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Psyko Tek 08-29-2010 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Goldmember (Post 6963769)
If he's another Elway, someone needs to assassinate him now. I can't endure another 15 years of that kind of torture. :shake:
Paging Mr Berry, and bring Hali , and Studebaker with you

DaneMcCloud 08-29-2010 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by UCFGoldenKnight (Post 6963795)
and piss poor mechanics. Elway never had those....
I don't think even Elway had this kid's determination.

And his mechanics weren't too shabby tonight and by all accounts, he's not going to be the starter for three more years, minimum.

I'd take him over Cassel, right now.

DaneMcCloud 08-29-2010 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Psyko Tek (Post 6963992)
Paging Mr Berry, and bring Hali , and Studebaker with you
Problem is, Tebow's already alluded them all.

And Hali could barely chase me down.

BIG_DADDY 08-29-2010 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6963767)
I've been saying this long before draft day.

Chiefs fans need to shut the **** up.

The guy is uber-talented and has the will of a champion.

Quite honestly, I'm afraid he'll become an Elway-type of Chiefs tormenter, consistently beating the Chiefs and keeping them out of the playoffs.

I hope I'm wrong.
The only negative I saw was his delivery seems to take forever. It's almost like watching a pitcher wind up.

BIG_DADDY 08-29-2010 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6963995)
I don't think even Elway had this kid's determination.

And his mechanics weren't too shabby tonight and by all accounts, he's not going to be the starter for three more years, minimum.

I'd take him over Cassel, right now.
You can see immediately this guy was born to lead and has determination. Ball was like a laser on some of those throws.

Mile High Mania 08-30-2010 06:31 AM
I would imagine that Quinn has to be considering retirement... he has no role on that team, I'd rather see Tebow in if Orton is hurt. Quinn just sucks, he can't move, can't make a good decision... he's horrible.

I'm pissed they traded away Hillis for that jacka$$.

Mile High Mania 08-30-2010 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 6964004)
You can see immediately this guy was born to lead and has determination. Ball was like a laser on some of those throws.
Yeah, I think he did fine... looks like things are still going a million miles per hour in his head, but once that slows down, he should be ok... but he's not starter material for another 2 years in my opinion... nothing wrong with taking the Aaron Rodgers path and learning with a clipboard.

Decker looked good...

King_Chief_Fan 08-30-2010 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 6963745)
Tebow will make it in this league, mark my works.
I agree. Haters need to quit hating him for things they shouldn't.
What matters is that he will torment the AFCW for sometime to come. Hate him for that.

Coogs 08-30-2010 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6963995)
I don't think even Elway had this kid's determination.

And his mechanics weren't too shabby tonight and by all accounts, he's not going to be the starter for three more years, minimum.

I'd take him over Cassel, right now.
This. I watched a bit of the game last night, and he threw the ball pretty well. Couple of more years... if that... and I'm afraid the Donx will be set for years to come.

notorious 08-30-2010 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 6181963)
Quarterback in the modern NFL is about mindset ,being smart, and being a leader. Having a cannon arm and being a physical specimen is not near as important as having a good head.

People hate Tebow because of the hype of Florida. Guess what, they deserve it. They have kicked ass for years now, and he has been the leader of their dominance.



Look at the successful QB's in the NFL. A fairly large number of them had to fight, scratch, and claw their way to the top. They had to overcome many obstacles, work hard, and earn everything they get. They also have the mental makeup in which they will not allow themselves to lose.

Tebow fits the mold of a great NFL QB mentally. He needs work on the mechanics side, which, with good coaching can be fixed. The offensive system at Florida is about as far away from a pro offense as you can get, so that will take some time for him to learn.


Given some time, I would take him on my NFL team any day, and twice on Sunday.

QB is mental. Don't let your dislike of Tebow cloud that.
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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 6185820)
No doubt, but he has pulled them back in games with sheer will. I know Florida has the best talent in the NCAA (along with USC), but he makes things happen.


I personally wouldn't want him to be a first or even second year starter. He would need an good coach to bring him along in the areas that have not been developed in college. If he is still there in the mid rounds, why not take a shot?

I am simply stating that I believe that Tebow has the character and mental makeup of a winner. He has all of the intangables that it take to be a champion.

My thoughts a year ago. I hope I am wrong.

Mile High Mania 08-30-2010 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 6964120)
This. I watched a bit of the game last night, and he threw the ball pretty well. Couple of more years... if that... and I'm afraid the Donx will be set for years to come.
You guys are giving Knoshown creamy pants with all these comments...

Tebow is a work in progress, I'm hoping the plan is for him to be looking at 2012 as the potential beginning of the Tebow Era. They signed up Orton for next season, so I think that's very positive in regards to the direction.

I'm sure he'll get time randomly, but we'll see... there's nothing wrong with having him wait and develop. Orton can play well, just need the WRs to step it up this season and for that ground game to help them.

Bane 08-30-2010 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 6964139)
You guys are giving Knoshown creamy pants with all these comments...

Tebow is a work in progress, I'm hoping the plan is for him to be looking at 2012 as the potential beginning of the Tebow Era. They signed up Orton for next season, so I think that's very positive in regards to the direction.

I'm sure he'll get time randomly, but we'll see... there's nothing wrong with having him wait and develop. Orton can play well, just need the WRs to step it up this season and for that ground game to help them.
Knowshit hasn't hit puberty yet,just FYI.
Tebow definitely played better than I thought he would,even counting the int.Also he is one tough s.o.b,and that should pay dividends when he take's over as your starting QB.I'm sure the "mood" of the locker room is totally different with him around.I so hate that you guys drafted him!:cuss::cuss::cuss:

ROFL

Garcia Bronco 08-30-2010 07:59 AM
One thing from watching last nights game is the Steelers are an un-disciplined team.

Mile High Mania 08-30-2010 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by bane_58 (Post 6964147)
Knowshit hasn't hit puberty yet,just FYI.
Tebow definitely played better than I thought he would,even counting the int.Also he is one tough s.o.b,and that should pay dividends when he take's over as your starting QB.I'm sure the "mood" of the locker room is totally different with him around.I so hate that you guys drafted him!:cuss::cuss::cuss:

ROFL
I won't hold it against you... he's still a work in progress, but do you really hate that Denver drafted him? I'm still on the "undecided" side of the fence with the move to get him.

Garcia Bronco 08-30-2010 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 6964002)
The only negative I saw was his delivery seems to take forever. It's almost like watching a pitcher wind up.
He drops the ball to his waist and then fires. If he doesn' fix this he's done as an NFL QB.

Coogs 08-30-2010 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 6964214)
He drops the ball to his waist and then fires. If he doesn' fix this he's done as an NFL QB.
Maybe. I just saw part of the game. But when I was watching, he threw strikes to his receivers. Couple of them were downfield 20 or so yards too. Something they said he couldn't do. But it sure looked routine.

Mile High Mania 08-30-2010 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 6964214)
He drops the ball to his waist and then fires. If he doesn' fix this he's done as an NFL QB.
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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 6964231)
Maybe. I just saw part of the game. But when I was watching, he threw strikes to his receivers. Couple of them were downfield 20 or so yards too. Something they said he couldn't do. But it sure looked routine.
That delivery is something he is working on and there were a few moments when he didn't appear to make that mistake... it's going to take time to change that habit.

Quesadilla Joe 08-30-2010 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 6964214)
He drops the ball to his waist and then fires. If he doesn' fix this he's done as an NFL QB.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2008/wri...0712_favre.jpg

http://images.blippitt.com/wp-conten...re-vikings.jpg

Bane 08-30-2010 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 6964193)
I won't hold it against you... he's still a work in progress, but do you really hate that Denver drafted him? I'm still on the "undecided" side of the fence with the move to get him.
Absolutely! I like the kid and really wanted to "root" for him at the NFL level.No I'm not a FL fan,I just actually think he's a good kid and a hell of a football player.I think he is a work in progress as you said but,I think he has all the shit that you wish so many other players had.Heart,drive,etc..... I just can't back him as a Donk.:shake:

Bane 08-30-2010 08:38 AM
An exception to the rule doesn't make it THE RULE.Nice try though.

Mile High Mania 08-30-2010 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by bane_58 (Post 6964247)
An exception to the rule doesn't make it THE RULE.Nice try though.
Exactly...

Goldmember 08-30-2010 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 6963730)
From what I remembered the Chiefs never did either until just a few days ago, and that was to show "The New Arrowhead" (oooooooh ahhhhhhhhhh)
HA Ha Well, you'd think for a nationally televised game they would

kitten_mittons 08-30-2010 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by bane_58 (Post 6964247)
An exception to the rule doesn't make it THE RULE.Nice try though.
No, but I think he's just trying to prove that it's not impossible.

Mile High Mania 08-30-2010 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by kitten_mittons (Post 6964398)
No, but I think he's just trying to prove that it's not impossible.
If that's the point... try to find an example that is not one of the greatest QBs of all time.

Quesadilla Joe 08-30-2010 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 6964422)
If that's the point... try to find an example that is not one of the greatest QBs of all time.
http://poprock80s.com/wordpress/wp-c...4/j_cutler.jpg

http://blog.nj.com/needell/2009/04/large_cut401.jpg

Mile High Mania 08-30-2010 10:49 AM
Oh, sweet... nice example.

Cutler has a losing record and has a reputation for not rising up when his team needs him the most... and his playoff record speaks volumes. Oh wait...

Mile High Mania 08-30-2010 10:50 AM
I wanted to paste this in case you hadn't seen it...

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15936263

I just hope Denver fans temper their enthusiasm a bit... the AFCW is not a stellar division, but the Broncos have a lot of questions with no real answers right now.

vailpass 08-30-2010 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 6964437)
Oh, sweet... nice example.

Cutler has a losing record and has a reputation for not rising up when his team needs him the most... and his playoff record speaks volumes. Oh wait...
Dude you are getting back close to your uncle tom days.

Quesadilla Joe 08-30-2010 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 6964437)
Oh, sweet... nice example.

Cutler has a losing record and has a reputation for not rising up when his team needs him the most... and his playoff record speaks volumes. Oh wait...
What do the intangibles have to do with Cutler's throwing mechanics? Tebow doesn't have any of those issues that you stated by the way.

Mile High Mania 08-30-2010 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 6964443)
Dude you are getting back close to your uncle tom days.
Well, you've consistently been you... some of us are more realists. Take it or leave it.

Mile High Mania 08-30-2010 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 6964444)
What do the intangibles have to do with Cutler's throwing mechanics? Tebow doesn't have any of those issues that you stated by the way.
Tebow is not ready to be a starting NFL QB... bottom line. If you think his mechanics are fine, so be it...

DaFace 08-30-2010 11:05 AM
I've heard Cutler and Favre's throwing motions compared before, but I've never heard Tebow compared to either of those two. I'm certainly not an expert on what exactly the "mechanics issues" are that everyone's been talking about, but I can't imagine that holding the ball low is the only issue.

Quesadilla Joe 08-30-2010 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 6964454)
Tebow is not ready to be a starting NFL QB... bottom line. If you think his mechanics are fine, so be it...
His footwork from under center is the only thing that is not "NFL ready" IMO. So yeah I think he needs a year or two to get coached up, but I am not concerned with his throwing motion. I think Tebow has a better feel for the game than any QB in this draft class though.

vailpass 08-30-2010 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 6964473)
His footwork from under center is the only thing that is not "NFL ready" IMO. So yeah I think he needs a year or two to get coached up, but I am not concerned with his throwing motion. I think Tebow has a better feel for the game than any QB in this draft class though.
No.
The INT he threw last night shows he needs to adjust to the speed of the game.
Like all rookies he hasn't begun to learn how to read his progressions at game speed.
No way you can evaluate an NFL QB until you see him line up against the other team's 1s when the reall bullets start flying on Sundays.

vailpass 08-30-2010 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 6964450)
Well, you've consistently been you... some of us are more realists. Take it or leave it.
I'm just stirring shit.

kitten_mittons 08-30-2010 11:29 AM
He said NOT to use one of the greatest qb's of all time!

Bane 08-30-2010 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 6964473)
His footwork from under center is the only thing that is not "NFL ready" IMO. So yeah I think he needs a year or two to get coached up, but I am not concerned with his throwing motion. I think Tebow has a better feel for the game than any QB in this draft class though.
:banghead:
Not so sure about that but I will admit that maybe he is a lil more NFL ready than most believe.Certainly more so than what I thought. We'll see what happens in the reg season and then talk about it some more.

Mile High Mania 08-30-2010 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by bane_58 (Post 6964515)
:banghead:
Not so sure about that but I will admit that maybe he is a lil more NFL ready than most believe.Certainly more so than what I thought. We'll see what happens in the reg season and then talk about it some more.
Despite what I think of him right now... obviously I hope for nothing but great things, and I would certainly want him playing as opposed to Quinn.

kitten_mittons 08-30-2010 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 6964528)
Despite what I think of him right now... obviously I hope for nothing but great things, and I would certainly want him playing as opposed to Quinn.
I would. With Quinn we wouldn't even sniff 6 wins. Whereas with Tebow we'd have about the same record as with Quinn (maybe better if Tebow progresses well during the season) and we'd be getting Tebow some experience.

Bane 08-30-2010 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 6964528)
Despite what I think of him right now... obviously I hope for nothing but great things, and I would certainly want him playing as opposed to Quinn.
Dude.....:banghead: Quinn looked terrible.I'm not sure if it's rust,or WTF is wrong with him.

Mile High Mania 08-30-2010 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by bane_58 (Post 6964558)
Dude.....:banghead: Quinn looked terrible.I'm not sure if it's rust,or WTF is wrong with him.
Quinn is a joke... he needs to get with Leinart and create a failed reality show and get out of pro sports.

Bane 08-30-2010 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 6964568)
Quinn is a joke... he needs to get with Leinart and create a failed reality show and get out of pro sports.
Don't forget Casshole.ROFL

King_Chief_Fan 08-30-2010 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by bane_58 (Post 6964575)
Don't forget Casshole.ROFL
and Leaf

Garcia Bronco 08-30-2010 12:54 PM
Cutler's mechanics are terrible.


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