It's a criminal case - not civil. The "victims" really don't have much of a say in the matter.

Quite the contrary, I KNEW they were batshit insane. :D

This is true. But since the woman is called the victim in the report I shall do the same. Anything I can do to drag Elvis through the mud :)

:D I can respect that.

I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying that the second hand story of a lady that actually didn't see anything herself isn't enough to convict someone.

She wasn't in her car. She got out of her car and threw a bottle at them. That's about as threatening as it gets.

Silly Florida girls. Either they are killing their young daughters, ****ing their students, or throwing bottles during road rage.

Yes, 99%. Dumervil is 5'11 260lbs and can run a 4.75 40. Those numbers make no ****ing sense. In any other walk of life, a 5'11 260lb person would classified as obese. NFL players are some of the most physically gifted people in the world.

So...I've seen 150 pound woman make a 220 pound man tapout on a mat.

I'd generally bet on an average NFL player in a fight against an average woman, but then again, this is a Bronco we're talking about.

Probably, but that has really nothing to do with this.

When you're dealing with people you don't know in a situation like that, you can't really assume anything. Again, it's yet to be proved that anyone brandished a weapon.

So the people in the Impala just GUESSED that Dumervil and the other dudes had guns?

Sup fellas- Chiefs fan in florida...

Florida's pretty tough on guns

He'll more than likely get "Improper display of a firearm" which is sill 30 days in the joint- he better get his lawyer on it quick and find someway around this because them judges don't play down here

Good point. I haven't seen anybody post that on any forum.

"They" didn't have "guns". The owner of the car had a firearm and it was in his glove box, only the woman claims that they brandished a weapon. And yes...she could have guessed. But more facts need to come out to be sure of anything.

He didn't have one though according to the Denver Post. There was only one gun and the owner was the owner of the car

I'm guessing you've led a fairly sheltered life if you think some bitch throwing a bottle is as threatening as it gets.

Don't throw that crap on me. You suck at arguing. I said "about" as threatening as it gets. Either way...you get the point.

:D

No, not really.

Then I can't help you.

Did Elvis get pissed because she was taller?

Yeah, that much is certain.

As long as you know. You can have the last word.

So wait...

It's a coincidence that the woman said that two men brandished two guns and meanwhile Dumervil and co. have two guns in their cars?

I mean, what are the chances? This woman can tell the future!

Unless this woman can see through glove boxes, there was at least one gun brandished. Not saying it was by Dumervil, but you have to agree that there obviously was a gun shown to her. Otherwise there would literally be no reason for her to claim there was.

Yep. A good lawyer could probably argue that they might have seen ONE of them with a gun and ASSUMED that both had them. That's the main thing I can concede at this point. It's pretty safe to say a gun was shown by someone.

There was one gun in the car. There was not two. And it's possible that she guessed...it's possible that the other told the woman about the gun. Either way the only person that has said a weapon was brandished was the woman...who BTW...started the whole thing by getting out of her car and throwing an empty glass bottle at the two men.

I'm just glad Hitler didn't attack us with bottle-throwing women - we'd all apparently be goose-stepping now.

Let me get this straight.

A girl throws a bottle at Elvis' car and shortly after calls the police because they flashed guns at her.

If they didn't threaten her with guns, why on earth would she be the one to call the cops?

She threw a bottle at their car...that's a crime last time I checked.

Something significant happened for her to call the police after committing a crime.

Don't worry Robert 3 sack Ayers will make up for the loss in production.

If the woman, or her husband, or one of the passengers in her car recognized Elvis as a professional athlete that might explain why she made the call.

LMAO :#

Not that it matters, but 7News is saying that the woman threw something "like a bottle cap."

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...19/detail.html

Like, maybe Dumervil's friend flashed a gun? You know, the guy that actually had a gun?

Each car had a gun. You still really don't believe that they showed a gun? The victims would not have known they had guns if they weren't exposed. The passenger (husband) is the one who claimed two guns, not the woman. A direct quote from the police report:

So how did the victim know there were two guns to be found, one in each car? :shrug: They will probably be able to argue Dumerville didn't show a gun but either way none of this matters because the victims will get paid off and begin to recant their story in all likelihood. But Goodell will not be so kind.

There were two guns found.
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Donkey fans will spin anything...

In Miami? I doubt it. Besides, he's a lineman. I doubt if most Bronco fans would recognize him in street clothes.

Some days you just crack me up Kevin. ROFL

I thought I read that they found one under a seat.

Yep, there was Aguste's gun, which it seems clear that Aguste did brandish, and then there's the gun that does not belong to Dumervil, was located in the glovebox of a car that does not belong to Dumervil, and that Dumervil denied knowledge of.

Is it possible that Dumervil brandished the gun then stashed it in the glove box? Absolutely.

Is it possible that Dumervil didn't brandish the gun, and didn't even know about the gun? Absolutely.

How can we tell which it is? Fingerprints.

So I'll ask again - Why has Dumervil brought Steinberg in on this?

These are some pretty serious charges. He would most likely have to hire an attorney in this situation anyways, why not hire Harvey Steinberg?

Shit Brian Banks spent 5 years in prison for a rape he didn't commit. You don't **** around with this kind of stuff.

You think if this was Derrick Johnson the Broncos fans would be defending him on here the same way?

This isn't spin class Donkey homers. JFC the orange and blue Kool-Aid is a flowing.

Steinberg probably got a hold of Dumbervil first and Dumbervil was all like 'durhh uh ok boss"

To be fair here, rich people hire expensive lawyers. That's just the way it is. Even if he thinks the charge is shit, it's not like he's going to hire some first year associate to represent him.

Seems like stories are changing after cash has exchanged a few hands to me.

Yeah I would agree. I don't see any charges or jail time but that won't stop Goodell. Big Ben got six games then appealed to four. I would expect something similar.

What stories have changed?

Oh, I get it. But if you were to believe all the stories and evidence Donk fans are coming up with, it would sound as if Dumervil were the victim here, adn that even thinking that Dumervil did anything wrong is just madness.

The Denver newspaper and Google Earth for the win!!!

agree...same bunch of dip shits would be applauding the crap OJ Simpson got away with had he been a Bronco.

Huh? Anytime you are accused of a crime you lawyer up quick fast in a hurry.
That is in no way indicative of guilt, at least not in America.

You think this is on par with the Big Ben charges?

I don't think Rapeherberger was ever charged.

Thanks, bad choice of words on my part. Accusations. The situation for which Goodell punished Big Ben.

Definitely not as severe, but the guy got suspended for just getting accused.

Yep. Even as we speak the Eye of Sauron-dell turns toward Elvis.

At this point, it really just depends on what other evidence is out there that we haven't heard about. I find it hard to believe that there weren't any other witnesses who saw this, so assuming that's the case, there should be people out there who can verify what happened one way or another.

If there aren't, and his prints aren't on the gun, it gets pleaded down to next to nothing if not dismissed entirely.

No I don't, however it can be seen both ways. Big Ben was obviously in places he should not have been, but if he was recognized the women could have tried to take advantage of his fame, which I would imagine was part of his appeal on suspension. Dumerville did apparently threaten someone, but at the very least was not utiilizing good judgment at all. Goodell's personal opinions and the fact that he doesn't like the league being seen as consisting of "thugs" will be against Dumerville for sure. Maybe 4 games appealled to 2? It seems most everyone acknowledges though that regardless of the legal ramifications, league ones will be enforced, but when and how much is the question?

6 games. Appealed down to three.

Agreed. It's a TV cop show thing that people get a lawyer only if they are guilty.

And that "source close to the situation" was Harvey Steinberg. He was at Broncos training camp yesterday.

https://p.twimg.com/Ay6KNCtCEAEj4Q_.jpg:large

his lawyer?

I'm sure what he's saying is true...
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Opened link.
Saw the name "Woody Paige".
Closed link.

It probably is true because it was an off the record comment, if it wasn't Woody Paige would have named his source in the article and provided an accurate quote.

There is nothing that goes on in Denver that Woody doesn't know first. If he wanted to be Adam Schefter he could, but for some reason he isn't into breaking big news.

What cop show do you watch?

http://blog.gcpsite.com/wp-content/u...-alternate.jpg

yeah, because it's usually in a client's best interests to say he's ****ed prior to trial...