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wild1 05-05-2009 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by phillip (Post 5741673)
Death penalty is no cheaper than a life sentence. Years of appeals, usually by appointed counsel, etc.

You are telling me that housing someone at state expense for 40 years is cheaper than a court appointed lawyer running appeals? I don't believe that.

Besides if it's too expensive we should fix that instead of suspending justice.

Spott 05-05-2009 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 5740641)
Good. They should have fried the sonofabitch a long time ago.

Agreed. ****er should have been worm food long ago.

KCChiefsMan 05-05-2009 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by phillip (Post 5741673)
Death penalty is no cheaper than a life sentence. Years of appeals, usually by appointed counsel, etc.

true, thats because the system is stupid

DenverChief 05-05-2009 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wild1 (Post 5741698)
You are telling me that housing someone at state expense for 40 years is cheaper than a court appointed lawyer running appeals? I don't believe that.

Besides if it's too expensive we should fix that instead of suspending justice.

In its review of death penalty expenses, the State of Kansas concluded that capital cases are 70% more expensive than comparable non-death penalty cases. The study counted death penalty case costs through to execution and found that the median death penalty case costs $1.26 million. Non-death penalty cases were counted through to the end of incarceration and were found to have a median cost of $740,000. For death penalty cases, the pre-trial and trial level expenses were the most expensive part, 49% of the total cost. The costs of appeals were 29% of the total expense, and the incarceration and execution costs accounted for the remaining 22%. In comparison to non-death penalty cases, the following findings were revealed:

The investigation costs for death-sentence cases were about 3 times greater than for non-death cases.

The trial costs for death cases were about 16 times greater than for non-death cases ($508,000 for death case; $32,000 for non-death case).

The appeal costs for death cases were 21 times greater.

The costs of carrying out (i.e. incarceration and/or execution) a death sentence were about half the costs of carrying out a non-death sentence in a comparable case.

Trials involving a death sentence averaged 34 days, including jury selection; non-death trials averaged about 9 days.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/node/1080

Brock 05-05-2009 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 5741721)
Trials involving a death sentence averaged 34 days, including jury selection; non-death trials averaged about 9 days.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/node/1080

That's how long it should take to execute them, at most.

DenverChief 05-05-2009 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 5741724)
That's how long it should take to execute them, at most.

I disagree unless certain criteria are met, one being irrefutable DNA evidence....too many wrongly convicted persons have been put to death already and to speed it up and risk greater error is unfathomable

wild1 05-05-2009 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 5741721)
In its review of death penalty expenses, the State of Kansas concluded that capital cases are 70% more expensive than comparable non-death penalty cases. The study counted death penalty case costs through to execution and found that the median death penalty case costs $1.26 million. Non-death penalty cases were counted through to the end of incarceration and were found to have a median cost of $740,000. For death penalty cases, the pre-trial and trial level expenses were the most expensive part, 49% of the total cost. The costs of appeals were 29% of the total expense, and the incarceration and execution costs accounted for the remaining 22%. In comparison to non-death penalty cases, the following findings were revealed:

The investigation costs for death-sentence cases were about 3 times greater than for non-death cases.

The trial costs for death cases were about 16 times greater than for non-death cases ($508,000 for death case; $32,000 for non-death case).

The appeal costs for death cases were 21 times greater.

The costs of carrying out (i.e. incarceration and/or execution) a death sentence were about half the costs of carrying out a non-death sentence in a comparable case.

Trials involving a death sentence averaged 34 days, including jury selection; non-death trials averaged about 9 days.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/node/1080

Are you saying that the state pays less than $500,000 in total expenses to house someone on a life sentence for 30 or 40 years, until the end of their natural life?

SenselessChiefsFan 05-05-2009 03:08 PM

Did anyone else notice that this guy killed an 81 year old man in 1978 and only served 14 years?

God has extended me grace. And, from that perspective, I try to extend it to others. However, God has put people in places of authority for a reason. If God wanted this guy to live, then no one could take his life.

As for me, I pray that he has changed. I pray that he has found God, than he is saved and that has been redeemed. I pray that somehow, despite the sorrow and tragedy that he has brought about, that God has used his life for God's work.

The story of Mosses would not have been possible without a Pharroh with a hardened heart. No telling what great works God was able to do with these tragedies.

DenverChief 05-05-2009 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by wild1 (Post 5741739)
Are you saying that the state pays less than $500,000 in total expenses to house someone on a life sentence for 30 or 40 years, until the end of their natural life?

pretty much...roughly 20k a year most studies will show

jjjayb 05-05-2009 03:14 PM

It's not so much that he deserves to die. It's moreso that I don't think he deserves to live. Exterminate the vermin.

Baby Lee 05-05-2009 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 5741721)
In its review of death penalty expenses, the State of Kansas concluded that capital cases are 70% more expensive than comparable non-death penalty cases. The study counted death penalty case costs through to execution and found that the median death penalty case costs $1.26 million. Non-death penalty cases were counted through to the end of incarceration and were found to have a median cost of $740,000. For death penalty cases, the pre-trial and trial level expenses were the most expensive part, 49% of the total cost. The costs of appeals were 29% of the total expense, and the incarceration and execution costs accounted for the remaining 22%. In comparison to non-death penalty cases, the following findings were revealed:

The investigation costs for death-sentence cases were about 3 times greater than for non-death cases.

The trial costs for death cases were about 16 times greater than for non-death cases ($508,000 for death case; $32,000 for non-death case).


The appeal costs for death cases were 21 times greater.

The costs of carrying out (i.e. incarceration and/or execution) a death sentence were about half the costs of carrying out a non-death sentence in a comparable case.

Trials involving a death sentence averaged 34 days, including jury selection; non-death trials averaged about 9 days.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/node/1080


Looks like the judicial system half-asses it when a life isn't on the line.

Valiant 05-05-2009 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RJ (Post 4901280)
I suppose it would be cheaper to kill them than to jail them if they only had one shot at an appeal, but I can't see that ever happening, nor do I think I'd want it to. Sure, some cases are really cut and dried, but not all of them.

There's obviously lots of info out there on the cost of the death penalty. here's a piece from one site, and a link. And again, I'm not in favor of leniency to murderers, it's just that the death penalty is in many ways impractical and every now and then just flat out wrong.

http://www.fnsa.org/v1n1/dieter1.html

For the states which employ the death penalty, this luxury comes at a high price. In Texas, a death penalty case costs taxpayers an average of $2.3 million, about three times the cost of imprisoning someone in a single cell at the highest security level for 40 years.(3) In Florida, each execution is costing the state $3.2 million.(4) In financially strapped California, one report estimated that the state could save $90 million each year by abolishing capital punishment.(5) The New York Department of Correctional Services estimated that implementing the death penalty would cost the state about $118 million annually.(6)

I was reading that Missouri spends on average 40k a year on an inmate to house and feed them.. Times that times 30, I would rather just spend the money now and get it over with.. Of course it is probably cheaper to kill them if the lawyers were not making 100's of millions of dollars off the cases..

Kind of like how the medical industry, insurance and hospitals want to charge me 42 dollars for a cotton swab..

The Franchise 05-05-2009 04:48 PM

Let's go back to the eye for an eye thing.

You steal....you get your hand cut off.
You rape.....you get raped......by a bat.

Al Czervik 05-05-2009 09:21 PM

Excellent news that the stay was denied.....

This piece of shit will meet his maker....
About 15 years late, but in the end, it shall be done....

Peace to all that were affected by this POS actions....

beach tribe 05-05-2009 10:22 PM

Oh yeah, I remember this. Did they fry this POS yet?

Al Czervik 05-05-2009 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 5743389)
Oh yeah, I remember this. Did they fry this POS yet?

It is currently scheduled for May 20th.....

Amnorix 05-06-2009 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Valiant (Post 5741826)
I was reading that Missouri spends on average 40k a year on an inmate to house and feed them.. Times that times 30, I would rather just spend the money now and get it over with.. Of course it is probably cheaper to kill them if the lawyers were not making 100's of millions of dollars off the cases..

Kind of like how the medical industry, insurance and hospitals want to charge me 42 dollars for a cotton swab..

No lawyer gets rich off the criminal justice system except privately hired lawyers representing really rich defendants like OJ Simpson or Leona Helmsley.

Duck Dog 05-06-2009 08:22 AM

Since when do you get the death penalty for being an accomplice? Neither of the two guys that beat my uncle to death were given the death penalty.

Iowanian 05-06-2009 10:59 AM

Just imagine the support therman and co would have received if I hadn't started the negative tone on the first reply. I feel great remorse for those actions now.




Ride the lightening.

oaklandhater 05-06-2009 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian (Post 5744607)
Just imagine the support therman and co would have received if I hadn't started the negative tone on the first reply. I feel great remorse for those actions now.




Ride the lightening.

Yes therman initial post was very misleading.

Time's Yours 05-06-2009 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5743877)
No lawyer gets rich off the criminal justice system except privately hired lawyers representing really rich defendants like OJ Simpson or Leona Helmsley.

You beat me do it. Death row lawyers are in it based on principle.

Coach 05-20-2009 06:03 AM

Dennis Skillicorn was exectued on May 20, 2009 in Missouri. The last time Missouri had an executed was in October 26, 2005.

stlchiefs 05-20-2009 06:16 AM

ded

King_Chief_Fan 05-20-2009 06:57 AM

no offense to anyone intended....but, I support the death sentence.

If the victim's family appears on the signature list, I might be inclined to support their position. A convicted accomplice to murder gets no sympathy.

Frazod 05-20-2009 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 5779075)
Dennis Skillicorn was exectued on May 20, 2009 in Missouri. The last time Missouri had an executed was in October 26, 2005.

Good riddance.

Brock 05-20-2009 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by phillip (Post 5745566)
You beat me do it. Death row lawyers are in it based on publicity.

FYP

Gonzo 05-20-2009 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 5779075)
Dennis Skillicorn was exectued on May 20, 2009 in Missouri. The last time Missouri had an executed was in October 26, 2005.

To the ship!


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