They get passed on, but when you have a guy without his head up his ass like Mike Brown did you will be more successful. Let me put it this way. We beat Dallas is we have Eric Berry and Javier Arenas on our team in 2009. Shit. Nevermind. I'm glad Brown and Leggett suck ass. They allowed us to swap their asses for real football players.

If Cassel was expendable after 2010, we wouldn't have devoted 4 of our picks (including trade) taking players who were almost all reaches, in order to cover for his bitch ass.

Cassel will be here indefinitely. And I'm sure that he'll grade out with 0 mistakes, just like I'm sure Pioli will grade out with 0 mistakes from this draft.

Randy Moss isn't walking through that door, keg.

The hypocrisy is stunning. For weeks the threads have been blowing up on this board about how the 'True Fan' wants an OT when we 'need' playmakers - so thus Berry needs to be the pick and to hell with the idiot True Fan. Now, we spend our 2nd rounders on playmakers, improving the offense and return game, instead of fat slobs in the middle of the line and apparently we've taken a left turn to draft hell. We added a NT in free agency - he ain't pretty or special, but you don't have to have a pretty NT to be effective. This team is better at blocking/recieving/returning and coverage then it was at 5:00 pm on thursday. And All of these rookies have the potential to contribute.

We took inferior prospects to what was available at the positions on top of taking positions that really aren't that valuable.

Am I really suppose to believe that a WR/RB project dude and a nickel CB that does kick returns is move valuable than a NT a pass rusher or a potential franchise QB?

No, you're the fan of the pick.

Explain to me how adding yet another guy who's undersized and slow for the position IMPROVES the team.

Flowers did great in the 1/2 assed cover 2 and last year when Carr was slow to react in press. The greater weakness was exposed.

So we add ANOTHER short CB with low top end speed and that helps us....HOW?...

Welker can't even be Welker without a deep threat. That doesn't bode very well for the Chiefs.

If he is going to be a WR what number do we suppose he will wear

I know where you're trying to lead me and I can only answer like this:

Apparently, Pioli felt the value at slot was higher than the value at OLB.

Apparently, Pioli felt the value at CB/Returner was higher than that at NT.

At this point in time, I'm not going to pass judgment because the Chiefs need ALL of those positions.

And the last thing I'm going to criticize beforehand is the choice of playmakers, which is exactly what I accused him of NOT taking last year.

I'm going to let this one run its course before making a determination. If it pays off, he's almost even for last year. If it doesn't, he's dug himself an even greater hole.

I'm glad you're here to point these things out. I don't know what we'd ever do without you.

Randy Moss has made Welkers career, why is this not grasped? Without Moss teams would just sit on Welker and wait to jump those routes.

And if you also give Dallas Dez Bryant do we still win that game?

This year.

That doesn't make him a bad choice.

Uh it's a valid point, you think Welker puts anything up remotely close to what he does if he's not playing with Randy Moss?

"A nickel corner and return man. Chiefs are drafting backups in Round 2 this year."--Scott Wright.

LMAO That's hilarious.

So McCluster will be good the day we get a deep threat like Randy Moss, ok so when McCluster is 57 years old.

Did you read that thing about a Dez Bryant medical condition. I was trying to read it on my mobile at dinner but got distracted.

"Bryan Bulaga will be the Chiefs first round draft pick." --Scott Wright

Possibly, but probably not. I don't know how any team not named the Jets can cover the Cowboys in 2010.

While I understand your point, you're assuming that the Chiefs should be drafting based on need.

I agree with your post that asks about whether McCluster, Arenas, or Moeaki offer better value than other similar guys at their position.

For McCluster, he offers a lot more versatility than Tate does. For Moeaki, he offers a lot more versatility--he's a terrific blocker who can catch the ball, while Graham is a high upside receiving TE who can't block. McCluster is a pick that's going to have to pass a significant sniff test, but if the intent is to use him as a Sproles type player where you move him around all over the field, it has potential to be a pretty decent pick.

One team said Bryant has an irregular heartbeat.

Having a bad mock draft and having opinions of players are not the same.

I don't think there's 1 person other than Scott Pioli that thought Javier Arenas was a 2nd round pick.

No offense to you, but Scott Wrght's the same dumbass that said the Chiefs were taking an O-lineman in the draft, wouldn't take my question in his draft chat and said a bunch of other stupid shit (which I copied and pasted but can't remember).

He's a ****ing guy with a website.

If you're not drafting for need and you're not taking the best players available at the positions you're drafting, what exactly do you call your draft approach?

Potentially in next year's draft, to be fair.

I'm sure that if Weiss felt that Tate was a better offensive weapon than McCluster - we would have probably gone that route. I would have been curious to see Benn with an Arrowhead, but we did pick up a guy that looks very dangerous in a lot of ways. As I said, they addressed NT in free-agency and thus had the 'luxury' to grab the premier returner in the draft. As for franchise QB, why not ride Cassell one more year and hit up the real QB draft next year for that guy instead of taking a pass on Weiss's guy - who obviously didn't make the grade.

The Patriot Way?

Funny you mention this, because Scott Wright put Arenas going to the Colts in Round 2 for his final mock.

Or Eric Berry

Having all the information and making decisions.

Hell I picked Arenas in our mock draft. I like him, but not 2nd round like him.

And you trust this team to make a proper pick...just sayin.

No kidding. That criticism of him is completely ridiculous because anyone with a brain and a set of eyes can tell he is running at about 4.4 speed (which is what he ran at his pro days).

It took Welker a few years to become Welker. I think it's safe to assume that McCluster or anybody else drafted yesterday isn't going to be him out of the gates, either. So they probably have some time to find that deep threat. Assuming that's not Chambers' role.

I'm still way more worried about Cassel than anybody else at this point. He's now and forever going to be the cog that makes this thing either work or fail.

And I still say he's expendable if he has a bad season. I don't think you can discount the possibility that not drafting Clausen was as much a statement about Clausen as it was about Cassel. I think the league made a statement of something we already knew, that this was not a strong QB draft. 2011 is probably going to be a different story...

I also think, though, that they look at Cassel as someone they can make a better player (part of the reason Weis is here...) in 2010, whereas I think we (I include me in this) have already written him off.

We still won't have a QB though.

Everyone's pro day numbers are inflated by .15 seconds.

That is simply not true. Moss helped Welker, but Wes was proving to be a dangerous wide receiver in Miami before he was traded to the Pats.

Dane done become an optomist...

Seriously, the amount of ****ing bullshit perpetrated by some people is not only ****ing stupid but disingenuous.

So... this sounds like you think McCluster is something of a project.

Mecca didn't say that he wasn't a good player. He's saying that Welker is so prolific in NE because of Moss as a deep threat.

Because you're talking about taking an OLB or a NT for the sake of taking those positions. That's drafting based on need.

And BPA is relative. McCluster and Moeaki could both be extremely valuable to a Weis offense. Like I said, Weis values versatility a lot more than he values players who do one thing well. He wants TEs who can block as well as they pass, so that he can deceive defenses. Same applies for a RB who can catch--probably the main reason they really seemed to covet Sproles.

The Chiefs were considering trading for Sproles, probably for the same pick they used for McCluster. And I think they would have been used in a similar way.

lol, ok fine. The dude runs a 4.4, seriously. The fact that a question about his speed is even an issue at this point is a bit silly. He was the fastest guy on the field when he played his games in the fastest conference.

seems every year it becomes about individual, rather than team.

Moeaki is a TERRIBLE ****ing blocker...

Are people really trying to argue McCluster is slow?

It will be interesting to see how this all pans out. There were some surprises. I question the TE pick the most I would say...but not really angry enough about it to go throat punch a cop with my dick.

Fine. Would Welker be putting up 110 catches a season in Miami. No. Would he be putting up 80-90. Yes. For god's sake, the Pats traded a 2nd and a 7th for him. In today's prices, I could buy Brandon Marshall and Anquan Boldin for that kind of a deal. The kid can flat out play and Moss maybe adds 15-20 catches a season for him.

Quotin dis again for Page 30.

Scott Wright is a complete tool. He denied up and down there was any chance at all of the Chiefs not taking Eric Berry at 5. Chiefs fans on his own board called his dumbassery, the Chiefs select Eric Berry and he acts completely shocked when they take Eric Berry. Says Pioli is dumb ass hell for taking a reserve in the 2nd round, but projects him to be drafted in the 2nd round in his very own mock right before the draft.

Amazing poem, BTW.

It's really more due to the fact that Pioli chose proven college playmakers. Guys that proved over and over again they can actually play, unlike last year.

There are so many holes that they couldn't have been filled by one draft, but this is promising.

Now if next year they take another returner, guard, slot receiver, etc., then this draft will have been Epic Fail 2.0. But I'm not ready to declare it a failure today.

Far from it.

Yes, it doesn't matter what the team does or doesn't do. It is just information for that person to adjust to relatively.

He's a ****ing guy with a website who, while wrong about who he thought the Chiefs would take, is not a dumbass. His player projections are generally quite accurate, and he attends all of the major events and has access to tape.

If you don't believe him, check out Walter Football, or ESPN, who called the McCluster pick a head scratcher, or many of the people on this very website whose opinions you have personally said that you respect and value.

Welker's best season in Miami was 67 catches, I doubt he would put up 80 or 90.

The Arenas and trade for the Iowa Tight end were stupid. But Pioli can come away with some talent tommorow we might have three starters and a game changer?

having a website=!genius

Athan must be a genius himself.

I am just ready for the football. Enough of this draft and baseball horse shit.

You should be, especially considering the guys at the tight end spot that would have been on the board in the fourth round when the Chiefs picked. That fifth round pick we had was huge. It got pissed away.

Well we came away with a future All-Pro Safety and All-Pro Guard out of the draft, so its not a total failure like last year.

I think the best way to verbalize what I believe is to say that I think every wide receiver is a project, with the exception of the very rare ones that go in the stratosphere of the top 5. Which is why I said McCluster or any other receiver drafted yesterday....

I actually think that position may be one of if not the most difficult to make the transtion from college to pro. I think it's a lot more likely to see a player really blossom in his 3rd or 4th year than see one start out really hot as a rookie.

That's part of the reason I said this is a big year for Bowe a few pages back. If he doesn't break out this year, odds are he never will.

So me saying I don't expect McCluster to be Welker right out the gates is not saying I think he's a project. I don't think anybody would be Welker right out the gates...

I'm ready for the Chiefs to win for once. My favorite college team went from a joke to being a competitor why can't the Chiefs?

I'm not. Maybe it is because I had a really good steak tonight. Not sure.

If I came to you a day and a half ago and offered you

Eric Berry, Jimmy Clausen, Terrance Cody, Damien Williams, and Everson Griffen through the first 4 rounds and sacrificing 5c and told you instead that we took

Eric Berry, Dexter McCluster, Javier Arenas, Jon Asamoah, and Tony Moeaki

Are you honestly telling me that you wouldn't be incredibly disappointed to have the second instead of the first?

Honestly?

I feel good about the trajectory of the team.

Mecca,
I respect your opinion and you are a top ten poster on this board. I do think the crying about this draft is a little over the top. If you replace Javier Arenas with a better defensive player to stop the run, I think this draft is terrific.

I call you out a little though because last year the chiefs went more on need and you screamed for bpa. Seems like they are TRYING to do bpa and you are still screaming.

Let's just admit you cherry pick a few guys, and if the Chiefs do not pick them, they messed up. I do admit your cherry picked guys tend to be pretty good.

Also, I remember you loving you some CJ Spiller to KC. McCluster is a similar gamebreaker

Who isn't dissapointed with it? I am but I certainly don't think this draft is as bad as last year.

The other answer here is (and yes this requires 'the faith') that Pioli, Haley, Crennel and Weiss all got together and decided that the Tackle position was going to be ok. That the LB position was going to be ok. And that the NT position was going to be ok. And that the QB position was going to be ok and that we could afford to start finding ways to make our team dangerous.

I know that this is a brutal concept to accept. But you do have 3 fantastic coordinators and a quality GM pulling the strings. Perhaps they might possibly have a feel about our developing young talent.

McCluster's 40 time would be .15 better if he cut that hair

I don't like Scott Wright.

With that said, Kiper had McCluster in his top ten when the Chiefs chose. SI has him as a good pick.

The bottom line is that they could all be wrong and he could bust. Or, he could be top 15 value.

Personally, I don't have a problem "reaching" for someone they believe is a playmaker. I'd rather bust on that than a Washington, Magee, Jackson, Brown, etc.

Yes, my standards have become that low.

Here it is, folks.

"THIS DRAFT SUCKS BECAUSE PIOLI DID NOT TAKE EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED Q_Q"

Actually, his 4.44 40 in the pro day are lower than Sproles'. And his 4.58 time in the combine could be blamed on poor combine coaching. I believe he stumbled out of the gate on one of those and ran a slightly crooked path on another. Again, you can't watch him outrun secondaries in the college level and say the guy is 4.58 slow. There's no way. You can't even outrun a LB with that speed, let alone the entire secondary.

Secondly, 40 time isn't everything. He dominated the short shuttle and was phenomenal at making cuts because he's short and stays low to the ground. We saw with LJ how speed doesn't translate into changing direction or making sudden cuts, two things McCluster does outstandingly well.

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Eric Berry alone made this draft better than last year's. Asamoah was another great pick. Thats two studs out of this draft already.

There are literally 5 guys you could interchange at every other pick than Berry, and it still would have been light years better than this.

Well that's saying a whole lot, I'd prefer to have higher standards than "well you didn't completely abort yourself while shit dribbled down your leg"

Where is Hootie when you need him?

Plus McCluster will be a good pick. With him and Charles this franchise has never seen that much speed on the field.

Come on now. He went:

2004: 0
2005: 29
2006: 67

Traded.

This wasn't a guy plateauing in his 3rd year. To rip something off of his wiki page:

Only one player in NFL history, Gale Sayers, had more all-purpose yards in his first three NFL seasons than Welker did with the Dolphins; Welker holds the Dolphins' all-time records for total kickoff returns, kickoff return yardage, and total punt returns.

The Pats picked him up before he hit the height of his career.

I watched a lot of SEC football this year. McCluster was the fastest guy on the field. Maybe his speed translates to pads better. Football fast is obviously different than track fast