I think Herm would make a fine secondary coach.

Today, not many. I think 12 at most.

I blame Hootie. Seriously.

And although he's normally "okay" in the game chat, he was completely unbearable today.

That is a fair take Hamas.

But in all honesty I don't think Sanchez was ever in the mind Pioli. During his very first pc he said Matt was a special person and player. I knew right then he would be our QB.

It's 'cause he went country.

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I agree.

But Pioli's scope has been pretty ****ing narrow thus far.

Thanks. I'll check it out next week.

While it was nice to watch the Chiefs win, it would have been much nicer without all the obnoxious noise coming from his direction.

Regardless of whether or not he was "in his mind", he's a player. A player at the most important position. One which the Chiefs didn't have and had access to. And he sought another player. That has to be considered in the evaluation of him.

Just a little....err.... a lot of revisionist history there.

Looks like this thread lost it's burst.....

I didn't back away from it. To prove your point, I have to comb through threads and find the exact page where the thread swerved. I'm not going to do that and it's unreasonable to expect me to.

And as I've said many times, the blame goes both ways. Pro Sanchez and anti-Sanchez. I've never said that pro Sanchez supporters are the only ones doing this.

It's not hyperbolic at best. Milkman brought up the point that anytime anybody did a critique of Cassel, there was always a Sanchez supporter to swerve the thread into a comparison to Sanchez. I don't see why I have to do the research on that when it's completely common sense.

And I don't see why I have to do the research on the idea that Sanchez supporters didn't use every available opportunity to point out on a ton of threads the comparison between Sanchez vs. Cassel when Sanchez was 2-0 and Cassel was 0-1, and Sanchez was 3-0 and Cassel was 0-2.

I don't care if you think it's a cop-out. I think it's a huge waste of time to search for a half hour to argue against a common sense claim. If you honestly believe that any "pro Sanchez" discussion came about because they were baited by an anti-Sanchez person, that's a pretty one-sided accusation.

Very true.

I don't have a problem with that. But at the same time I think Pioli should be given time to build his team without people freaking out. But today's NFL fan has very little patience.

Did Manning throw 5 picks in a game his rookie year?:hmmm:

That is absolutely not true. Milkman said every time he critiqued Cassel someone jumped his nuts about wanting Sanchez.

Sanchez went to a dream situation. Even today, he had 200 yards of run support and still managed to lose the game.

Unheard of. Five picks, ahead most of the game, and 200 yards of run support? Crazy.

He is a rookie, and he will get better.... but if the Chiefs had drafted Sanchez.... they would be 0-6 and Sanchez would look like a bust.

ironic coming from the guy who is fifty pounds overweight...old? wanna wager I'm in better shape twenty years older?

people who like/dislike Elvis:

Eleventy billion>100

Exactly.

False choice. No one would argue that he should start behind this line. He's too young.

This description of the situation is spot on. This.

Shame the NFL is locking up the doors for good after the 2009 season.

Except it's predicated upon poor reading comprehension that gets what milkman said 100% incorrect.

WTFE

My bad. I misread.

Except there are several of us that claim otherwise, yet he won't take the time to back his claim.

Do you recall any Sanchez-backer, other than RoR, that started shit-flinging threads in the first 3 weeks of the season, as Zilla claims?

dude it should...


Sanchez is a Jet and Castle is a Chief...

So now we get to listen to everyone jack each other off about who is right or wrong...

Typical.. Lots of gayness in this thread...

Someone posted this earlier and I totally agree with it. I am wondering if Pioli's thought process was that no rookie QB could survive rebuilding with this team and he knew Cassel could handle adversity and the pressure.

Whoops.

Regardless of what the post was predicated on, it's entirely accurate in the description of what is going on around here.

Quite frankly, I really don't give a shit anymore. I'll admit that I did want Stafford or Sanchez come draft day. But when Cassel was traded to KC, I knew the odds of getting either one was slim to none.

But the reality is, the Chiefs have Cassel, and they don't have Sanchez, so discussing about "what if" is irrevelent anyways.

I do wish Sanchez the best in his professional career, except when he plays Kansas City.

We'll see how this all goes, but so far, Cassel is light years better than Sanchez. It isn't even close.

that's pretty much it...Pioli liked how he waited behind good qb's and then took the reigns when he finally had the chance..dude got hit almost forty times last week..he's a fighter.

what's funny is the immediate success/dailure rate imposed on both qb's..both have just become starting qb's.... both paths will have ups and downs...six games, good or bad, don't tell us squat..most of this fervor is wasted energy.

Because it's ****ing annoying to ask someone to comb through 6 months of threads to comb through the exact page on a 100 page thread to figure out the exact moment Sanchez's name was mentioned in the context of a Sanchez vs. Cassel comparison.

I've said the shit flinging has gone both ways. Do you really believe that the pro Sanchez supporters for 6 months have been baited every single time by the anti Sanchez crowd? I've never even said one's more to blame than the other. I think it's annoying from both sides of the spectrum.

I don't think that was it. I think if Pioli thought a rookie QB was going to be great, then he would have drafted them.

I just think he knew stafford would be gone and there wasn't another franchise QB in the draft.

Sanchez and Cassel are pretty similar as far as actual talent goes..... so why get the rookie with a #5, when you can get a more experienced guy with the second round pick?

While history says that Cassel won't win a Super Bowl for us, I hope to hell he sure proves us wrong. I just think trading for a career backup was the wrong move and history proves it is.

Pretty unfair to call a guy a career backup because he backed up the best QB in the NFL. Aaron Rodgers was a career backup until last year too.

And history proves that drafting QBs with the amount of experience that Sanchez has never pays off either.

Every time? Hell no. I never claimed that.

But more often than not.

I don't recall myself, Hamas, Mecca, Dane, Milkman, etc starting "baiting" threads, but I can't say that about the anti-Sanchez folks.

Huge sample size you're working with there.

It's happened, what, once, before Sanchez?

I agree and I think this whole argument is stupid and a waste of time and bandwidth.

That stat line I heard about Cassel getting hit on like 95% of his passes is just crazy. Not many QB's could handle the punishment that he has received.

WTF, he never played in college either. It is what he is, a career backup until Pollard ****ed up last year.

This is actually the first baiting thread about Sanchez that I can remember, other than RoR's usual bullshit.

Has this been happening often?

I have seen several posts though about Sanchez in threads about other subjects, some from the people you mentioned.

Don't be so obtuse.

Surely you can draw the reference to other junior QBs who came out. You are right though, Sanchez did have even less experience than them.

There have been several. Otter started one a few weeks ago that I remember specifically.

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I have seen several posts though about Sanchez in threads about other subjects, some from the people you mentioned.[/QUOTE]

This is the big picture.

I don't think he is talking about STARTING threads. He is talking about posts within threads.

Cool, I haven't been on here much lately, because I am tired of reading the same bullshit in every single thread. I must have missed Otter's thread.

You're a wiser man than I am, Gunga Din.

This is true for the most part, though I do think there is some Pioli baiting that goes around

Funny how you know exactly who the Sanchez lovers are without being asked.

First off, what "history" is this that says that Cassel won't win a Super Bowl or that this "history" proves that trading for a backup was a wrong move? Especially considering that we got a perennial Pro Bowl linebacker along with our starting QB. I'm a little confused as to how you think that this was a wrong move, especially basing it on a "historical" perspective.

Actually, watching our second round pick this year (Cassel and Vrabel), I don't see how the trade was anything but a very good to excellent move at the least. It gave the team the opportunity to be more competitive on both sides of the ball sooner rather than later. As well, while not the most flashy of picks, it looks like the Jackson pick was solid, considering the near night and day difference in the run defense from last season to this one. At the end of last season, it might have been a toss up between which was worse - the O line or the D line.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...hlight=sanchez

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http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...hlight=sanchez

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And one from....you.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...hlight=sanchez

This place has become the Special Olympics of football message boards except everyone is a genius instead of a reerun.

Yeah, I'm a perceptive one.

How many 7th round QBs have won a Super Bowl? Go look at the stats of Super Bowl winning QBs, its posted on here.

Didn't realize we were going all the way back to May.

More often than not, it's not any of you guys.

Oh, those are just the threads with Sanchez in the title.

And FWIW, the only thread started by a "Sanchez-backer" was by RoR, as was claimed earlier.

If not us, who?

However, several of those threads you quoted were threads started to pimp him. The one by billay and the one by Donger definitely were.

It's not like every thread, like this one, is started to bait the usual crowd.

Oh, BULLSHIT.

Donger acts innocent, but that was as obvious a bait thread as there is.

And billay? Are you ****ing kidding me? Deez hit the nail on the head in the 3rd post.

That's like claiming that Hootie started this thread as praise for Sanchez.

Good ****ing God, I'm glad I wasn't around the computer when this thread was going hot and heavy.

Every thread Donger starts is trolling. Trust me, that's why he did it.

Dude, I didn't even read the threads. I simply read the thread starters to the links you provided. Calm the **** down. Seriously.

How many 7th rounders have been given the keys to a franchise? Half the battle is proving yourself worthy of an opportunity. Cassel did that

I think a better idea would be to look at career backups who actually were handed the keys...like Cassel

The Good:
Kurt Warner
Tom Brady
Trent Green
Jake Delhomme
Mark Brunell
Matt Hasselbeck


The Bad:
Derek Anderson
Scott Mitchell
David Garrard
Tony Romo
Rob Johnson

Warner and Brady are tough to categorize but they could have ended up 1 year wonders

TBD: Kyle Orton (if extended), Matt Cassel

Id try to come up with a better list but Im lazy

Brady started his 2nd year in the league, thats not career backup.

ok... but he was never considered the future....Bledsoe was

Wrong

please explain

6th round pick. I doubt they thought he was going to become what he has.

You wanna see a Sanchez bait...Sensible trying to pull one in the Hali/Vrabel thread.

Aaron Brooks
Marc Bulger
Elvis Grbac
Steve Bono
Jeff Hostetler
Gus Frerotte
Tommy Maddox
Bubby Brister


Some other career backups.

Wrong again.

I take it that you haven't read the books about the Patriots?

They expected him to start by year three, IIRC.

I truly think its asinine that posters like Mecca, Hamas, et al aren't seen as Chiefs fans by a sizable percentage of this board. Some of you honestly believe that the primary motivation behind their posts is "being right," and being able to tell people "I told you so." You see them as not being fans of the Chiefs, and thus you see them as an enemy. Nevermind that their fanatical devotion to the team is quite evident, nevermind that to muster up the anger that they can is evidence of considerable passion for the team.

thank you...

Add Rich Gannon to the good

Maddox wasn't given an extention, was he? Id argue that Frerotte was never given such a role

You leach. LMAO

You are the one that tried to say that Sancez was playing as well as Cassel.

Without taking into consideration the disparity in talent around him.

Sorry, but even the most mediocre QB's should be able to win a game when the running back gets over 200 yards rushing.

He will get better, but that was pathetic. And, with as much as you talk him up... I figured you should at least acknowlege his failure today.

Perhaps I missed it.

Rich Gannon was a starter in Washington and Minnesota before coming to KC.

And a few years doesn't make it "career".

as evidence by the 10 year, 100 million dollar contract Bledsoe signed in 2001?

I was defending myself with that post, too.

difference between starter and future of the franchise

Read the books.

And it didn't seem to hurt their cap since they traded him the very next season.