This is a big test weekend for our QB prospects. Bradford plays Texas and Stafford gets to bounce back against Tennessee. OU is on at 11 on ABC and at 2:30 its Georgia on CBS.

I'd rather not draft any Texas players.

Why not?

Really undisplicned players.

Texas players have high bust rates because they are very poorly coached all throughout college...

I could see that, but I still don't trust Houston, Detroit, or St. Louis if they pick in front of us. Flacco was reached for so all it takes is for another rebuilding franchise to get a hard on for Matt Stafford, similar to us, and he'll be snatched up. We need to reach up and grab a guy we need for once.

DJ is a Texas player and so is Charles, DJ is coming out of his shell and the upside is high on Charles.

Sanchez is way overrated, he should've have picked apart Oregan State like it was nothing, but he choked.

Derrick Johnson is exactly why I don't like Texas players...he should be alot better and a ton more consistent than he is for being in his 4th year.

He's talented yes but he's not been properly coached and was behind the curve on draft day, look where Keith Rivers is already.

Eh, it's his first year as a starter. He didn't have a great game, but no one on USC did. Sanchez came back the next week and dismantled a better team in Oregon.

Still, all performance issues aside, his physical tools are off the charts.

Sanchez is no Sam Bradford. I say we keep sucking until he is ready to leave college and draft Bradford.

Sanchez has much better physical tools than Bradford, and that is undeniable.

Put all the QB talk right here....OK

OURS SUCK

True. As far as physical tools go it's Stafford>Sanchez>Bradford.

MIAdragon has started a thread on Draftplanet2 to keep track of QBs who may go high in the '09 draft, season-long. It's a good one to visit in conjunction with this one. Here's the link:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=193424

I don't care, he had a chance to win it all at Oregan State and he choked

I see Sam Bradford as a Joe Montana type player. He is probably the most accurate of the Big Three QB prospects, who also has a very good feel for the game. He has the pedigree going for him, as well, in that, his Dad played in the NFL. Accuracy is the most important tool for a QB, IMO and Bradford is the most accurate of the three prospects. Accuracy moves the chains.

That's what I was thinking watching him.

Your right he is no Bradford, because Sanchez actually has talent. Bradford is another Chad Pennington... hes accurate and has the heart, he just doesn't have the physical tools.

If you want a bit of comedy go back and read what some people were saying about Matt Ryan in April.

i would take Stafford out of any of the QB's

:spock:

edit: I would LOVE to see that post substantiated.

What are the physical tools he is missing? 6'4" 220lbs. strong arm, extremely accurate, mobile, can throw bullets on the run, reads coverages very well, recognizes key matchups very quickly, can throw the touch pass or the dart..... just curious.

So you're writing him off after one game? That's hysterical. I wonder what you would have thought about John Elway when he came out. "He never even led his team to a bowl game.....NEXT!"

Who is 6'4" and 220?

Bradford

Dude! It was against an unranked opponent, and he was having a good half until the last drive. He choked, period

Really. He looks thinner. Kind of looks like Croyle's build.

Just because Bradford completes 70% of his passes in an offense where he doesn't have to make tough throws does not mean that he's an accurate quarterback. Being accurate in the NFL is a lot more than just getting it to your man, you have to throw the ball in a window, on a bead, and it cannot deviate. NFL receivers don't get 3 yards of separation from DBs.

I haven't seen him throw a 15 yard out or a 20 yard square-in on a frozen rope when one of his WRs is wearing a DB like a cheap suit. It doesn't mean he can't, but to assume he can because he can play pitch and catch against ****ing Baylor is just flat out reeruned.

Bradford is also nowhere near 220 pounds. That's just ridiculous.

Sorry off by 2lbs.


14 Sam Bradford

Class:
Sophomore

Hometown:
Oklahoma City, Okla.

High School:
Putnam City North HS

Height / Weight:
6-4 / 218

Position:
QB

Bradford isn't even the THIRD best QB in the big 12...

Daniel, Harrell and McCoy are all better QBs

ROFL ROFL ROFL

Yes, Chase Daniel is 6 feet tall, and Brodie Croyle weighs 213.

WTF?

Some of those comments convinced me that you have not watched Bradford much. Nothing wrong with assuming that because Oklahoma scores a lot that the QB is only playing pitch and catch..... I will admit I haven't watched much of Sanchez or Stafford so I won't comment on what I think they can or can't do. If the only justification you have of your quick dismissal of Bradford is one game against Baylor, and then calling me reeruned for thinking Bradford is an exceptional Q.B., I am convinced you are just talking to hear yourself speak. Watch his highlight film. Watch the throws. Watch him stand in the pocket and just get nailed after he throws, watch him scan the "D" before and after the snap, watch him throw some touch passes, watch him throw bullets on the run, watch him throw darts to recievers in the middle of the field. Go do some homework and if you are convinced still that Bradford is not a good, solid Q.B. then I will listen to you, if you arent willing to do this first before calling someone reeruned then go back to your little war game with gochiefs and leave reality to others.

There's nothing like a homer with a sand dildo lodged up their birth canal.

Watch this highlight. His first two throws are rock solid. He faces good pressure, takes a hit, and gets rid of the ball.

Now, if you look at the other highlights, it's mainly a collection of receivers with a lot of separation. The WR on the fade route to the right corner of the endzone had more separation than anyone I've ever seen get on that route.

At :58 he has a massive pocket and no pass rush, and throws over the middle to a WR who had a 3 yard cushion from the DB who only closed once the ball was already there.

Next play: Slant, wide open receiver.

Last play: huge pocket, lobs it to 18, who is almost uncovered and he tears away.

These aren't hard throws.

If you want to see a QB making tough ass throws, go back and watch Stafford play against Alabama. His receivers had no separation, he was constantly harassed, and was throwing across his body and on the run almost the whole night.

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Look at this highlight reel for further clarification.

Huge pockets, all day to throw, and receivers who are getting huge separation from DBs.

Those four throws against Mizzou...anyone could make those.

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Nice soundtrack. Is that the English cast recording of Les Miz?

I believe it's "Oh Africa, Brave Africa". It was a laugh riot.

ROFL

I could go through all his games, if I chose to, and find replays that would make him look like a total schmuck or the second coming. that one minute and twenty eight second clip can't possibly give you enough information to say he is or is not a good quarterback. When he won the starting job last year I thought the coaches had lost their minds... starting a redshirt freshman??? In the Big 12??? No game experience and he is starting over some blue chip recruits??? All he has done since is game after game prove to Sooner fans that the decision was the right one. He is a very good quarterback. You and I, as far as I know have never had a conversation of any kind and yet you resort to things like this ....

"There's nothing like a homer with a sand dildo lodged up their birth canal."

You, sir, are deserving of being turned over your mamma's knee and belted for such childish behavior.

I don't need to do that, if you say he is a good quarterback and makes tough throws I have no reason to doubt you. I certainly wouldn't resort to name calling because we have differing opinions of a college quarterback. Stafford gets a lot of play in media and there are a lot of fans touting him, I have no reason to doubt that what you say can be backed up by stats and highlights... why is it so hard for you to be as objective about Bradford?

Dude, unless you get some thicker skin, there is just no way you are going to last around here.

First of all, I've never said that Bradford can't or won't be a successful NFL QB. I suggest that you read the thread.

What I have said, repeatedly, is that people can't look at his college stats as a good indicator of how he'll project to the pros. He has tons of time to throw, and his wide receivers get a shit ton of separation. The only thing I can do on here is show clips of that. I'm not going to order OU game footage and break it down like the Zapruder film, but I have seen him play, and I can tell you that he hasn't had to make NFL throws because of the talent around him and the dearth of talent across from him.

Bradford is going to become the new Oher, you just watch.

Bradford is extremely accurate. I don't get that from his stat-line, I get it from watching him play. He makes good decisions, goes through reads, and when he faces pressure he still makes good throws.

Stafford has a lot to like as well. However, he is not as accurate as Bradford. And at Alabama he looked like trash, probably because he was running around trying to make something happen. But on his int, he just lobbed it up into triple coverage. That's not good decision making.

One of the reasons why Stafford isn't as accurate is because his mechanics aren't as refined as Bradford's. Bradford has excellent mechanics for a college QB, but Stafford has far more natural physical ability. He's bigger, more mobile, and he has a cannon for an arm. If he works on his footwork and tweaks his throwing motion, there is no reason not to believe he can't be a Carson Palmer-type quarterback.

The ONLY area Stafford has Bradford hands down beat is arm strength.

Their builds are quite comparable:
Stafford is 6'3" 230
Bradford is 6'4" 220

Their 40 times are quite comparable:
Stafford 40 - 4.7
Bradford 40 - 4.64

Hell, their names are quite comparable:
Stafford: City in Britain
Bradford: City in Britain

Bradford throws on the move just as well, from what I've seen, as Stafford. I can't wait to see their Wonderlic scores.

And Bradford is only 1 1/2 years into a starting Q.B. position in one of the toughest conferences in college football. He already has excellent mechanics? I would say he has a lot of potential to be a great one, wouldn't you? Maybe his accuracy has something to do with his receivers looking like they are wide open constantly, I looked at the highlights you posted and one thing I noticed from them is that he rarely puts a ball where a defender can get it. (only 3 INT's this yr) He tends to lead his receiver away from the defender, puts a ball where the receiver isnt slowing down to catch it, uses strength passes and touch passes extremely well, and in those same highlights I saw him make some throws you said he doesn't make. Who is to say whether Stafford or Bradford is the better Q.B. and why even bother debating it.

My only point is that I have watched him for 1 1/2 yrs., and to answer your comment..... yes, I have seen him throw a 15 yard out and 20yrd square in on a frozen rope. And I have seen him put the ball in a hole between two and three defenders covering the receiver like a cheap suit.

Dude I am as big of a Bradford fan there is but Bradford is no way as big as Stafford. Its not even close.

Got that from the NCAA site. Didn't use the Sooner stat site, but they list him as 6'5". More inclined to believe the stretched 6'4"(more inclined to believe 6'2"-6'3') stat, as for his weight they list him at 218... probably pretty close, I stand 6'2" and weigh 235ish. Standing next to him I don't notice any glaring differences in our sizes other than his flatgut and my beergut.:rolleyes:

Well, I am not a member of the commission of weights and measures, so I have to go with what the NCAA tells me.

Just look at them, Stafford is atleast 20-25lbs heavier than Bradford is...

And I've still yet to see Bradford make NFL throws, I also don't believe he has a great arm it's average to above average.

I tend to agree with the dude who said he's like Pennington, Pennington before the shoulder problems. Pennington was an awesome college QB cause he just lofted the ball to Moss who no one could cover, Bradford looks awesome cause he gets to make easy throws all game.

I like your sig. I'd totally hit that.

Dear God give me Sam Bradford in next years draft. :hail:

You guys really need to stop favoring players because they play in the local conference.

I totally agree.

I agree that Stafford is th better prospect. But after reading up on Bradford, he's a helluva an athlete.

He may not go high but the guy has a winning mentality. I like that about him.

I just want to see Bradford make some NFL caliber of throws, his learning curve becomes giant if he never has to make any of them. I think that may be what has happened to Leinart he played with such great players he rarely had to make tough throws.

As long as we have Herm, Bradford(Pennington) probably would be the best fit. I'm hoping we get rid of herm and get the better QB in Stafford though.

Bradford Vs. Stafford. Very similar sounding names. Years ago the Chiefs were picking 3rd in the draft. They had a choice between two equally highly touted LBs by the same last name. Wisely or by sheer luck, they chose Derrick over Brodrick. Their last name, of course was Thomas. Call this a gut feeling only, but I think Stafford is Brodrick to Bradford's Derrick. What I have seen so far (admittedly limited) reinforces that feeling.

Hamas, I think you just described predraft assessments of Ryan Leaf vz. Peyton Manning.

LOL..um neither Leaf or Manning were/are mobile.....and Manning had NFL size and a good arm.

If Stafford had anyone besides Moreno around him he'd look all world. When I watch him play I see a stud NFL QB.

Big 12 and people are looking at stats, just like they did with Ryan, oh he has 17 INT's.

That would be awesome. We can draft Oher or Maleauga with our own high first and Bradford with our second first round pick that I'm predicting we will have by draft time.

We have no possible way of getting another 1st round pick, put down the crack pipe.

Oh who knows what will happen from here on out? Maybe trading LJ and Gonzo (I'm biting my lip here) as a package will get us that. Maybe there'll be a situation where we can trade our 2 through 7 too for another 1st. Three 1sts and nothing else. Oher, Maleauga and Bradford baby!.... OK, OK, I'm putting it down. :p

I hate to sound like a dick but I don't think Frankie has ever been right about anything on this board.

Sound like?!

I, for one, am not looking at stats. I have never said Bradford is a better quarterback than __________. (fill in the blank with whoever) I AM an OU fan. Have watched as many of their games as I can. In the last few years I have watched Josh Heupel, Nate Hybil, Jason White, and Paul Thompson behind center, and even in Jason Whites Heisman run have never really thought any of them would be a top prospect in the NFL. Just didn't see any of them as leaders on an NFL stage. With Bradford I can see that extra "something". Can't explain it, and don't know what that "something" is. But I see a difference in him that I didn't see in any of the others. he doesn't get rattled, he stands in the pocket knowing he is about to get blasted and still makes the throw, he can throw on the run in a roll out or bootleg, and guys, I have seen him put a ball in a shoebox sized gap to his receiver, more importantly I see him week after week make throws that are impressive. So impressive that at times it looks like he is just out there playing pitch and catch with his receivers. Isn't that one of the best qualities a quarterback can have??? One that makes it look easy??? Very seldom have I seen him under/over throw a receiver. He is accurate enought to knock a maggot off a turd at thirty yards, he makes it look easy and you guys are saying that is the reason he wont be successful in the NFL?? I am not basing my opinion of him on stats, or being a homer, just as a fan watching him week after week control games, play smart, make throws, and never try to force throws he knows he shouldn't make. Bradford quite simply is a very, very, very good quarterback.

Oh that explains it, every Mizzou fan I talk to thinks Chase Daniel could be the first QB taken too.

This is what I don't understand. I have only said I would like to see Bradford in a Chiefs uni. Never said he should be first, third, or 259th player picked in the draft, never said he is better than Stafford, Daniel, Sanchez, or Bubba Ballthrower.... All I have said and will continue to say is that he is an elite quarterback and I would like to see him playing for us. Nothing controversial and yet I continue to get blasted and ridiculed. Makes a lot of sense to me.

That's nonsense. Bradford is going to be good in the NFL, quit acting like you're any better judge of QBs than anyone else.

Are you new here?

Mecca knows all.

We know nothing.

I hvae'nt seen enough of Bradford to make a judgement, but from what I have seen, his WRs seem to always be running wide open, but like I said, I haven't seen much.
Stafford on the other hand, I have seen. He looks like a stud to me.

We should also seriously consider Pat White, assuming Daniel is already off the board at the #2 overall pick. Running the option full time...championship.

If alot of the draft sites werent high on Bradford, I would believe the Big 12 homerism on him.

I can understand and appreciate that comment. The only times I have really seen Stafford is during the weekly recaps and highlight shows. As I am certain is how you are seeing Bradford as well. Any quarterback should be able to hit a wide open receiver and if he is from a big school those plays will make it to the highlight reels. But there is a lot that goes on during a game that we don't see on the recap shows and those are the things I am impressed with about Bradford. I am sure you have seen those things from Stafford and that is the reason you are as sold on him as I am on Bradford. That's cool. I have no reason to doubt what you are saying about Stafford, but like you, I have a favorite. Some on this board would rather ridicule and wear blinders than just simply talk and discuss. I still think Bradford will make a very good NFL QB and I hope we get him. Stafford sounds like he may be a good one as well, I wont argue that.

Miami's been using the Wildhog formation with some success, maybe we could do the same next year with White, Charles, and LJ.

You are so full of shit....I've never said that!:cuss:

I don't think he'll be drafted till the 6th rd if that