2. He's not comfortable with his defensive coordinator? We'd agree that the "D" is probably the biggest area of concern, right?

In theory, the punt was exponentially worse.

But the execution of the FG, oh my the ****ing execution, might put Zorn's fake over the top.

Still, if I'm the GM of either of those teams, there would be little hope of me not being on the sideline after such stupidity, or destroying a club suite at the very least.

Whoa, whoa. You can't judge Clancy on one season.

True. He's only working with, what?, 4 first rounders, a 2nd, and two 3rds.

What the **** do you want from a guy with 7 day-one picks? That's practically handing 300 ****ing yards to Harrison.

Continuity? You want to continue with this bumble****? What in the world are you watching on Sundays?

Between the fake punts on 4th down on your own 28 to the dumbshit onside kicks to overall horrific playcalling to the constant shuffling of players in and out of the lineup, you want this dumbass to return?

The same dumbass who refuses to put his best and most talented players on the field each and every Sunday because when they make a mistake, they go in his "dog house" for half the season?

That's the continuity your seeking?

Bullshit. He only had a few weeks less than most of the new hires. Are you telling me that even though he's had a long history with most of these coaches, he would have found better with just a few extra weeks?

and for shits...

Fairness? What the **** is that? Loyalty? Are you 75 years old?

There's no such thing in today's professional sports world (College, too).

Win, or get the **** OUT.

Clancy's had more than 1 year on the job.

Is that why his tenure has seemed so long in KC?

Here I thought I'd suffered through only 14 games...Well, I feel better now.

:)

No.

It's called Due Diligence.

A great owner would have scoured the league for a player personnel guru like Eric DeCosta. He would have paid insane money for Chris Polian. He would have found a guy like Tom Dimitroff.

He wouldn't taken a poll, found out the name of the hottest candidate and guaranteed him a five year contract.

One look at Pioli's draft record should be an indication. Another indication would be that he wasn't the GM at New England. Another would be the fact that he allowed Haley to go unchecked this season and hire Clancy Pendergast, keep Tim Krumrie, cut Bernie Pollard, fire Chan Gailey the week before the season started and so on and so forth.

GREAT owners, owners with RINGS on their fingers, do NOT allow their people to go UNCHECKED.

Unfortunately, the Hunt family allows "their people" to go unchecked for decades at a time.

I agree with so much of the frustration, sometimes its impossible for me to argue a straight faced single word... the Heat is on in KC & i'm def pro Heat, this isnt any fun for me either... but 1 year? after all of this? yet another rebuild?

I'll get more specific with all kinds of gaudy stats & bold predictions to back that later... bedtime for bonzo.

Decosta wasnt leaving Baltimore. Period. Might as well not even bring him up.

Chris Polian was gonna succeed his dad and everyone knew it. No way he was gonna up and leave that organization. NO CHANCE. Same as Decosta.

Tom Dimtroff was in charge of all those "drafts" that you hate and have labeled failures for NE. Why clamour for him anyway, he went the year before.

Pioli was the executive of the decade and if we passed on him, you know as well as I do that Clark would be burned at the stake, by now, for not signing him.

Its NOT Piolis draft record. Stop saying that, its not true. I dont like the guy, but be fair man...those drafts were Tom Dimitroffs. right or wrong?

You are right, he wasnt the GM for NE, he was director of player personel..meaning he was in charge of trades and free agent signings..you know, the part of the machine in NE that made the ship sail so well. The part that allowed them to stay competitive over the course of a entire decade and compete for the majority of the championships of that time span.

He wanted Clancy to be a position coach, which would be good for us IMHO. He was the defacto DC after no better alternative was available that fit perameters.

Keeping Krummrie was a GOOD decision IMHO, letting Gibbs go wasnt. I will eternally wonder why people hate TK so badly, I think he is a very good position coach. Who has he failed to develop? He has done a fine job with about every player sent his way. I would have prefered to keep Gibbs at all costs, but if he wasnt allowed to interview with Houston and we chose a DC that wanted his own staff, it would leave us in a rough spot as far as league rep goes with how we handle our coaches. Believe me, there is a reason that Gun was allowed to leave but Krummrie was retained and we tried to keep Gibbs.

I HATED cutting Pollard, but also realize he has reacted poorly to hard coaching in the past for Purdue and was suspended in college for blow ups at coaches, you simply cant have that in the NFL...should he have been cut and not just suspended as Brandon Marshall was? NO, but something needed done and we openly tried to trade him before cutting him. I will always look back at that as a monumental mistake by us that set us back another step on our journey.

I also have no response for the firing of Gailey, but I also am not privy to info that was included in the decision.

I seriously cant fault Clark at this point for going out and getting one of the better GMs available.

He wasn't a GM. How many times does that have to be said?

And who the **** are you to state that Decosta or Polian weren't "leaving"?

No offense but you're in Iowa.

I hardly think that YOU know what the **** was going on with Clark Hunt.

Krumrie is garbage dude. We have arguably the worst dline in the nfl for many years running. why even bother

your compliment was sufficent sr

I didnt say he was a GM, I said he went out and got the best available GM available. Big difference dude. Matter of fact, **** it I even said he wasnt the ****ing gm in my post, but you seem to be so anxious to point the finger of doom at me that must have missed that.

On the Coalition, we have two well known resident trolls I have chatted with for years...one is a Colts fan and the other is a Ravens fan and I couldn't dodge the endless Baltimore and Indy updates if I tried. Believe me, and if you don't I will pm you proof, I wanted either of those two before Pioli, SP was far from MY personal choice. I lobbied for both Decosta and Polian and was shown the truth through conversation that neither even contemplated leaving either team. I know plenty about both situations and there was no chance of either guy leaving.

I take no offense obviously, but what does Iowa have to do with anything?

How do you think YOU know what the **** is going on with Clark Hunt? Im not the one making accusations here, you are bud. I never said:

"he just took a poll and hired the most popular cantidate" ...among other claims. I am simply stating facts.

Yes. And I could care less about trolls.

He did just that

What is "yes" an answer to, exactly?

he did more than just that. cmon, really? stop acting as if you were in the room, you werent. I wasnt either, just to get that out of the way ahead of time.

we had one of the best dlines in 2006+2007 when our defense was definitely returning to respectability (ranked #16 and #13 overall yardage defense in 06+07) lead by the Dline...then CP traded away our top threat (Jared) and let our third best pass rusher (Jimmy Wilkerson) walk for nothing. Those two had over 20 sacks between them last year in roles VERY similar to the role they would have played here. Id also like to point out that you can go down the list and see that each player he has coached has progressively gotten better the longer they were coached by him.

IMHO he has played the hand given to him very well as our Dline coach. Too bad King Carl was dealin the ****ing cards back then....

Pioli - or any GM - would be a moron to fire a new coach after one single year. But especially the Chiefs. Between Carl Peterson and Herm Edwards, your franchise was a walking corpse. That isn't going to be fixed in one season. What Haley brought back to KC was someone on the sidelines who channelled the frustration that Chiefs fans have been feeling for at least a decade onto the field. He has been great for you guys in that respect. He cusses, he cries, he cusses some more.

He should be given at least as much time to install his program as Herm was given. He's not perfect, to be sure. Hell, who knows if he's even any good? But whatever he is, it isn't Herm Edwards. And Pioli isn't Carl Peterson.

The disease that Carl installed into your franchise isn't going to go away overnight. To even ask the question about bringing Haley back shows a weakness of intellect to me. How can Whitlock not understand all the reasons why Haley should be given the opportunity to install his program?

Pioli was the consensus #1 candidate in the league, and probably was paid as so. Polian? DeCosta? Good Lord that's funny.

Pollard was a ****ing liability. I think it was CLEAR that we HAD to go after another Safety, or two, so why keep around a guy who demeans the authority of the coaching staff? I don't mind Pollard being gone at at all.
Texans with Pollard 8-8. Texans Without Pollard 8-8. Pollard is the starter on a team who has openly admitted that every other safety they had sucked beyond belief, so yeah, I'm sure they are happy to have him. I will be happy to have the guy who man's the spot in 2010. Trust me, It won't be mike Brown.

As for Pioli, I'm damn glad to have him, and anyone who wasn't happy the day they signed him, just cannot be pleased unless the organization does exactly what they think should be done, Like buy the Colts, and fire Polian, because that's the only way his ass was coming to KC.
I mean really. Pick players to play with Peyton Manning, or go to the Chiefs.
Some people are just stupid, and just don't know it.

God you are so unbelievably dense.

Anybody with a brain knows these guys weren't leaving their organizations for the Chiefs. Especially Polian.

Unfortunately Dane is too ****ing arrogant, and hard headed to look in any other direction through his "**** all but mine" binoculars.

For the most part, an excellent post. But I'm not sure why you are arguing facts with a knee jerk reactionary crowd.

Agreed

Well, Holmgren is going to fire Mangini. And I don't think Holmgren is a moron. If you think what this team needed is somebody to cuss, cry, and cuss some more, I have news for you. They needed and still need, somebody who can coach players up and make good sideline decisions. I've not seen anything like that from Haley.

While I agree with Taco John to a certian point. Haley is channeling our frustration to the players, just we all do to the TV on sunday...

Also your bolded part? We have seen this in 4 years. People are acting like this is something new to the Chiefs...

We have be deprived of talent evaluation for years, coaching the day Herm was hired...

Just because we've been failing for years doesn't mean that we should be content to continue to roll with the status quo.

So what? Let's just keep doing it?

Yeah, but Holmgren didn't pick Mangini, and probably doesn't share any of his philosophies.
Apples to oranges.

Like I have a say so in the matter.... I seriously doubt Clark or Scott give a flying **** about what Reerun_KC says....

JFC.

The reasons listed to keep Haley--

1) Herm got three years
2) He's a raving lunatic on the sidelines
3) He's not Herm

Of course you want us to keep Haley, when we last played you ran a fake punt on 4th and 8 from his own ****ing 28 with our backup quarterback in a one score game.

Read the post I was replying to.

Advance the topic or grab a broom.

So is it fair to say that the Chiefs and not the Broncos had the "best offseason eva"?

R u stalking me? I just got done sweeping the whole house.... Creep...

guess I need to throw more speculation out there? I have zero facts from Clark or Pioli or Haley to add to this matter... Otherwise I would just be spewing crap from my mouth about a subject that I have zero evidence to back it up....

I wasnt one of the chosen ones on here to get the inside scoop on from Hunt or Pioli...

"I have no opinion of my own, but here's some irrelevant words about nothing".

What the hell are you talking about? Wilkerson did shit here. 1 sack in his entire Chiefs career. 11 in 2 years in Tampa. And he didn't have the benefit of Jared Allen in Tampa.

What about the hordes of DL he "improved" in Buffalo and Cincinnati. Umm...who, exactly? Tim "T-Rex" Anderson?

You know what that shows me? That Krumrie is the problem, not the solution.

A reason they will keep Haley would be the price tag to fire him. They would basically be paying for 2 HC's the next 3 years.

Yes, he's made some boneheaded in-game decisions, but to me, it comes back to talent evaluation.

It took LJ mouthing off for us to learn that Charles is capable of being the man.

It took injury to find our best 5 offensive linemen.

We're still starting Vrabel over Studebaker.

And then yesterday, I hear this beauty:

Cassel was speaking with a reporter about his past performances being sub-par, and Cassel told him that he was graded out as having ZERO ERRORS during the Buffalo game.

This is a game in which Cassel threw 4 INT's and had a 35.4 QB rating.

I have a hard time trusting the guys doing the grading after that.

Link??

And yet we gave Matt Cassel 60 million ****ing dollars before he took a snap for us.

The fact that Cassel would even tell a reporter that with a straight face, even if his coaches gave him such a stupid evaluation, just further illustrates that he's part of the problem.

There isn't a ****ing quarterback alive who could take that evaluation with a straight face if they had any pride or belief in a team concept.

That just screams "cover your ass".

I agree that a bad owner is the problem to a bad team.

However, all Im trying to say is, when you hire a new coach, chances are he is going to bring in his new staff, new scheme, new philosophy, etc.

Pretty much EVERYTHING is new! So the players have to adjust accordingly. It's a whole new transition process and learning curve for the players in general because they have to be intellegent enough to blend into the "new" coaches, philosophy and schemes, it really comes down to the players capabilities of adapting to their new environment. Look what happened with Dorsey? He wasn't drafted to be a 3-4DE or is suitable enough to play the nose? New scheme, new coach, and voila he is no longer a 4-3 DT but a 3-4 DE. Thank goodness he is playing pretty well at that position. Sometimes its not easy to adapt to a new environment. Some guys can do it, others not so well. This is why when teams hire a new head coach, chances are there will be a lot of turnover on your roster because its all about them finding the right players that are capable of adapting to the scheme and philosophy. thats just as important as talent level.

when you hire new coaches all the time, then you're pretty much constantly experimenting. The coaches are trying get a "feel" for their players to see what they're capable of doing. players are trying to always adapt. sometimes its best to be patient, let the players learn things over time. I don't know about you, but Id rather see a player master at something rather then have to learn new schemes all the time and start from square 1 again and again. The Steelers are an example of sticking with their plan, and are rewarded for it.

Sign me up for Cowher, Shanny, or Gruden. It's just not like the Hunts to pay for something like that. I remember people being surprised the bought out Herm and Carl with only 1 year remaining.

Was mentioned in Haley's presser yesterday.

Not sure if the text copy has been released yet, and if so, I'll bet anything they cut it out.

Though disappointed in Pioli's performance, it is hard to argue that Clark signing him was a mistake. He was the consensus best guy available. Getting anyone to come take on the Chiefs was challenge enough, but getting someone with those credentials, who said no to other better teams, was something of a coup for Clark. The move was applauded by most every commenter. Just because he has yet to prove to be the genious that we hoped is not a reason to be anything more than disappointed, hoping he will learn from his mistakes.

In his last radio interview, Pioli admitted making mistakes. I think he learned a valuable lesson that won't be repeated. As a football executive in NE, he left coaching to the coaches. Having BB meant that you never second-guessed him. Second, any first time senior executive wants to believe that you should delegate responsibility to the supervisor beneath him ... to let him blossom. After you learn that he is incapable of that, you step in. That is what is happening here. Pioli's mistake was letting Haley have complete control of coaching. It was a rookie mistake to trust a rookie. I don't think that happens agains.

Haley has made mistakes. He thought he was smarter than everyone else. That is not uncommon. Heck, there are a lot of posters here on CP that have that same mental failing. *laughs* He thought he was a better OC, based on what he did with a good QB and two great receivers in Arizona. And, to be fair, the Chiefs played like crap in the preseason, so Haley blamed Gailey, thinking he could do no worse. Heck, many of us fans felt the same, at times.

This season has been a humbling experience for Haley. We will benefit from that in year #2. Pioli will now be more hands on in coaching decisions in year two. We will benefit from that. Haley will get some help (more ways than one), and we will benefit from that. Haley will begin to realize that theory does not always work in reality. In theory, the fake punt should have caught Denver completely unaware and worked like a dream. In reality, you cannot expect good execution from mediocre players. It was reckless to try it, but it could have been a great play, in theory. Year 2, Haley dispenses with novel theory. We benefit.

In contrast, Denver will not benefit. Their 6-0 start merely cemented in Josh McDaniel's mind that he *is* a genius. It was the players that failed him, not the other way round. He has not had the same humbling that a new HC needs in order to realize that it is a team effort of coaches, just as it is a team effort on the field.

If Haley was a moron, like Herm, I would despair because a lesson in humility to a moron is not as likely to yield positive results (unless it causes them to hire good people and stand back). Some of Haley's calls may seem moronic, at times, but the man seems to be a student of the game, and one that will learn well. Yes, it would have been nice to have a professor of the game, rather than a student, but that has its own drawbacks too.

That leads to Part 2 of the question that was asked:

Apparently, Gretz had spoken with Cassel after the Buffalo game and said something like, "How important is it to bounce back after having 2 really bad games" and Cassel got really defensive and said, "Interesting you say I've had 2 bad games."

So in the presser yesterday, both of those were used as lead-in's to a question asking Haley if Cassel is capable of seeing when he isn't performing - and being able to learn from it.

Haley hemmed and hawed around, and dodged the question.

Sure as shit, they dropped the lead-in's to those questions:


Nothing like censoring press conferences...

**** you, you don't know jackshit.

More idiocy from the guy who thinks Tyson Jackson is, and I quote a "bad ass".

LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO

Hey Crackhead, let us know the next time you sit down with some NFL execs, okay?

You REALLY don't have a ****ing clue.

Seriously.

Wow... that reeks of a coach blaming WRs for his QB's ineptness...

Just ****ing chew on a loaded shotgun already....

I decided the guy needed to guy immediately after hearing that nonsense.

When asked whether or not Cassel had been intellectually honest about his play and could look in the mirror, Haley said "I don't worry about such things".

Yeah, that Todd Haley. He's QUITE the QB coach.

:shake:

It was spoken by Haley during his PC yesterday.

I have no idea if it's up on the site.

They didn't cut it out of the video:

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2009/12...ference__1221/

More bullshit.

There are 45 new players. The overwhelming majority come from the SAME EXACT SYSTEM, whether it be from Miami, Arizona or New England.


Again, more bullshit.

The Pittsburgh Steelers ARE the Pittsburgh Steelers for one reason and one reason alone:

Ownership. PERIOD.

Thanks.

Cassel supposedly said he had zero "mental" errors in the Buffalo game. That first pick looked like a huge mental error to me. The others may have been tipped and/or a Hail Mary, but that first one was definitely a mental error.

Here's the other thing:

Did every pass, INT or not go where it was supposed to go? Did he make the right decision EVERY time?

As you've pointed out, the first INT was without question a dumb decision.

You can't tell me he made the right decision 40+ times in a game he was picked off 4 times.

Most knew this season was going to be trash. Welcome to reality. Haley's the coach and will continue to be. Time to move on. It's been 14 games, with the worst roster in the entire NFL and some act like he's been here for years ****ing things up. Newsflash-he hasn't.

This is just spillover of years of ineptness and it's coming to a boil.
Reality is, we are a horrible team and have been for some time. We've been on the downward spiral for a long time and people are fed-up and figured Haley as the scapegoat. It's a sad tune that needs to be changed, because it's not giving him a fair shake to establish his system, with his guys.
Give the guy a break, for God's sake.

How do you explain the fact that well over half the team is Pioli picked players and we're still the worst roster in the entire NFL. Worse than last year. The best playmakers on the team right now aren't even Pioli picked players, they're Herm picked players. It's as simple as that.

You act as if we went out and signed all of these hand-picked players to huge contracts, as if they were some kind of huge acquisitions and staples of the team, when nothing could be further from the truth.

The team was HORRIBLE, EVIDENCED by a team total of 10 sacks on defense last year. The offense was just as inept, as we had to run a gimmick offense just to stay close in games and do we really need to talk about Herm's carousel of kickers on special teams? All three phases of the game we're attrocious.

They(current FO and coaching staff) KNEW what they had, wouldn't work, so they had to take a conservative approach to see if any low-cost free agents could actually upgrade the roster, making the monumental task of over-hauling this roster, slightly easier, in the hopes that a few could pan out-

I would say that move has actually paid off, in now knowing there's a few players, who deserve a shot back at making this team next year. Others CLEARLY DON'T and now we can easily walk away from those, that don't, with little to NO cost.

1 pick was a hail mary, and two were tipped balls. I guess he doesn't count those as mental errors.

So we had the least talented team in the NFL and they knew it. And even though they turned over more than half the roster, they couldn't find a "Staple" player out of that that turned out better than the least talented team in the NFL?

That indicates very poor talent acquisition if you can't find a "Staple" player when turning over more than half the roster of the least talented team in the NFL. That's basically saying the team was the worst, yet after replacing half of the worst team, we still have the worst team in the NFL. Think about that.

And you think the current FO and coaching staff went into the season knowing what they wanted to do wouldn't work? They "hoped" that a few out of more than half the roster would "pan out"? **** me, how low of expectations can they possibly have? That sounds like the approach of a completely inept franchise, not one that is supposedly headed in the right direction under new management.

Baffling. Totally baffling. They wasted an entire season for the benefit of evaluating "a few players" that should come back. And you say it actually paid off. We were the worst team in the NFL last season, by your own words. And the only positive to come of this entire season is knowing "a few players" should be back.

Holy hell.

Did you honestly believe that the WRs they brought in (Lelie, Long, etc.) were going to be some long term solution? There is a reason why those guys were on the market and some are still without a home. There's also a reason why so many of the players released are still without a job as well.

Its because they sucked, and everyother franchise knew they sucked. Except Scott Pioli. Masterful.:doh!:

So now the argument is that he shouldn't have brought in anyone to try to improve the team. I get it.

This whole post reeks of complete and utter nonsense

So why are you a Chiefs fan?

You don't like the owner
You don't like the GM
You don't like the Head Coach
You don't like the Assistant coaches
You don't like the players
You don't even live in KC

So why are you here? Why do you root for the Chiefs?

If you think the root of the problem is the owner, well guess what, that isn't going to change. And Scott Pioli had much better credentials than Eric DeCosta. Personally, i wanted DeCosta, but you can't fault Clark for going with Pioli. The Giants wanted Pioli. Is that Giants owner stupid too?

I mean really, if you think the root of the problem is Clark Hunt, then maybe you should find another team. Because by your logic, this team will never be good as long as Clark is the owner. Come back when either Clark dies or sells the team.

No, he should have tried to bring in good players. Not the garbage off the Pats, Cards, and Dolphins practice squads.

The argument should be this:

Why wasn't Todd Haley able to properly evaluate the existing talent on his roster from day one?

Why did it take 15 weeks of the regular season, four weeks of pre-season, and countless weeks of OTA & workouts to realize that his most talented receivers are Bowe, Bradley & Cottam?

Why did it take all this time to put the best offensive line on the field? Albert, Alleman, Niswanger, Smith & Richardson performed incredibly well together but it took 4 months to figure this out? Furthermore, why in the HELL was Richardson cut and stuck on the Practice Squad?

I don't have as many problems with the defensive side of the ball because they lack so much talent that I don't think there's a "gem" in hiding. But I do have issues with Vrabel over Studebaker and Brown over ANYONE.

Todd Haley is supposed to be an offensive mastermind, yet he can't determine his best skill position players or best offensive line unit until after he's been on the job for more than 10 months?

I think this is a problem going forward...

Maybe you should just go fist yourself

No I don't believe any of the WRs they signed were in the plans long term. But how does that excuse anything? They spent $63M on a QB, and knowingly gave him zero help. We all knew that the old castoffs they signed at WR were worthless. That's the point. They did nothing to help their new "Franchise" QB. And it was obvious to the whole ****ing world.

My question is WHY? Why wouldn't they bring in a legit WR when everyone knew what we had was shit? The same could be said for the OLine. There was no reason to stand pat at any position. We were already the least talented team. There's no benefit to bringing in players to "Just get by" till next season. None.

When you're starting at ground level like they were with this team, the only option you have is to build. Form a plan, and lay a foundation. Instead, they brought in a giant metal plate to cover the ground work for a year similar to MODOT's road fixing philosophy and ignored any actual building till next year. And somehow they convinced fans that this is all they could have possibly done this year.

We started the new regime with nothing. Now 80% through the season, and we still have nothing. Still waiting to get started. I'm willing to be patient with the building process if you can show me a single ****ing brick of the foundation was laid this year. As it stands, I'm still staring at that giant metal plate wondering what they could have done.

Finally, points we can agree upon.

I agree with everything you've said here. If this is a rebuild, I'm confused as to why Morgan, Studebaker, Charles (previously) weren't seeing more time. And I completely agree that Ryan/O'Connell over Cottam is a WTF of epic proportions.

That's wonderful. Great post.

Really though, if you hate this Franchise so much, why are you here? At least Mecca and Hamas have hope for the team and want to see them do well. You on the other hand just seem to be on the rag 24/7. You never have anything positive to say. You just bitch. you never have anything to say until the organization does something you don't like. And then you just bitch some more.

If you are a Chiefs fan, and you are so concerned about the Franchise, what do you suggest they do?

We Chiefs fans are holding out hope that this franchise can turn it back around. yes, bad decisions have been made, but there is hope that Pioli can fix this. He failed this year, but it doesn't mean he'll fail next year.

you have no hope for the team. You dont like anyone in the organization except for who? maybe D-Bowe? Maybe Flowers?

Seriously, for your own mental health, find another team that has an owner that you like. A Coach that you like. Because by your logic, this team is doomed till Clark sells it.

Im looking out for you dude. Find another team, it'll make you a happier person.

And please don't bother with the "If you hate this team so much... why...."

It's been said many times... I can criticize the team without hating them. Do you agree with everything your wife or children do? If you disagree, why not find a new wife and child. Well you don't, because that's just not the way it works.

LMAO

This HAS to be a joke

Again, are you joking? I've got about 10,000 posts suggesting what they should "do".

Read them.

He failed miserably this year. I see absolutely no indication that won't occur next year.

JFC, are you an n00b? In preseason, I was all over Darryl Harris and Colin Brown. Bowe, Cottam, Charles, Carr, Flowers, Dorsey, Albert, Morgan, Richardson, Leggett and Page ALL SHOULD BE the foundation in which the Chiefs build around.

Considering that many of them haven't seen the field as much as they should have this year, I have my doubts about Haley & Pioli's talent evaluations.

But quite honestly, I think you must have missed 95% of my posts this year.

Gee, thanks.


:facepalm:

That's kind of a bad comparison there.

Obviously we all have things to critique about this awful season. Some do it in a peacfull manner with out talking down to others. Some, at least have a positive outlook.

Im just keeping it real, calling it how i see it. Most are not happy with what is going on right now. Most of us know that Pioli and Haley have ****ed up. But, there are reasons to believe shit can and will get better.

Well, look at the quality of players that the Chiefs got on defense. I blame Pioli for that.

For example, Corey Mays, special teamer, always has been throughout his whole career. Im sure he knows how to play in a 3-4 but he is just not that good at it. Vrabel is pretty much on his last legs, but still a decent role player imo, who knows and understands how to play in a 3-4. And then lets not forget about a broken down injury riddled Mike Brown.

Its important to find players that can play in a scheme, and that are intellegent enough to learn. But also those players have to be good quality players that have the potential to ascend. The Chiefs didn't do that obviously. They got players who are on the decline. but Im sure they still know how to play in a 3-4. Vrabel is an example and nobody can deny that. The Chiefs didn't focus enough on quality.


They do have a good owner. Like I said to OTWP58, a bad owner is a reason why certain teams are bad. Ownership determines a lot whether a team is going to be either good or bad. I never ever questioned the Steelers ownership EVER! In fact I think Dan Rooney is one of the brightest minds in football, and he has an excellent team of architects, lieutenants, and captains to help build championship caliber football teams. But he is an example of what Im talking about, he has a good understanding and believes that if you stick with a plan and carry it out over time you'll succeed provided that you have the right people to help carry out your plan, that can transcend to success. Thats all Im saying. And that is factual. And it proved to work and it happened. How many coaches have the Steelers had throughout their franchise history? THREE! Thats it!

But thev're always had an excellent front office. Dick Haley, Todd Haleys dad, was a HUGE reason for that dynasty team built in 70's. Both he and Chuck Knoll worked great together and they did the exact same thing and found the right guys that were intellegent to fit into their philosophy and schemes. But they also had great chemistry. Thats what has to exist in a successful organization.

I have one question......

When Vrabel went down and Studebaker stepped in.....and had a lights out ****ing game.......

Why the **** did Vrabel immediately go back to his starting job? He's old and broken down and he's not helping this team out physically. Let Studebaker step into the starting role and see if he can repeat his performance. Vrabel is nothing more and should be nothing more than a part-time player right now. The same thing goes for Mike Brown.

I've said that for YEARS in this forum.

So, you have owners like the Mara's, Rooney's, Krafts, DeBartolo's and Jones' that have multiple Super Bowls.

Then you have a team that hasn't won but three playoff games in 40 years, a team that went 15 straight years without a playoff appearance and a team that has now gone 16 years straight without a playoff win.

If the Mara's, Rooney's Kraft's, et al are "good owners" what does that make the owner of a team that has been virtually winless in the post-season for 40 years?