath me.

Calcountry 09-10-2005 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by penchief
.............all of a sudden.....
No the whole time, i.e. our WHOLE life doesn't solely depend on who is in the White House.

Obviously yours does, otherwise, you wouldn't be so goddam egocentric that you fail to understand what I was pointing out.

4th and Long 09-10-2005 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
Well hello Becky, in case you did not know it the reason this BB took off is because they banned politics at the Star BB. This place was set up to allow us to talk any subject and of course football. You picked the wrong guy to tell the history of this BB.
Your point is taken however, you seem to be missing mine. Actually, I did a bad job of presenting it.

This is a GREAT BOARD! As far as I'm concerned, it's THE BEST BB on the web for Chiefs talk. If every sub forum vanished this board would survive and maintain strong traffic because the board, and the vast majority of it's posters, are just that good.

That was my point ... I think.

And don't call me Becky again, Nancy. :p

4th and Long 09-10-2005 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Laz
so check and see if anyone dupes voted AND THEN come back and lecture me about how suggesting such a thing was beneath me.
I admit it. paranoia I was the gunman paranoia in the grassy knoll. paranoia

Calcountry 09-10-2005 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by penchief
I agree and completely understand. While I'm certain nobody here noticed, I vacated this board for about six months when my girlfriend and I split.

But it does seem strange that so many who have been so vocal for so long would all vacate at almost precisely the same time.
Because we tire of the shit. There is a reason there they only hold elections once every 4 years.

htismaqe 09-10-2005 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Laz
so check and see if anyone dupes voted AND THEN come back and lecture me about how suggesting such a thing was beneath me.
Even if anyone DID dupe vote, it's beneath you to insinuate it.

You're acting like a spoiled kid, Laz.

Calcountry 09-10-2005 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
Funny thing is you are definitely wrong. as I have come to admit the errors of my past positions I have found them very forgiving, mush more so than I see in the conservatives who now seem to hate me just because I can change my opinion (cough, Iowanian, cough).
Waffle?

penchief 09-10-2005 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Of course...you're eating it up with a ladle.

Both sides of this argument are so incredibly childish...
Why are you intent on assigning motives to my observations? Granted, it is easy to discern my affiliation but it seems like you have an agenda of your own. If you look at the posts that I have responded to, I am merely pointing out that their arguments are not supported by posterity.

Yes, I have been vindicated by the fact that this president is horrible. However, I have tried to approach it with humor and humility, which is more than I can say for those who expressed themselves when they felt that the upper hand was theirs.

It seems as if your insinuations are nothing more than your way of expressing your bitterness toward those liberals whom you have criticized in the past and who have withstood those criticisms only to ultimatley appear correct in the end.

Just a distant observation.

Mr. Laz 09-10-2005 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Even if anyone DID dupe vote, it's beneath you to insinuate it.

You're acting like a spoiled kid, Laz.
fine... i'm a spoiled kid




you gonna check or not?

Calcountry 09-10-2005 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
Exactly that is not a political thread and should not be moved from the Lounge by the rules as they are not being explained.
Fug the rules then, I will go back to work now.

Raiderhater 09-10-2005 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Laz
ahhhh .... so you admit that all your arguments to this point have basically been bullchit.
Uh, is that what I said? Because I sure do not recall typing that. Your reading comprehension sucks ass.

I still stand by all of my arguments to ban her.

Quote:
you can't figure out how to use the iggy button, so you willing to do whatever it takes, including killing the D.C. forum, to cover up
your lack of technical ability.
My wanting the DC forum killed has nothing to do with her. Quite the contrary. I want it alive and well so that she stays there. But on the other hand I want it in a place where she is less inclined to visit this forum. According to some I can't have it both ways. So if that forum dies, guess where she starts spending the majority of her time? In that situation, I'm fucked.

Logical 09-10-2005 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by bunnytrdr
Waffle?
Yes, if I am wrong I change my position. You want to call that waffling I am fine with it.

Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan 09-10-2005 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by raiderhader
My wanting the DC forum killed has nothing to do with her. Quite the contrary. I want it alive and well so that she stays there. But on the other hand I want it in a place where she is less inclined to visit this forum. According to some I can't have it both ways. So if that forum dies, <i>guess where she starts spending the majority of her time? </i>In that situation, I'm fucked.
A Raiders Forum? ROFL

Raiderhater 09-10-2005 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
I am not talking the ones that are stored there out of archive Jamie, I am talking those that are moved there from the first few page of the Lounge because they were deem classics.

I have noticed that happen once once or twice, and it is not in accordance to the qualifiers set when the forum was created. HOWEVER, most of those threads were requested by the general populace to be moved early. And I think more often than not they have at least waited until they have left the front page, which is a sign that thread is losing interest anyway.

Kclee 09-10-2005 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
Yes, if I am wrong I change my position. You want to call that waffling I am fine with it.
Vlad, you are getting too defensive. Are you sure he wasn't offering you a waffle?



Syrup?

Logical 09-10-2005 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
You do realize that it's COMPLETELY MOOT.

The DC Forum WAS NOT MOVED.
Now that is being slightly deceptive post 362 from Phil

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Originally Posted by Phobia
I try to let day and night crews get a chance to vote before pulling the trigger. This poll isn't done yet.

Mr. Laz 09-10-2005 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Kclee
Vlad, you are getting too defensive. Are you sure he wasn't offering you a waffle?



Syrup?
heh... ROFL

you really shouldn't be in this thread, lee ... it's not a pretty sight







not my shining hour ... don't look

Pants 09-10-2005 06:49 PM
"Community run website" my ass.

Raiderhater 09-10-2005 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by penchief
Why are you intent on assigning motives to my observations? Granted, it is easy to discern my affiliation but it seems like you have an agenda of your own. If you look at the posts that I have responded to, I am merely pointing out that their arguments are not supported by posterity.

Yes, I have been vindicated by the fact that this president is horrible. However, I have tried to approach it with humor and humility, which is more than I can say for those who expressed themselves when they felt that the upper hand was theirs.

It seems as if your insinuations are nothing more than your way of expressing your bitterness toward those liberals whom you have criticized in the past and who have withstood those criticisms only to ultimatley appear correct in the end.

Just a distant observation.

FTR, your distant observation could not be more inaccurate. htis should have no reason at this point to prove his fairness to anyone on this board. Some of the mods are more "famous" (see Phil) because of their personalities and the way they approach the job, but htis is just as good a mod as any of them, if not better (no offense intended to the rest of you whatsoever). If he speaks, I listen, even if my intial reaction is to disagree with him, I will rethink what he says. He is one of the most fair personalities on this board. Period.

Logical 09-10-2005 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Laz
fine... i'm a spoiled kid




you gonna check or not?
Laz in all honesty with the vastness of the vote differential it won't make any difference. No one has that many identies not even gochiefs.

Logical 09-10-2005 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Metrolike
"Community run website" my ass.
Not quite so fast there check out the following post from Phil

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=362

Mr. Laz 09-10-2005 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
Laz in all honesty with the vastness of the vote differential it won't make any difference. No one has that many identies not even gochiefs.
no it won't make any different in the vote ...




but it's really about the principal, don't you think?

Raiderhater 09-10-2005 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan
A Raiders Forum? ROFL

Heh. That would certainly be the most logical choice. But that would have been the most logical choice a loooong time ago, I see no reason why we should expect her to make a logical decision now.

She feeds off of the negative attention, no way she goes some place where she fits in.

penchief 09-10-2005 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by raiderhader
FTR, your distant observation could not be more inaccurate. htis should have no reason at this point to prove his fairness to anyone on this board. Some of the mods are more "famous" (see Phil) because of their personalities and the way they approach the job, but htis is just as good a mad as any of them, if not better (no offense intended to the rest of you whatsoever). If he speaks, I listen, even if my intial reaction is to disagree with him, I will rethink what he says. He is one of the most fair personalities on this board. Period.
Generally, I would agree that htismaqe is fair. However, in this particular instance he seems intent on coming down in the middle of a specific debate in which one side's argument is not supported by historical evidence.

Mr. Laz 09-10-2005 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by penchief
Generally, I would agree that htismaqe is fair. However, in this particular instance he seems intent on coming down in the middle of a specific debate in which one side's argument would not supported by historical evidence.
heh ... to be honest, parker tends to want to come down in the middle of just about every debate. It's his "logical people don't overreact" instincts.



both sides wrong ... only he's right, because he's in the middle




but we love him anyway :p :p

htismaqe 09-10-2005 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Laz
fine... i'm a spoiled kid




you gonna check or not?
Well, considering it's not possible to figure out who voted for what, I guess the answer is no.

I wouldn't check anyway, because I don't ****ing care.

Logical 09-10-2005 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Laz
no it won't make any different in the vote ...




but it's really about the principal, don't you think?
In all honesty that would be a huge amount of work for the moderators over the principle, looking up IPs crossreferencing them etc when it is not going to change the result. I think you should cut them some slack, the intent to kill the DC forum is not their intent, it is just an unfortunate by product of all these subforums. Phil is looking into the feasibility of letting the user subscribe to which subforums he wants to see on the front page so lets give the moderators some slack. My argument is with the BB population not the moderators.

Raiderhater 09-10-2005 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by penchief
Generally, I would agree that htismaqe is fair. However, in this particular instance he seems intent on coming down in the middle of a specific debate in which one side's argument is not supported by historical evidence.

I have already established that the history of which you speak is a short and unique one. Why you feel you can fairly judge actions based upon that period of time is beyond me.

Actually I completely understand it, it helps support your argument, so you will focus on it regardless.

We are back the the definition of "unilateral" again. And you all wonder why we have left....


Yes, htis is human like the rest of us, but he is not the type of person who's charater and integrity you question so loosely. His time on this board as mod and average poster should be proof of that.

htismaqe 09-10-2005 07:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by penchief
Generally, I would agree that htismaqe is fair. However, in this particular instance he seems intent on coming down in the middle of a specific debate in which one side's argument is not supported by historical evidence.
Actually, I'm coming down on a specific side of this debate because of the behavior of certain people.

Look at what you just posted -- "not supported by historical evidence" -- and tell me that's not DRIPPING with condescension...

Mr. Laz 09-10-2005 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
In all honesty that would be a huge amount of work for the moderators over the principle, looking up IPs crossreferencing them etc when it is not going to change the result
my bad then... i didn't expect them to do a load of work


i thought all polls had a "public" option so they could tell who did what



and most mods seem to know the dupe users by name already without any IP work.

Mr. Laz 09-10-2005 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Actually, I'm coming down on a specific side of this debate because of the behavior of certain people....
and what side would that be

htismaqe 09-10-2005 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
Now that is being slightly deceptive post 362 from Phil
Actually, if you were to follow the thread from the beginning, Phil's "goal" was to get it down to 4 sub-forums at the top of the page.

The planet store has been "linked" leaving 4 sub-forums at the top of the Lounge.

So the results of the poll are at this point moot. There's no reason to move DC, because there are no longer 5 sub-forums in the Lounge.

Raiderhater 09-10-2005 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Laz
my bad then... i didn't expect them to do a load of work


i thought all polls had a "public" option so they could tell who did what



and most mods seem to know the dupe users by name already without any IP work.

The public option is available if chosen by the person who starts the poll, and it enables everyone to view who voted for what.

htismaqe 09-10-2005 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Laz
and what side would that be
The side that thinks this whole discussion is disgusting...

Mr. Laz 09-10-2005 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
The side that thinks this whole discussion is disgusting...
like he said ... in the middle :p :)

Logical 09-10-2005 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Actually, if you were to follow the thread from the beginning, Phil's "goal" was to get it down to 4 sub-forums at the top of the page.

The planet store has been "linked" leaving 4 sub-forums at the top of the Lounge.

So the results of the poll are at this point moot. There's no reason to move DC, because there are no longer 5 sub-forums in the Lounge.
If you will go back to around 300 you will find a post where Stevieray accuses Phil of not following the majority community opinion. there are a series of back and forths involving Stevie, Phil, Endo and Phil. that post 362 culminates. So I am pretty sure based on that and the PM I got from Phil last night that he will still delete it. He according to the PM is looking into my idea of being able to subscribe to which subforums you want to view at the top of the the Lounge but and has not deleted anything except to move the store to a button.

penchief 09-10-2005 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by raiderhader
I have already established that the history of which you speak is a short and unique one. Why you feel you can fairly judge actions based upon that period of time is beyond me.

Actually I completely understand it, it helps support your argument, so you will focus on it regardless.

We are back the the definition of "unilateral" again. And you all wonder why we have left....


Yes, htis is human like the rest of us, but he is not the type of person who's charater and integrity you question so loosely. His time on this board as mod and average poster should be proof of that.
Whoaa!

I'm not questioning his character or his integrity. You are going overboard.

I'm only questioning his argument against my argument. I admire his objectivity but in this particular case he isn't taking into account the recorded posterity of the DC forum.

Please don't put words in my mouth or assign motives to my words.

penchief

Mr. Laz 09-10-2005 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ENDelt260
I hope you're not holding your breath on that one.
if your not logged in you can't see the pictures forum


isn't that some kind of filter?


you also have "at work" ... "full featured" etc



i'm NOT asking for more hassle or work to be done ... i'm fine the way it is

but could the DC forum be added to one of these filters without causing too much of a work/problem?

htismaqe 09-10-2005 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Laz
like he said ... in the middle :p :)
Actually, right now I'm the side against those that don't want it moved. I think the whole "you can't leave now, we're winning!" mentality is pretty stupid...

htismaqe 09-10-2005 07:17 PM
Personally, I don't see any reason to move the DC forum.

The stated goal was 4 sub-forums and that's what we have.

If there's one time we should not follow the results of a community poll, this is one of them.

htismaqe 09-10-2005 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
If you will go back to around 300 you will find a post where Stevieray accuses Phil of not following the majority community opinion. there are a series of back and forths involving Stevie, Phil, Endo and Phil. that post 362 culminates. So I am pretty sure based on that and the PM I got from Phil last night that he will still delete it. He according to the PM is looking into my idea of being able to subscribe to which subforums you want to view at the top of the the Lounge but and has not deleted anything except to move the store to a button.
Let's be clear...not DELETE...MOVE.

Logical 09-10-2005 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ENDelt260
I hope you're not holding your breath on that one.
I wish he would just use my even simpler idea. of removing all the extraneous stuff in the links
Code:
Forum Name Posts Threads Last Poster
And keep them all up there.

Logical 09-10-2005 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Let's be clear...not DELETE...MOVE.
You cannot move the link, you delete the link from the front page right?

penchief 09-10-2005 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Actually, I'm coming down on a specific side of this debate because of the behavior of certain people.

Look at what you just posted -- "not supported by historical evidence" -- and tell me that's not DRIPPING with condescension...
It's not "DRIPPING with condescension."

I'ts dripping with historical evidence.

Look at any political thread that took place prior to the last several months and you will see complete derision on behalf of many conservatives toward those who disagreed with them. You will see very little evidence of such behavior returned on behalf of liberals. If there was, the ratio was disparate.

Mr. Laz 09-10-2005 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ENDelt260
I would assume the disappearance of the pics forum is due to the permissions being setup such that only registered users can view it.

There is a brand new usergroup that doesn't have permission to view DC... making it disappear. There are only a handful of users in it. I suppose mods could start taking requests at large to be added to that group.
if that's not a big hassle for management ... seems good.


its sounds like an immediate solution to their inability to use iggy or resist going into the DC forum.

Logical 09-10-2005 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Personally, I don't see any reason to move the DC forum.

The stated goal was 4 sub-forums and that's what we have.

If there's one time we should not follow the results of a community poll, this is one of them.
I actually agree with you, but you watch what happens if that link is not gone by Monday. You will find that Penchief and Laz's arguments that the reason for the desire are correct.


By the way I have to agree with Penchief that for as long as I have been at the Planet this is the only time I cannot remember the Conservatives being able to dominate political discussion and conduct beatdowns, for the first time that I can ever recall the liberals are at the advantage.


;) I like to think it is because I am arguing on their side more and more.ROFL

Raiderhater 09-10-2005 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by penchief
Whoaa!

I'm not questioning his character or his integrity. You are going overboard.

I'm only questioning his argument against my argument. I admire his objectivity but in this particular case he isn't taking into account the recorded posterity of the DC forum.

Please don't put words in my mouth or assign motives to my words.

penchief

Actually, it is you who are not taking into account "recorded posterity" of that forum, despite the fact I have explained it to you. You simply choose to ignore it (can you say "unilateral"?).

When you say -

Quote:
However, in this particular instance he seems intent on coming down in the middle of a specific debate in which one side's argument is not supported by historical evidence.
It kind of sounds like you are questioning his integrity. You make it sound like he is determined to side against a certain group inspite of whatever "truth" you show him. That sounds like a case of integrity to me.

Raiderhater 09-10-2005 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
You cannot move the link, you delete the link from the front page right?
In all reality, Jim, you are talking semantics.

Raiderhater 09-10-2005 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
I actually agree with you, but you watch what happens if that link is not gone by Monday. You will find that Penchief and Laz's arguments that the reason for the desire are correct.


By the way I have to agree with Penchief that for as long as I have been at the Planet this is the only time I cannot remember the Conservatives being able to dominate political discussion and conduct beatdowns, for the first time that I can ever recall the liberals are at the advantage.


;) I like to think it is because I am arguing on their side more and more.ROFL
That is skewed by the fact that I have chosen not to participate for reasons previously stated. ;)

Mr. Laz 09-10-2005 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ENDelt260
The amount of hassle would be dependent on demand, I would think. The actual act of switching someone's usergroup doesn't take much.
looks like it would number about 52 people right now













minus a few dupers ... maybe ... heh

Logical 09-10-2005 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by raiderhader
...


It kind of sounds like you are questioning his integrity. You make it sound like he is determined to side against a certain group inspite of whatever "truth" you show him. That sounds like a case of integrity to me.
Jamie, sorry but even Parker has admitted he tends to fight with sides that are taking very strong or extreme positions no matter which side of the argument they are on. He definitely has admitted it when it comes to Carl Peterson, the front office and the draft. I specifically recall the day he told Laz that was his predisposition and that it caused people to misunderstand his positions on many issues.

penchief 09-10-2005 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Actually, right now I'm the side against those that don't want it moved. I think the whole "you can't leave now, we're winning!" mentality is pretty stupid...
I understand where you are coming from but what about the mentality that wants to end a good thing (the forum) because they are no longer in the driver's seat. That seems even more petty to me.

Granted, both sides have their problems, but by expressing the above opinion maybe you are exposing your true affiliation. Not saying it's so but maybe you aren't all that neutral, after all.

Maybe the only thing we on the left desire is an acknowledgement that we weren't the commies that we were accused of being. Maybe all we want is an acknowledgement that we were'nt nutjobs for forseeing that Bush was the incompetent boob that he is. Maybe all that we desire is the admission that we weren't a bunch of unpatriotic loony toons who hate America.

Maybe we just want to be recognized as people who love our country as much as conservatives do. Just maybe.


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