He only owes that money if Shanahan doesn't get a job. If he gets a job he pays the remaining portion.

Also the $7 million dollars market value was Mike being HC and GM. Here he would only be HC

That $7 million is market price for being the GM AND coach. He wount be getting the GM role, so his price will go down considerably.

Have faith. It will happen.

I think it's happening too. I don't care if Mort is coming off of his report, I've thought for a while that Mike is obsessing over this job.

You have to know that his treatment by Al Davis was night and day different than by Bowlen, don't you? Davis badmouthed him, lied about him, fired him without a fair chance, and never paid what he was owed. Bowlen - not so much.

I don't think it'll be much less than $6 million.

Herm was paid $4 million and he didn't coordinate a unit that won a Super Bowl or coach a team that won two.

Herm was overpaid. I think $5 million per year will land Shanahan.

It's gonna happen only a matter of time.

There are only 2 coaching jobs that are vacant right now, KC and Oakland. No way he goes to Oakland. He is ours.

Especially if the contract is structured in the following fashion:
Y1 2MM (plus 4.5MM from Donks)
Y2 2MM(plus 4.5MM from Donks)
Y3 2MM (plus 4.5MM from Donks)
Y4 8.5MM
Y5 8.5MM

we need someone to fix herms mess

Excuse me, but that doesn't even make sense. Shanahan WANTS the GM role as well. The coaching job without the GM job is LESS desirable. Logic would dictate that you would have to pay him MORE to take that job than the one he really wants.

Which goes back to my original question - why on earth would Shanahan do that? What the hell does he owe the Hunts that he'd destroy his relationship with Bowlen for them?

this teams woes were 75-80% coaching. Get a good coach in here and the mess will be cleaned up fast.

A) Pioli worked closely with BB to the point of practically splitting GM duties with regard to personnel.
B) See: CONTRACT STRUCTURE
C) Still gets to crush Oakland.

Bowlen could well have done that the day he fired him over Bob Slowik.

Him not coaching at all puts Bowlen in a much worse situation. The fact is, that contract would be great for all three parties. Chiefs pay shanny 5MM per year. Shanny makes out like a bandit and Bowlen pays out LESS than he would have had shanny not taken the job at all.

Bowlen just slapped Shannarat around by hiring a 32 year old coach. What loyalty does he owe Bowlen.

He could want to take the year off. I just don't think he does. I think he's salivated over this job from the start. He was contacted by 17 teams per ESPN a week after he was fired.

I'd be surprised to see a Super Bowl coach agree to a contract for less than $6 million per, especially with the increasing revenue generated from the stadium upgrades.

If he went to Dallas, he'd probably ask for $9 million.

:evil:

See my earlier post quoting Shanahan's very own words regarding that.

By the way - if Slowik really means that much to Shanahan, then that means he'll be the Chiefs DC in a package deal, right? You're more than welcome to him. ROFL

Wanting and having offers to be GM are two different things. What I said makes perfect sense.

He would only have ONE ROLE as HEAD COACH, not TWO ROLES as GM AND HEAD COACH. One is LESS THAN TWO-simple ****ing math and simple logic.

But that's not the job he wants. Get it? Unless you think he's desperate to get the Chiefs job...

Climb down off the ledge orange. You rationale is becoming skewed by your hatred of the Chiefs. It seems fairly obvious that NO line of reasoning could possibly convince you he would come to KC. I am not sold yet that he will be the HC, but it is a distinct possibility.

According to Sports Business Daily, the average annual salary for an NFL head coach is $2.5 million per year.

Dream on, dude!

I also don't hate the Chiefs, but I'm not going to dig back through nine years of posts to show you - just take my word for it.

And Mike Shanahan is not an "average NFL head coach."

I'm not doubting you, but I do doubt the validity of that source.

Vermeil was earning $3.5 million per year; Herm $4 million per. I have a hard time believing that KC was paying well above market value.

Do you even know what AVERAGE means in this context? It means they take all of the coaches salaries and divide by 32 and come up with the AVERAGE annual income. Nobody ever said he was average-you've gone off the ****ing deep end.

I got it from Forbes.

So orange, by your rationale, the only way Shanahan would coach in KC is if the Chiefs are paying the majority of his salary? Bowlen owes him roughly $7 million a year. So, using your gorilla math strategy he will only coach in KC if he is paid $15 million a year so the Chiefs pick up the majority of his salary? That sounds reasonable.

You are right. He is below average.

You mean THIS article in Forbes?

It's clear that winning brings more pay, but does higher pay mean results? According to Sports Business Daily, the average annual salary for an NFL head coach is $2.5 million per year.

The one from 2003?


NFL's Highest-Paid Coaches
Ari Weinberg and Davide Dukcevich, 01.24.03, 12:00 PM ET

http://www.forbes.com/2003/01/24/cx_aw_0124coaches.html

Stuff like this always blows my mind, to not want someone due to where they were before is just dumb.

No, actually I think $8 or $9 million would do it. Less if he gets control of personnel decisions.

No it was more recent than that. I'll see if I can find it, again.

I don' wan him because he has been nothing more than an average coach since horseface retired.

If you can find one that shows that coaches' salaries haven't gone up in six years, that would be pretty astounding. I'd have to question their methodology, myself - maybe a letter to the editor. :rolleyes:

With Nick Saban earning more than $4 million at Alabama and Urban Meyer in the $5 million dollar range, I find it difficult to believe that NFL coaches are earning less than their college counterparts.

I find it interesting that most Broncos fans approved of Bowlen' decision to let Shanahan go. Did the fans question why Shanahan was fired abruptly? Do you think Shanahan was asked to give up GM duties? When he refused, Bowlen let him go?

TIA

Is anyone else buying the Chiefs official's claim to Mort tonight that there is essentially no chance Shanahan ends up in KC?

I'm not buying this at all, especially given the fact, per Mort's earlier reporting that an NFL official has claimed Clark has been targeting Shanahan for a few weeks now.

The denial from the Chiefs official sounds like a last ditch smokescreen.

It's a poor smokescreen IMO, and I expect Shanny will be named no later than Monday.

I think it was time for a change. After the three-game collapse and all.

I was personally surprised by the firing - only because I expected Shanahan to resign.

And... there has been a constant drumbeat on local radio/media for making Shanahan give up personnel control for years. The failure of Moss and Crowder this year brought it to a crescendo.

I doubt that, next week is super bowl week

Just got back, can someone tell me the latest? Is he in the plans or not?

This is how crazy it is (from ESPN.com's wire services):

ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen reports the Chiefs have targeted former Broncos coach Mike Shanahan to replace Edwards as their next coach, according to league sources.

One source claims there have been negotiations with Shanahan and that a deal was near but another said Chiefs owner Hunt has targeted Shanahan without a clear-cut result.

Shanahan could not be reached for comment and has not responded to text message inquiries. A Chiefs spokesman had no comment.

An NBC-TV affiliate in Kansas City reported Shanahan as a possibility at midweek but a team source and a source close to Shanahan either denied or downplayed the story. A Chiefs official told Mortensen on Friday night that he did not believe Shanahan would be the team's next coach. The official fell short of entirely ruling it out.

Adam Schefter of the NFL Network, who once covered the Broncos and co-authored a book with Shanahan, is reporting that there is no chance he will be the next Chiefs coach.

A league official noted that there was "no way" the Chiefs could be negotiating or near a deal with Shanahan because the team must comply with the Rooney Rule that requires interviewing minority candidates. The source said Hunt would be the last owner not to comply.

However, a league source said that Hunt has focused on Shanahan after hiring Scott Pioli as the team's general manager. The source said Hunt did research on the last 19 coaches who have been hired in the NFL and determined their average salary to range between $2 million and $3 million, which would be an acceptable proposal by the NFL Management Council. Broncos owner Pat Bowlen would be obligated to pay the balance of Shanahan's three-year contract at approximately $6.5 million per year.

You know as much as anyone not named Clark, Scott, or Ratface.

Hey, what the hell ... how did my sig change? Where did that come from?

Believe the league sources and not the Chiefs' team source

Damn! WTF?!

Here's a list of NFL Coaches Salaries:

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/SalariesNFLCoaches.htm

I think I would prefer someone younger (Bowles, Haley) only because Shanahan's record over the last 3 years is really not that much better than Herm's...24-24 compared to 15-33

If we get this asshole and don't at least go 10-6 NEXT yr. Then we should can his ass. **** Shanahan. He will have ZERO room for error.

According to my math that's an average of $3.2 million in salary for NFL Head Coaches. Take away the GM money for some of those guys and, it's exactly like I stated.

watching schlereth he sounded like at least in his mind shannahan will be coaching the chiefs (sorry if this has already been discussed)

he'll take less to do more work? Right...

The source is correct and Mort talked about that in his story about the Chiefs. The last 19 head coaches hired in the NFL have made between $2-3 million dollars

3.2 = 2.5
New math, I guess.

p.s. Who's #2 on that list? Just so I'm sure I'm not misreading it.

Of course, if you think he'll take the same salary as #16, so be it... I can't change your mind.

Yes, exactly, absolutely. You got it.

Because he will have the POWER...

I disagree with that. If Shanahan wants THE power, he won't be coaching in KC...if he wants to coach, he'll get paid a coaches salary...if he wants both, a team will have to offer him money for both positions...

Shanahan isn't going to do $7M work (coach and GM) for $5M just because he gets the "power"...

Here is the stat

Herm made $3m, not 4. He signed a 4 year, 12 mil deal anyway.

Again, some of those coaches aren't just being paid to be coaches and that HAS TO BE taken into consideration. $750,000 is on the low end for a GM, no? Well that's the difeerence in the numbers I posted. So yea, the numbers are right on the money.
There's also an article in this very THREAD that states EXACTLY what I said posted by another person, that states the average wage for NFL coaches.
Sorry, that you actually believe Shanahan will costs $8-9 million per year, but that's far from being accurate because he will be Head Coach ONLY and it doesn't cost that much, no matter how much you wish it so.

Holmgren still made $8 million - even after they took away the GM duties. :doh!:

When did you hear this?

Yep. If anyone thinks that the Chiefs are going to pay a HC $8-9 million a year they are smoking some good shit.

IMO the Chiefs won't pay over $4 million. Pioli is rumored to be making around $5 million so they won't be making that especially since Clark said the other day in the interview that he believes GM is more important than head coach.

That was from the ESPN article - and is exactly the scenario I'm disputing (if you go back many pages). There is no reason Shanahan would go along with that. He doesn't owe the Hunts any salary relief, and he has no reason to screw Bowlen.

I'm sure that's the only way they could keep him on another year and most likley he was forced to resign.

It also now LOWERS the average since he isn't coaching. BTW.:D

... But that was the price for a head coach with a top reputation. Sorry.

ROFL

You mean the guy who just FIRED HIM?

I'll bet you won't find many coaches who agree.

You got it all wrong. He won't be screwing Bowlen he will be helping him.

If Shanahan doesn't coach this year Bowlen owes him $7 million dollars. If Shanahan coaches and gets a salary of $3.5 million Bowlen only owes him the other half which is $3.5.

Seems in the sports world, breaking stories is becoming more important that getting to the truth. Only a third rate sports reporter would string a rumor along -- The sports reporter with integrity, would tell you that there's no confirmation to the rumor, but we're working to clear it up.

I have a feeling ESPN is looking for instant gratification -- Fired today, hired today. The first media outlet to move onto the next story. But, don't let facts get in the way of a feel good story.

My guess, ESPN is sick and tired of being out-scooped by Jay Glazer and Adam S. (sp) Just my opinion.

No. That's the price for a top coach who's also a GM. HUGE DIFFERENCE.

Do I have to post everything twice?

But ultimately, most of his sentiments were saved for Bowlen. As he mentioned the owner's name, Shanahan had to pause more than once to collect himself.

"It's tough because he's a great friend," he said. "He'll always be my great friend. The best owner in sports. I appreciate every opportunity he gave me to be successful. You have to make tough decisions in any organization, and Pat made a tough decision. . . . I've got no problem with it."

I don't care about canned press conference statements.

So he should go in there and say Bowlen's a ****tard and I hate this prick-yea, that happens everyday. Geez, this Shanahan thing has ruffled your feathers.

That's not true. Bowlen is perfectly content to pay him the $7 million. Paying him to coach a competitor is an entirely different matter. I'm sure you can see that if you think about it a moment.

what do gm's think about it??

orange is clearly completely flustrated with the idea that Mike Shanahan might coach the Chiefs while the Broncos pay for it.

True but that is the way the media as a whole is anymore with the 24-hour news cycle.

BTW what did you have for lunch the other day?