I am sure the BIG12 is the only conference where you will see head-kickers and potheads...

Three prominent defensive players on the team were arrested: Linebacker Tanner Brock, the leading tackler two seasons ago, defensive tackle D.J. Yendrey and cornerback Devin Johnson. The other player is offensive lineman Ty Horn.

Ouch, hadn't seen the names yet. That is going to sting. Brock and johnson especially. Brock is a ****ing moron for this. That kid had a distant shot at the pros if he kept improving. That's not happening now.

They really should let college athletes drink alcohol and smoke pot. That is the age to do those sort of things.

So Brock's arrest warrant is up. Read through it. Initial tip came from TCU's asst chief of police (TCU has 4-5 full time gun carrying cops). That means they probably busted a student and the student snitched. FWPD gets involved. They find another snitch and start working yendrey and horn. Horn passes the cop off to Brock. All in all, we're talking very small amounts for the football players.

Cops told Patterson before bust, they drug tested the whole team, and now thoe guys are gone.

...

HOLY SHIT! That's basically the entire team.

I wonder who the star recruit was. Four star WR Ed Pope was committed for over a year before he flipped in the last week to A&M.

82 players huh?

KU should get that opening conference win easy if that's the case.

:)

Yea I wonder who the recruit was too. But there's no way that many failed. 15-20 tops.

don't watch much football do ya?

That team beat Mizzou right?

Chip Brown @ChipBrownOB

A source in the Big 12 tells Orangebloods.com the combined exit fees of Missouri and Texas A&M will total between $31 mil and $34 mil.

I believe so. Not sure

damn

@ChuckCarltonDMN: TCU defensive back. RT @kolbygriffin12: This rumor about 82 of us failing a drug test is false completely false

Wow.

Welcome to the Big 12

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...cu-drugarrests

I'll believe it when I see it...after all, Chip Brown had UT in the Pac-16 last year. His record on re-alignment has not been all that great.

Didn't Brown predict some large exit fee for CU and NU?

Yeah - seems high to me, but who knows.

The next time Chip is correct will be the first.

That's what they're asking for. Which means Missouri and aTm will actually end up paying much, much less than that.

Honestly, I think it's a possiblity aTm and Mizzou might lawyer up and force the Big 12 to sue them (and then wait out the collapse of the league).

Again, why would a conference that is worth a damn have exit fees?

Given how shaky the bylaws appear to be, that might be a possibility.

Nebraska: No regrets. The Huskers miss the Oklahoma rivalry, but it was a shell of its former self anyway. The Big Ten is perfect for Nebraska. The Huskers might not win a Big Ten title anytime soon, but the Huskers' last Big 12 football title was 1999.

Missouri: Regrets. The Tigers actually will be fine with SEC football. I think they'll win their share of games, make a bowl virtually every year, make a run at a division title or two. Might even win the SEC East sometime. In other words, do about what Mizzou has done in the Big 12 the last 6-8 years. But Missouri is going to miss Big 12 basketball. Its games with Kansas. The conference tournament in Kansas City, which has served as a Mizzou reunion lo these many years. Neither can be replicated in the SEC, and when the Tigers are playing South Carolina or somebody in an 11:30 a.m. Thursday game in the first round of the SEC Tournament, with maybe 300 Mizzou fans and 4,000 total in the Georgia Dome, Missouri people will look at each other and say, what have we done?

Colorado: No regrets. The Buffs were in the Big 12/Big Eight/Big Seven for 60 years, and not one thing bound them to the conference. No real rivalry. No great tradition, except for three or four years of Bill McCartney excellence 20 years ago. Colorado might never feel a strong connection with the Pac-12, but it never felt a strong connection with its old partners, either.

Texas A&M: Regrets. The Aggies left the Big 12 for one reason. To get away from Texas. Except the Ags are going to realize, they didn't get away from the Longhorns. In the boardrooms and courtrooms and teacher lounges all across Texas, there will be Texas Exes, grinning at A&M's struggles to overcome Alabama or LSU or Auburn. And the only satisfaction A&M ever got in this bad-blood rivalry – beating Texas – now is gone.

West Virginia: No regrets. Who knows if the Mountaineers will enjoy the Big 12 or not? West Virginia no doubt would have preferred the ACC, because of geography, but that door never opened. So the Mountaineers travel cross-country, where they should be fine competitively and they most definitely will not be in the dysfunctional Big East, which started out as a compact hoops league and now is bloated from sea to shining sea, much to the chagrin of old-line league members.


Read more: http://newsok.com/conference-realign...#ixzz1mVLwtoqz

There are no damages to sue for. Because they added a tenth team, the television contract didn't lose any value. In fact, each member school gets a larger share than they did when there were 12 teams.

Some guy from Oklahoma thinks that Mizzou is going to regret the move because they won't be playing in front of as large of a crowd in the SEC tournament as they did in the Big XII tournament.

Is it too late to stay in the Big XII? This is a disaster.

If any of you are interested, they have all the arrest warrants up in this article

http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/02...-arrested.html

I'm about halfway through them and these kids were ****ing idiots. The cop more or less just called a lot of them, no referral, just said can you hook me up out of the blue.

All of the warrants have pictures too.

I expect the fees to probably be more than Nebraska paid, but probably not much.

For what reason? For the life of me, I see no justification for that.

Nebraska left an intact conference. Mizzou left a fragmented conference after 25% of the membership had already bolted.

The television contract was not reduced, so there are no damages as far as I can tell.

Neinas trashed Mizzou up one side and down the other when Mizzou had said nothing other than "we are proud members of the Big XII". That isn't the behavior of a conference that is trying to look out for the best interest of it's member and wants it to stay.



What would be your justification for anything above what Nebraska paid?

Apparently the Florida team has had 9 different players arrested a total of ten times in the past year.

So who knows?

Expediency.

If you can pay $5 million after a protracted argument, probably the initiation of litigation and a very public campaign from both sides to discredit the other OR you can pay $10 million to just wash your hands and move on to bigger and better things - you go with the latter.

I'm still not sure they'll have to, but if they do I'd imagine that will be the reason why. Rather than take shots from the conference for a year, they'll just go to a booster, get their scratch and move along.

Why should we pay them anything? They've already replaced us. **** 'em.

The answer may surpass your comprehension.

The proper use of toilet paper may surpass yours.

Shouldn't be a problem for the Big 12 to easily show that the actions of the departing schools was intentionally meant to damage the conference.

Especially in the case of Missouri where the public statements for desiring a move to the BIG can easily be presented as a harmful act towards a conference that had done nothing but help them progress as an athletic and academic entity.

If Missouri settles quickly we'll know this is the truth.

The Big 12 can then wash their hands of underperforming institutions and progress towards building a conference that contains loyal and honest parties.

Everyone wants Missouri gone but they should be held accountable for their actions over the past two years financially. That's a no brainer.

lol

Thanks, wickedmatlock. I see you have the legal side of this under control.

Try not to discuss the law.

You look even dumber than usual.

Tell me, ****head, should Texas and Oklahoma and their suck-up schools (meaning the suck-up schools they actually care about) have to pay anything for taking the conference to the brink of ruin when they nearly bolted for the Pac-12?

Or was that Missouri's fault, too?

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Should be interesting.

You can't just **** with people and walk away.

Missouri has done a pretty stupid thing.

Figuring things out has never been MU's strength.

Mizzou made this move to intentionally damage the conference? That is the dumbest comment I've heard about this whole thing yet, and I read some of WVU's fans' comments.

BTW, who said anything about the B1G? I'd be interested in a link quoting what Mizzou officials said that is harmful to the conference. I thought it was "we are proud members of the Big XII" but I would gladly recalibrate my perspective if evidence to the contrary were presented.

Oklahoma and Texas made statements publicly indicating that they were interested in moving to the PAC-12?

I admit I hadn't seen any. If they have or did I'd like to see the link because yes, you would be correct.

Oh, so you never heard about this, right? LMAO

No, you see - you don't have to wait and see on anything here.

What you said made no sense. Not only did you misstate the proper cause of action, as near as I can tell you didn't actually state proper elements or standards of proof for any real cause of action. I suppose you could stretch it into some kind of tortious interference claim or something, but even still that's probably more of an alternative cause of action than the one you'd actually proceed on (the BoK claim is far easier to make than a tort action would be).

No, you sound like an idiot and we know that in real time. Your analysis was about as useful as my dog banging away at the keyboard would have been. Regardless of how this ultimately plays out, you came nowhere near what the actual justifications for said outcome would be.

No need to wait and see - we can go ahead and call this one now: You are guilty of being a present, material, moron.

not an "official" but I would think think a lawyer could easily group together the governor and the state's flagship institution.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Missouri governor pushes Big Ten move

By Chuck Carlton / Reporter

Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon just gave a little more momentum to the Missouri-to-the-Big-Ten rumors.

In an interview with the Associated Press, Nixon, a Missouri grad, endorsed the move and offered some interesting opinions of current Big 12 member institutions.

"I'm not going to say anything bad about the Big 12, but when you compare Oklahoma State to Northwestern, when you compare Texas Tech to Wisconsin, I mean, you begin looking at educational possibilities that are worth looking at," Nixon told the AP.

"If a significant conference with a long history of academic and athletic excellence talks about you joining them, you shouldn't just say, 'We're from the old Big 8 and I remember when ... If they want to talk, we should talk, and we should listen."

Really. So you're saying Nixon runs the university? ROFL

AWESOME!

Now we're imparting vicarious liability from the Governor onto the University?!?!? I'm not even going to go into the ways that would be legally impossible in this instance, but trust me - it is.

Jesus Christ, please stop. I'm begging you, just stop. You clearly have no earthly idea what you're talking about. Again - we don't have to wait and see, we can affirmatively state right now that you have no goddamn clue what you're talking about.

Fantastic, isn't it?

We've gone from a mere BoK action, to a claim of tortious interference (I guess), to what now has to amount to a wholesale, statewide conspiracy whereupon Jay Nixon was either an agent in the employ of the University or evidently the ringleader of active fraud perpetrated by the University against the IIX, giving rise to conspiratorial liability for each one of them.

Jay better get his Lawyers on the phone - Wicklock has him by the balls on this one.

**** me - he and Braincase are in reerun-off over the last 12 hours, aren't they? It's like Wickedson saw the degree of Braincase's trolling and thought to himself "how can I appear to be even more mindless than him?"

Congrats, chief - I think you've managed.

I've read lots of blogs over the past 2 years.

Shit, I remember back in the 90's when the the Big 10 was talking about trying to Kansas and Missouri.

None of the talk equals what Missouri has been doing over the past 2 years. But it's not my job to prove that in court.

I don't remember seeing anything concrete about a school or state official saying publicly that OK and UT wanted to join the PAC-12. Only bloggers.

Sit the next couple out, champ.

Let this roll over to the next page and maybe you can act like the last 15 minutes never happened.

I just got off the phone with Jay and I'm advising him to do the same thing.

Wrong, DJ. It can be done "easily" by a lawyer. Lawyers do lawyery things, and the courts are all "damn!"

Cool. Missouri should leave without paying a dime.

Can't wait to see.

Sooner the better in my opinion.

:doh!:

Do you think it's the smoke coming out of the airplane that makes it fly? Just askin'...

I'm so glad you're a KU fan. Your fellow KU fans must feel the same way I feel about sports shrink in DC. The association alone makes everyone else look bad.

I realize Missouri will have to pay something, but I really don't see why it would need to be some outrageous amount.

The Big XII is only one big happy family in Wickedson's tiny little mind. There are the schools that wanted to leave but couldn't because the Pac-12 wisely came to their senses, the schools nobody else wants, and the castoffs that have no idea what they're getting into. But however dysfunctional they may be, they've moved on, have new members and a full schedule for next year's season.

There are no damages here, beyond KU butthurt, which really doesn't rate any consideration, monetary or otherwise. It's not like Missouri's absense left Big Texas teetering on the brink of ruin.

Don't get me wrong.

Personally I have no pressing desire to try and drain MU and A&M for as much as possible. It's not like I myself would see a dime.

The schools that did not want to be apart of the schools they've been associated with for over 100 years have left. As a fan I'm interested in competing with schools that want to be apart of what my school represents.

Did I think that this would mean having to compete with better football programs? Not really. But it is what it is. You're right, a new schedule is in place and it is time for all to move on.

And yes, I understand that Missouri will be paying something. It's a rule in the by laws of the conference.

And no, this does not mean that the Big 12 conference has won some legal battle once a check is written (or payments are withheld). However it works out.

The 'rule' is an attempted liquidated damages provision. Contract law does not allow for punitive provisions in a contract (it encourages 'efficient breach'). So for the 'rule' in the bylaws to have legal effect, the conference will have to establish that the damages of a team leaving the conference are difficult to ascertain and that the liquidated damages provision is a reasonable approximation of what those damages would be (i.e. not a penalty provision).

In other words - MU's intent in leaving is absolutely irrelevant unless you're pursuing a tort claim or something, which would be pretty insane as you'll never prove it up. Instead they'll want to proceed on the K claim. Now if MU can establish that the liquidated damages don't approximate the damages that the IIX suffered in Mizzou leaving (i.e. all that nonsense that Neinas, and you, have been spewing about the conference being stronger without Mizzou), then you're going to have a damn hard time getting those damages awarded. At that point, the damages provision would be read as strictly punitive.

The IIX is going to have to do a hard left and backtrack from their "we're better without Mizzou" if they hope to enforce those terms. And then they'll need to explain how it's 'reasonable' to base the damages on the lost revenue of a television rights deal that wasn't actually altered when Mizzou left.

In other words - in contract law, yeah - you can absolutely "just **** with people and walk away" if the plaintiff isn't actually worse off for your leaving; and if you listen to the hired representative and chief agent of the IIX, they aren't. And no, Missouri hasn't done a stupid thing at all because the law of contracts encourages efficient breach.

Again - just stop.

I love the way you just ignore the fact that there WOULD BE NO BIG XII had the Pac-12 accepted Texas, OU, Okie Light and Tech. It would be over. Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M and Baylor have absolutely nothing to do with that 100 years shit you keep bleating about. The only modern era members dating back to 1907 are KU, MU and Nebraska, which is already gone. You do realize that, right? Seriously, this century of solidarity shit you're running pushes the boundaries of dumbass, even for you.

What is the IIX?

Texas - Texas A&M first played in 1894

Texas Tech - Texas A&M first played in 1927

Kansas - Missouri first played in 1891

Texas A&M and Baylor first played in 1899

So yeah, you're wrong. Many long time series are being destroyed with these moves.

I hope it was worth it for you.

The same LHN that almost destroyed the IIX is what ended up saving it.

Once that thing fails, UT and OU are headed west. OSU and TTU can come along for the ride if they'd like.

Though at that point KU would still probably end up in the B1G; I just can't see them getting left out altogether - there aren't that many schools that do anything well left, so at least KU doing one thing well will get them the nod.

I'd still get a kick out of them spending a year or 2 in MWC limbo, though. Ultimately it would serve them right and maybe take the entitled shitheads down a peg.

I'm so glad you're a MU fan. You're constant obsession with everything KU makes us all realize we're doing something right.

Or at least something you'd like to be apart of. Shit, you live in the state for God's sake.

Talk about butthurt.

C'mon - hoss, keep on giving us that Perry Mason doctrine.

I was learning a great deal from it. You and KC_Connection have been fantastic teachers of late. Braincase has even stepped in to teach us the intricacies of lessons learned coaching middle-school girls basketball to gauge the appropriate effort of division one basketball teams using nothing but the box scores!

The knowledge you fellas are dropping on us these last several days has just made us all demonstrably better for your efforts. Thank you, Beakers - thank you so very much for all that which you have bestowed upon us.

The schools who are destroying these long-time series are the ones refusing to continue them, not Missouri or Texas A&M.

Well....

I'm no lawyer, so.

But when I have been referencing that the Big XII is now better off without MU and A&M while adding WVU and TCU I was speaking more towards the level of play on the field. I can't speak for Neinas but I can definitely see how the conference is hurt based on regional population and television sets.

So I don't think that it's as cut and dry as saying that Missouri and Texas A&M's actions cannot be held as financially damaging to the member institutions. Although the far superior football program, West Virginia doesn't boast nearly the population that Missouri does. Now can the increased level of football play offset this by making future television contracts more valuable? Maybe... that is what the Big XII needs to figure out if in fact it's worth going after additional funds in regards to the University of Missouri and Texas A&M.

We'll just have to wait and see.

Seems many people do not share this sentiment.

Facts aren't subject to a vote.

Completely agree.

Every Big XII team that has had the option to join another conference has done so. Why do you suppose that is?

They couldn't hack it in the old one?

Kansas will only agree to play Missouri if they are foced to do so by league affiliation, yet they blame Mizzou for ending the rivalry.

If I have my dog chained up in my yard for 15 years, he's not really showing any loyalty. If I then unchain him only to watch him run away and never come back, the dog ended the relationship, not me.

You are blaming Mizzou because we let you off the chain. We didn't throw you out of the yard, though. You made that choice.

Cause they kept getting beat down and embarrassed on the field?

That's the only reason that threads all four of the schools.

But I don't make decisions for them so who knows.

Thomas Robinson is going to head to the NBA without ever winning a championship in college. I guess that means he's leaving because he couldn't hack it at Kansas.

MU was given a choice. They made it.

MU needs KU to stay relevant in the Kansas City area.

The rest of the state of Missouri doesn't really care that much.

Fly butterfly, fly...

He won it last year dumbass.

{rest....of.....missouri....doesn't..........care.}


Keep going, Wickedson. I'm taking some feverish notes over here.

I am learning so much.

Nobody in KC cares about Mizzou. That's why there aren't any Mizzou posts on this KC Chiefs message board.

Why?

It's a message board. The posts don't go anywhere. They'll be here as long as CP exists.

Are you completely reeruned? Oh wait, you are. But tell me, what does ANY TEXAS SCHOOL have to do with the original Big 6/7/8? NOTHING. Why would I give two shits about the first time Baylor and A&M played each other, or when it was? And did Missouri have ANYTHING to do with A&M leaving? They left before we did, you pinhead! As did Nebraska. As did Colorado.

Your stupidity grows by the day. Do you have some degenerative disease, or actually pay somebody to cut out a little piece of your brain every morning?