Ludwick has bounced around at least three organizations and has made several big league appearances and has done shit...and suddenly he's an MVP candidate?

Ooook. Good for him, though...I like him. I like Ankiel...I just hate Cardinals fans.

Because we're not gonna play the same number of games at the end of the season...

You're trying to slant facts to make your team sound better than you are, just as Hamas put the phantom "(censored)" into Edmonds' quotes.

Another stupid comment. I don't hate Cub fans, I just hate you because you're ignorant.

Well cockmeat, I put WAY more emphasis into the loss column...just like everyone else who pays attention to baseball.

I never go by games back...always by the loss column. It's much more important...not a big sports fan?

I'm ignorant because you have trouble reading? Because you have trouble understanding 2nd baseman have good arms IN TODAY'S GAME? Because I said Soriano was a lousy fielder with a great throwing arm?

:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:

Ludwick has never been healthy until now so I don't think it it is safe to say anybody knew what he had including him. Look it up.

Perhaps the stupidest thing you have ever said.

Say a team goes 15-1-0 in the NFL. They're worse than the 0-0-16 team? (Not a realistic scenario, but it proves my point.)

Probably the most reeruned thing you've ever posted, and that's saying something.

Rebuilding:

Let's see, we have a 3B who will replace Glaus in two years, a CF who is the most highly regarded position player in the minors, a catcher like Bryan Anderson who is another top 100 prospect (you don't have any, FWIW) and was the youngest player in the entire Texas League last year yet tore it up, and 3-4 guys who will be starting in the rotation in another 2-3 years. (Todd, Mortenson, Garcia, and others).

Todd made the All-Star team in Single A and AA this year. He also through a 1 hitter last night.

Yes, our middle infield sucks, it sucks.

Other than that, The Cards have better everyday players at every other position than the Royals.

Keep talking out of your ass.

ok, fine...

but until he repeats this next year he's playing out of his ass...he's 30 friggin' years old and when I say something about Ryan Ludwick people still say "who?"

How is he not playing out of his ass? It's not like he was some sort of vaunted top prospect...

No, you're ignorant because you don't know what you're talking about, you make circles around your point, you started calling people names when you realized that you didn't know what you were talking about, no one likes you, you haven't made one relevant point and don't know how to concede defeat.

Oh, your grammar is also ignorant. Sweeped?

He had less than 500 career ABs before he came up with the Cardinals. He's not Ronnie Belliard, you dumb fuck.

No, he was just a 2nd round draft pick of that stupid fuck Billy Beane. What the hell does he know?

No, it doesn't prove your point. Football and baseball are two totally different sports...

When it comes down to it in baseball, the loss column is what matters...the Cardinals are 7 losses behind the Cubs...

Where would you rather be...

100-62

or

97-60

?

So one team doesn't have to play 5 games, or what?

I'll stop at the 'we don't have any top prospects'...according to baseball america, we have 4 top prospects and traded Gallagher to get Harden, the most dominant pitcher in the majors when healthy...

Thank you, come again!

Haha, attacking ones grammar? Awesome. That's always the best...

No one likes me? Fine. Sure. Great. Grand...

You have 150 posts and you are the biggest kiss ass I've seen on this site in a while...

I'll take my side. I'm not hear to make friends...I'm here to read about the Chiefs and discuss the Chiefs with other Chiefs fans...I live in Illinois, none of my friends want to hear me talk about anything Kansas City.

(for the record, the Cubs have more top prospects than the REBUILDING Cardinals)

Again, according to baseball america.

The loss column is completely insignificant for anything other than people trying to extrapolate the chances their team has. It means nothing.

Once again, you are relying on anomalies rather than the law of averages.

If you win 60% of your games, you will most likely win 3/5, regardless of whether you are 1 back in the L column or 10 ahead.

Where would you rather be? Control your destiny with 5 games to go...or technically be tied in the standing even though you have 2 more losses...

No fucking kidding!

I gave you a scenario...where would you rather be?

That's why the loss column is more important, in baseball, than the win column. The Cardinals are 7 losses back...say they are 6 back or 7 losses back, what's the difference? Rabbidicksucker is just trying to find a reason for you and him to have a suckfest with one another...

Let's see what was wrong with your latest post...

Because 330 something is equal to 150...

I was telling you WHY you were ignorant, which includes all aspects of your posting.

You don't have friends to talk to about Kansas City...

And I obviously kiss ass because everyone else knows you're wrong and we agree with each other.

Other than those errors, you made a completely relevant post. :)

It's so funny I say something like 'the Cardinals are still 7 losses back' and it gets you two bundle of stickss so worked up because I didn't say 6 games back...sorry you misread it and n00bed yourself...not my fault

Dumbass.

You don't have Gallagher.

Fukudome is not a prospect. He's 30 years old and was signed as a free agent.

Soto has been up all year. He's not a prospect anymore. He's an everyday player.

Is Ryan Braun still a prospect? What about Evan Longoria? Or are they major league players?

Oh wait....you might have....Josh Vitters he of the low A Boise team??

And who says n00b anyway?

So the loss column is insignificant and it's the only thing that matters?

ROFL

God, you're dumb. Do you ever get tired of constantly contradicting yourself.

330, 150, who GIVES a shit...

attacking my grammar and telling me I don't have friends...wow, you're really good at this internet stuff...

At least hamas can somewhat 'flame'...you're still stuck in fucking amateur hour...

Yeah, I have no friends and no one likes me on Chiefsplanet.com...omg...what should I do...suicide hotline suicide hotline...

Jesus dude...it's a message board...stick to the topic rather than trying to 'hurt my feelings'...it's not going to work.

Only in Hootie's world could saying something wrong be used against someone else as proof.

That's the pot calling the kettle black...

Jewishdicksucker... Go suck off hamas...

I never suggested you kill yourself, but for the record, I wouldn't stop you :)

I know we don't have Gallagher...we traded him for Harden...win for us.

And my apologies that are top prospects are making an impact with the organization...hopefully yours can at some point in the near future!

And although Pie didn't get off to such a hot start in Chicago, you can't really write him off yet...

So, it's just too bad two of our top prospects were all-star game starters and another one landed us the best pitcher in the major leagues (when healthy - which I won't hold my breath for)...

Hopefully the Cardinals can experience that some day with all of their amazing 3 top 100 prospects!!!

Not only does Soriano have a good arm now, Harden is the best pitcher in the major leagues!

I gave you a scenario...

Cubs: 100-62
Cardinals: 97-60

which one would you choose? Would you keep it that way, or would you swap? Or are you not going to answer? Or are you going to give me the 'law of averages' bullshit...

If law of averages held true in baseball, when it mattered, the Cardinals would've been swept a few years ago rather than winning the worst World Series I've ever seen.

Hootie, I'll give you this.

You at least came around today to take your shit kicking.

Alas, it wasn't enough. Like a coked up 18 year old, you just had to present your ass for a gangbang, not realizing that every post you make is like removing a Jenga block from the tower of your own argument.

I laughed out loud when SportsCenter came on at 5 the other day and they showcased Soriano gunning that dude out at home and they were talking about how strong of an arm Soriano has in left field...

and who is better than Harden when Harden is healthy? Yes, Harden is *arguably* the best pitcher in the league (when healthy)...can you really disagree with that? Oh, of course you can, you're a Cardinals, scratch that, jealous, bitter Cardinals fan.

ROFL

OMG That's so funny hamas can we kiss?!

(there jew, I posted it for you, now spare me the fellatio session with your bff)

Soriano gets so many assists because he's challenged so much. Can you disagree with that? Is there anyone who gets run on more often than Soriano? (Discounting Chris Duncan.)

And yes, Harden is one of the top pitchers in the league, but no way is he *arguably* the best in the majors. He's not even the best pitcher on your team, although he's far and away the best #2 in baseball.

Harden is an unbelievable pitcher...he was like that with the A's...he's just extremely injury prone. When he's healthy, there is NO doubt he is better than Big Z...but Big Z is never hurt...

Would I choose Big Z over Harden? Yes, 100 times out of 100...if they are both healthy and I need one to start a must win game...Harden. (With Big Z coming out the pen, of course)...

Harden is up there with guys like Santana, Peavy, Webb, Haren, Sabathia, that, when he's on, he's unhittable. And he's a strikeout machine.

It's statistically insignificant which one I choose, though, as you've presented a classic gambler's fallacy.

Hootie, WTF!
Royals players are better than the Cardinal players?ROFL

He's challenged so much because his zone rating is awful...he misplays a ball a game it seems...

If he caught everything in site and got a good jump here and there, his assists would go down, duh.

All I said, from the very beginning was...he's a lousy fielder (one of the worst) with a great outfield arm. And that's 100% true.

When Anthony Reyes was on he was unhittable. If you're gonna go with that bullshit, Carpenter belongs in that category *gasp* when healthy.

LMAO!

As a fan, as a FAN of a team...you'd choose to have your team choose their destiny...any fan would...without a doubt...take the 97 win team. 100 times out of 100.

You can't answer because you know that, when it comes down to it, and everyone is figuring out who needs to win what to get into the postseason...the loss column becomes more important than the games back column.

Yeah, you can lump Carpenter in with the elite, he won a Cy Young for god's sake...

There are about 15 pitchers who are truly elite, if not a few more...and Harden is one of them.

Look, I found Hootie on YouTube!!

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great, now the n00b is posting youtube videos that will make no one laugh.

Seriously, hamas, if you care about this kid PM him and tell him to stop making himself look like a moron with his 2002 message board antics...seriously. I feel like I should be in high school again.

An exaggeration...swap Pujols and Teahan and I'm taking the Royals though!

And if he could stay healthy, he'd be Tim Lincecum.

You all play the same number of games and there are no ties. It means nothing.

I love Lincecum...lost me money his first game up last year against Cole Hamels...I bet the under at 7.5...thought it was a lock. The game was 4-4 after 3 innings...

He's one of my favorites...him and Volquez...and I've been on the Josh Hamilton bandwagon before the homerun derby made him everyones favorite player :rolleyes:

Hootie,

You can blow hard, yell, scream all you want to how your team is the best in baseball. And they may be but the team has a history of folding under pressure.

For crissakes you won the division last year and lost 3 strraight playoff games and went home. You play how many more games this year against the Bucks and Cards? You finish with 16 out of 22 road games. I wouldn't be thinking its a done deal that you will be raising that WS trophy at Wrigley yet pal.

Why are you trying to put a spin on the scenario? It's stupid...

If you had a choice between the two, you'd take the 97 wins and choose your own destiny...you know it, I know it, it's common sense.

And anyone who played fantasy baseball in the last two years knew how good Hamilton was.

Stop making yourself out to be the new Bill James.

Oh, I certainly don't...

Look at the Cardinals of a few years ago...83 regular season wins...and they get hot and win the World Series...

It's all about being hot at the right time...the Cubs have the best team but I don't give them any more of a 25% shot of winning the World Series this year...the one thing I hate about baseball that cannot be fixed...the best team usually doesn't end up winning the World Series...

In the NBA, the best team almost always win...not quite the same with the NFL, but close. In baseball, all you have to do is get to the postseason and if your pitching is hot, you have a damn good chance of winning it all.

Wonder if todays spanking had anything to do with Edmonds bat toss towards Tony?

There are far more factors involved than that. You are oversimplifying.

Do I have to face Sheets and Sabathia in those five games, or Aaron Cook and Jorge De La Rosa?

Are the games at home or away?

What is the umps' strike zone like?

Does the other team run well, and does mine pitch to contact? Do they work the count? Do their pitchers pound the zone and do my hitters take a lot of 1st pitch strikes?

I don't think I discovered Josh Hamilton for god's sake...I just love watching him play. I rooted for him in Cincinatti after I followed his huge spring last season...took a chance on him in fantasy and it paid off for a month or two and drafted him early this year and it is really paying off. Relax...

It's pretty easy to fix if you go back to pre-'69 expansion of the playoffs, but the league would never do that.

you play against the other 30 teams best 25 players combined...

You're a ****ing moron.

EVERYONE is taking the 97 wins...college football overtime...you choose to play defense first...NFL you choose the ball...EVERYONE would always want to make their own destiny rather than have someone else determine it...IT'S HOW WE WORK.

I always imagined Hootie playing Madden online similar to this:

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I refuse to play madden online on anything other than the regular XBOX, the gameplay on the 360 is unbelievably awful...you have NO control over your players...the movement is choppy and the graphics aren't even that great...

Now, if anyone wants to play some Halo 3...I'm all up for that. I'm a 47 but I can't get past that...tried and tried to reach a 50 but some people are just truly ****ing insane.

TheMeatSauce if anyone wants to add me.

Yeah, because there is a statistical advantage to choosing the ball in the NFL, dipshit.

Funny thing: The Cards needed a win in 2006 to clinch the division on the last day. They determined their own destiny. Did they start Carpenter or a scrub?

They started a scrub, knowing that even if they lost, the other team would still have to win, and if they won or Houston lost, they'd have Carp for game 1 against the Pads.

It's called maximizing your odds.

If you are 101-61 and the other team is 100-60, who has the better odds? Team B has to win twice to win, and once to tie.

There is only one possible outcome where team A loses. It's not like football, that's an apples/oranges comparison.

you can start a poll asking which someone would choose...and 80% or more will choose 97 games because IT'S COMMON SENSE TO CHOOSE YOUR OWN DESTINY...

It's fallacious, and uninformed. It's not destiny.

maybe they have found the weakness in Big Z's pitching.
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After the offense stalled during Friday’s 3-2 loss, it was important for the Cardinals to jump to a quick start against No. 1 Cubs starter Carlos Zambrano. Skip Schumaker didn’t wait, blistering Z’s first pitch of the game for a leadoff double. He would score on a Ryan Ludwick single, and the Cardinals had a 1-0 lead. In his next AB, Schumaker homered to put the Cardinals ahead 2-1, and they led the rest of the way. I don’t know if the scouting reports figured into it, but the numbers show that when opposing hitters attack Zambrano’s first pitch, they can get something done. Zambrano doesn’t have many weaknesses, but when hitters swing and connect on the first pitch, they are hitting .342 against him.

Zambrano throws a fastball on the first pitch nearly 75 percent of the time, but most hitters lay off. Going into Saturday’s game, hitters took the first Zambrano pitch in 73 percent of their at-bats against him. But Schumaker let it rip. And the Cardinals were aggressive early in the count against Z.

Sometimes Skip pisses me off when he does that. In his first four ABs Wednesday, he saw a total of six pitches, and swung five times.

the Cards had Z's number yesterday.... Great to see the Bats exploded....

Go for the series win tonite with Carp. Very good test for him against div leaders.

Yeah, it seems like it's been an entire year of 3-2 or 5-4 games.

So, when is Dumpster going to come back to earth? Anyone actually think he'll pitch this well all season?

But in this case yeaterday it was obvious that the coaches told the players to be swinging at first strikes since they were all swinging at first strike fastballs.

yup.

Is Dusty Baker his hitting coach?

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I'm very thankful that I did not get to watch that game yesterday. I was really hoping to send the Cards 9 back. Oh well at least Dempster is on the mound tonight.

And we have Carpenter back. You guys couldn't even hit Wellenmeyer yesterday. Your team hasn't had very hot bats the last two games have they?

Who is Chris Carpenter?

Just in case you've forgotten the impact Chris Carpenter has had on the Cardinals in recent years, here's a look at some of his highlights:

— He led major-league starters in win percentage from 2004-07: 51-19 (.729)

— He won 2005 Cy Young Award, first Cardinals pitcher to do so since Bob Gibson in 1970.

— He carries a 5-1 postseason record, including three wins in team's 2006 World Series drive.

— The Cardinals won 17 consecutive starts by Carpenter from June 14 to Sept. 13, 2005

— The Cardinals were 20-8 in Carpenter's 2004 starts.

— He needed only 28 starts to win 20 games in 2005, fewest since 1934 and third-fewest in franchise history.

— The Cardinals have lost consecutive starts by Carpenter only seven times in his 94 regular-season starts.

— He had a 13-game win streak from June 3 to Sept. 8, 2005.

— The Cardinals won 288 games, an average 96 per season, with Carpenter available for the majority of the 2004-06 seasons.

And since he's been back after the "Tommy John " surgery.......9 innings pitched....1 earned run. I like our chances tonight if Carp can get to the 7th inning.
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my bet is Cards pound the Dumpster tonite. take series and pickup a game. :D

As soon as the entire Cardinals team comes back down to Earth...

11 games over .500 after 119 games. 43 games left and they will likely not do any worse than .500. Lets say 1 game under, so they have 21 more wins and 22 losses down the stretch and end the season 10 games over at 86-76.

Thats a good solid record. Its not like they are going to win 105 games. They would likely miss the wildcard if they end it 10 games over but that usually would get you in.

They are also doing this while playing in the toughest division in the NL by far.

The starting pitching has done well enough to keep them in games and the hitting has been good enough to win more than they lost.

I know you don't like the Cards but why is it hard to say they have a pretty decent team rather than its a fluke?

Because Hootie is a dumbass. I've tried being civil and reasoning with him, as has Hamas, but there's no getting around it anymore.

Oh, and Hootie, for the record, I have to work tonight. So if the Cards get piss-pounded you don't have to make a remark about where I am tonight.

Lotta time / games left Cubbies to choke it away. I just hate to think the no D Brew Crew can win Division.

About game time. Need to win this thing with Carpenter on the mound.

Dempster is a monster at Wrigley. This is gonna be a tough game.