And you whine about me bringing up race? ROFLROFLROFLROFL. Bottom line, if you don't accept Christ, who's name you have used in vain, as your savior, you don't get in the pearly gates.....bottom line.....Talk all the earth junk you want...

It always does. It so much easier for people to point at those they don't understand and to use the very stereotypes that they hypocritically denounce themselves.

It's funny, how the quantity of people who have 'educations' has increased exponentially...but the 'quality' of the education offered now is laughable.

Not only are the kids I go to school with completely ****ing oblivious...but the teachers are ****ing stupid, as well.

So, I'm used to handling the faux-righteous indignation of the one-dimensional thinkers...I do it every day.

your views are the very definition of "one dimensional"

You don't 'get it.'

I'm done with you.

Hopefully you don't ever have children.

Which have been exposed......run along son..

My kids are fine bitch...

JFC... Arrow, Wheel, and stupid bitch need banned for this cat fight. I"d settle with just stupid bitch being banned.

Ditto.

did those evil child molesters from the church you referenced earlier teach you that???

As for the race comment, you were race-baiting me, trying to say I didn't like Trey Songs because it was 'black music'...WHEN ALL I LISTEN TO IS 'BLACK MUSIC', YOU ****ING IGNORANT RACIST reerun.

Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf, Guitar Slim, James Brown, P-Funk, Luther Allison - the list goes on and on and on.

I know more about the history of black music than you, you ****ing dolt.

I said 'white word for life' simply because...my people didn't call it that, and neither did Africans. The concept of a Christian God comes from Anglo culture.

FACT, you stupid mother****er.

It's people like you who are the ****ig problem in this world. I hope you're ****ing sterile, so you don't spread your ignorant simpleton DNA to future generations.

Omf, help us all.

forget it; I'm out.

Some men...you just can't reach.

ROFLROFLcause you are just that smart! JFC!

Stupid people ALWAYS resort to cursing........

Pussies always chime in with their $.02 but don't have jack shit to say themselves.

Uh, I highly doubt you listen to more of it than me and I know you don't know more about the history than me.. You think listing a few old school acts makes you knowledgeable? that's laughable.....I can list more funk bands and R&B acts than I have space for in this window in rapid fire son...They used to say Earth Wind and Fire music was devil music if you played it backwards...but whatever.....So you don't believe that Christ died for our sins? If not, I have nothing more to say on that subject...That explains it all.

Just because a few pastors are false prophets doesn't make the word of God false.

And still too stupid to refrain from cursing.....ROFLROFL Keyboard tough guy!!!ROFLROFL Please don't hurt little ol' me!!! ROFLROFL

Is this Reapers mult?

Sure, Christ died for your sins. I think the Roman Jews persecuted him for other reasons, and that a large part of the Bible is missing; thus, the fallacy in man's organized religion...

As far as the music thing...I'm not gonna get into a pissing contest - you're probably a lot older than me, but I have devoted my life to music. Studying, listening, playing...went to Paseo (when it was a performing arts school), CMSU for a music tech degree (got an A in the History and Development of Jazz) and played guitar in the University Jazz Ensemble...at MU now, getting a Bachelor's in Sociology and a minor in journalism. I play bass in a blues band now, opening for Tab Benoit tonight (just got here, actually - about to go load-in)...so, let's just say I know who Earth Wind & Fire is. Harvey Brooks, Buddy Miles, Bootsy, etc.

So, idk what the point is...but I'm not as stupid as you assert.

Holy heck, wash your eyes out with bleach and ammonia, so you don't go to H-E-double hockey sticks.

ROFL

The bacterial flagellum is like a tiny outboard motor with a bunch of parts.

FAX

I never insinuated that it did.

Again, you brought up the 'evil pastors' in churches who molest.

Don't hurt Burt

better than Bill Nye!!

Dane logic.


Btw... this is a really entertaining thread ROFL

Anytime:D

And I guarantee you wouldn't call me a pussy in real life, keyboard tough guy!!

Oxymoron? (JK Dane, I love ya!!!)

Kinda dumb to bitch about someone cussing.

Careful, Mr. Driving Wheel.

The Department of Defense is negotiating with Mr. burt to take over control of his record collection. The Marines want to replace their rifles with it.

FAX

You don't know me very well.

At the Pittsburg game last year, this giant Jarhead Steeler fan and I got in a little jawing...and he poked me a couple times. Dude was like 6'6'', at least 250. I'm 6'0" and 175 soaking wet after a big meal - not exactly Hulk Hogan.

The second time he poked me, I told him, 'look dude, you're way bigger than me and you were in the military; you and I both know that you can kick my ass 10 out of 10 times...but if you poke me again, I'm gonna punch you in the ****ing face, right here in front of your wife and daughter.'

He apologized and sat down, and he enjoyed the rest of the game...I had to endure it, as Tyler Palko literally threw away a great game by the D and ST, and another masterful coaching job by Haley, thwarted by a shit QB.

Anyway, my point is, I wouldn't back down from you.

Not afraid of anyone, really.

ROFL

This whole ****ing thread is dumb!!!

It's like a train wreck that I can't look away from!!

:hmmm:

ROFL
Except mr. burt probably doesn't have a 'record collection'; he's got mp3s on his ipod, like a 7th grade girl...

but this whole thread has turned into YOU.


are you saying you are dumb?

Actually, all this thread, he has been all self righteous, and pseudo intellectual...but then, in the end, has to "lower" himself to the masses level and curse. I have nothing against cursing....just funny that this, self proclaimed intellectual, self righteous, prick had to lower himself to it!

No, he is saying he is a train wreck but at least they were playing jazz when it crashed.

well...I'm still replying.

Not the brightest crayon in the box...probably the upper-echelon of average.

So...yes, look at what I've been arguing with. I'd say it's been pretty dumb, and a total waste of time.

I got shit to do anyway.

Dumb shit...but not nearly as dumb as this.

Touché, Mr. Sauto...

Not a soul on this board expected you to SAY anything less.....ROFLROFL

fair enough.


im a cusser

ALMOST right....finally! Only its 3000 songs on a brick like first generation Zune!

But NOT a self righteous prick!

it's all been straightforward and logical to me.

Funny thing about perceptions...

That just may be the funniest line in the entire thread, rep.

those 1stgen Zunes were tits...

Some are correct?

More Aguilera please.....Come on Wheelie, don't tell me that shit wasn't erotic....

true true

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Tell me you wouldn't hit it.....

My 20 year old son LOVES his first generation Zune. I've tried to get him to try other players or his phone. Nope.

A little bulky @ the gym......

I'm Spartacus!

ROFL



I AM THE WILLIAM BUCKLEY OF JAZZ!!!!

For all we know due to the selfish nature of her parents Zoe may be better off going down this path. This was very much a tragedy but there are tons of bad things that happen every day. I am not sure why some people feel the need to spend unlimited amounts of time mocking those that have already paid the price of their life for their own selfish ways.

Hey guys, remember that time when Jovan Belcher murdered his girlfriend and committed suicide in front of Crennel and Pioli? Boy, that was quite a shocker.

This is not a workplace issue. Every personal problem can't be the fault of the Chiefs. It sounds like the Chiefs were aware he had issues. How deep they knew those issues ran is hard to say. This is the fault of Jovan Belcher, not anyone with the Chiefs. Unless it comes out they were aware he was homicidal, it can't be their issue. If he was receiving therapy, they can't even discuss issues coming out of that therapy that with the Chiefs. It's sad that this young man was driven to murder, but the only difference to Rae Carruth is that Belcher was not pre-meditated.

too soon.....

I was trying to steer this back to the subject and away from the 3 way competition about who is tougher and who owns more black music products.

K...I am tougher...Wheel has the better black music product collection....and bad shit happens.

This story appears in the Dec. 10, 2012, issue of Sports Illustrated. Buy the digital version of the magazine here.

For a Thanksgiving video on the Chiefs' website, fourth-year linebacker Jovan Belcher smiled into the camera and shared what he was thankful for: "First and foremost, God, family and friends just keeping me focused." To friends in private, his recent messages were more complex and unrecognizable as having come from the same person.

Reggie Paramoure, who played on defense with Belcher at the University of Maine, was texting with his former teammate last Friday night. "I see yall boys aint doing too well," Paramoure wrote, referring to the Chiefs' 1-10 start. "Wats goen on wit u besides ball."

"Yea man," Belcher replied, "our 'o' can't even put 7 in the board for us, but everything good bro, baby momma crazy but I have a little girl almost 3 month man and she's a blessing, she makes me smile on the worst day."

"Daughter!" Paramoure wrote, and then jokingly suggested that Belcher better have a gun ready to ward off future boyfriends. "Yea man," Belcher responded, "I got about 8 guns now, from hand Gunz to assault rifles for her little bf's."

The previous week's game had been the first this season that Belcher, 25, did not start. "I'm good bro," he wrote, toward the end of the exchange, "just trying to stay on the field and get this new contract but this losing s**t ain't helping."

On Saturday morning Belcher used one of his handguns to kill Kasandra Perkins, the mother of his daughter, before killing himself.

"Just the night before, I was checking up on him," Paramoure says. "That's what's so surreal, that I was literally speaking to him the night before." Belcher was generally a quiet man, says Paramoure, but, "he was very emotional. I believe that's what made him so good [on the field]."

In late October, when Belcher was in West Babylon for his high school's homecoming game, he avoided the sideline, lest he be asked to give a speech. "To get him loud," says Ollie Roy, 30, a longtime friend from the area, "you'd really have to piss him off."

It could, however, be done.

According to Steven Barker, a former defensive back at Maine, Belcher once had to get stitches in his thumb after he punched a glass panel during an argument with Jessica Higgins, his long-term college girlfriend. The team was forced to run as punishment. "They had their arguments and fights," Barker says, "but nothing crazy." It was, as far as anyone knows, an isolated incident. Most of the time, Belcher was the ideal student-athlete.

Still, Cosgrove knew better than to presume that he could see everything inside his misfit toys. "Everyone has a dark side," he said on Saturday on Maine's campus. "I do know that for all Jovan's successes, he didn't have successful relationships with women."

Kasandra Perkins, 22, was, technically, a girlfriend. But for all intents and purposes, she was a spouse. Belcher and Perkins referred to one another as husband and wife, and Belcher's mother called Perkins her daughter. Belcher brought Perkins and her relatives to a Fourth of July block party in West Babylon last year. On Matthews Avenue, the block where Belcher grew up, it was a big deal.

West Babylon is 80 percent white, but a small geographic triangle that residents refer to as "the CMG" -- because it contains Commander, Matthews and Gordon avenues -- is overwhelmingly African-American, and extremely close knit. Bringing a significant other from out of town to the CMG really meant something.

Roy saw Belcher at the July 4th party and again on the block this October. Belcher was friendly -- he knocked on Roy's door, as always -- but, to Roy's surprise, did not mention his daughter, Zoey, born on Sept. 11 in Kansas City. People who knew Belcher and Perkins in Kansas City had seen the cracks developing in their relationship.

Brianne York, 21, befriended Perkins at Metropolitan Community College-Blue River in Independence, Mo., and noticed that football and a new child were straining Belcher's and Perkins's relationship. Perkins would mention, unhappily, that Belcher was often out late doing "team bonding stuff," she says. According to another of Perkins's friends, Devene Dunson-Rusher, team bonding sometimes meant drinking, and Perkins was uneasy with some of the Chiefs players with whom Belcher was carousing. Before Zoey was born, says Dunson-Rusher, Belcher wanted Perkins to get a job. After the birth, according to York, Belcher was upset when she didn't clean the house. According to Belcher's friends, Perkins wanted to upgrade their lifestyle and move to a different house. Perkins did move to another house, but not with Belcher.

She left with Zoey and moved first into the home of Chiefs running back Jamaal Charles, whose wife is Perkins' cousin, and then in with her family in North Texas. But the couple reconciled, and Perkins moved back in with Belcher last month. Belcher's mother had just moved to Kansas City from West Babylon to help care for Zoey and take some pressure off the couple. Briefly, by outward appearances anyway, the two were happy again.

Belcher and Perkins, York says, enjoyed going to gun ranges together. Once, when York was at the couple's house, she noticed a handgun on the kitchen table. "I guess they forgot it was out," she says. Dunson-Rusher recalls once seeing a rifle leaning against a chair in the room she called Belcher's man cave. Again, underscoring how wide the gulf can be between one perception of a man and another, every one of the West Babylon friends of Belcher's who spoke with SI had no idea he was interested in guns.

According to a law enforcement official close to the investigation -- and contrary to published reports -- Belcher spent Friday night "partying" with another woman at the Power and Light District, a bar area in downtown K.C. He returned home between 6:30 and 7 a.m., at which point he and Perkins argued. Then, with his own mother in the house, Belcher used a handgun to shoot the mother of his baby girl nine times. He then drove to the Chiefs' practice facility in a Bentley so new it had temporary plates.

At the facility, Belcher jumped out of the car holding a different handgun and encountered general manager Scott Pioli, who was heading into the building. Belcher thanked Pioli for giving him a chance as an undrafted player. He then confessed that he had shot his girlfriend and insisted that he was not going to jail. He asked to have head coach Romeo Crennel sent out. Crennel emerged, and Belcher thanked him too.

Crennel and Pioli pleaded with Belcher to put the gun down, but Belcher was beyond coach's orders. He turned around and walked about 20 feet. He took a knee -- as football players do at the end of games from the time they're in peewee -- and shot himself in the head.

Inevitably, those who knew Belcher were left wondering what they could have done. Before she blocked her Twitter feed, Higgins, Belcher's girlfriend at Maine, wrote, "I just can't help but to think what if I didn't miss that phone call." Said Jets defensive end Mike DeVito, who hosted Belcher on his recruiting trip to Maine and played alongside him for three seasons, "I wish I had stayed in contact with him, because you'll always wonder, could you have helped?" Said Jarrod Gomes, who played safety in college beside Belcher, "We can't believe it. ... We're trying to figure out what was really going on in his life."

If Belcher needed urgent help, none of the people who spoke with SI knew it. "I'd never seen any outbursts," said Willis Miles, Belcher's uncle.

A video on the Kansas City Star website shows Belcher sprawled on the floor of a church, patiently tutoring an eight-year-old in reading. On Belcher's public Facebook page, he "liked" photography and Family Guy. As professional athletes go, he seemed so knowable. But "likes" can go only so far in revealing the true substance of a person and just what is going on in his mind. Now, all who knew Belcher -- from his mother, Cheryl Shepard, who was to return to New York with her orphaned granddaughter, to the player's friends in Kansas City, Maine and West Babylon -- are left to wonder who they really knew.

Chris Almonte, a 23-year-old father of six and a friend of Belcher's from the CMG, was working in his yard when he got a phone call with the news on Saturday morning. It was so at odds with his conception of Belcher that all Almonte could think to do was to bury the phone in the hole he had been digging, as if that would make the news go away.

Like Cosgrove, Belcher's high school coach, Albert Ritacco, has been around football players long enough to understand what he cannot understand. "I can't find anything negative to say from the four years I coached him," Ritacco says. "But trying to understand what goes on in a man's life outside of football is a little different. I don't know why things happen in life. Who knows?"

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz2E7ahPJyJ

Nice article chiefsando's..thanks.

Offense cant even put 7 on the board. True dat Jovan.

Just more proof that Brady Quinn was right on the money. How much do we really know the people in our lives?

I've gotta admit I'm really shocked over listening to a couple of Quinns interviews after the incident.
He speaks well and sounds intelligent.
I always thought anything beyond vitamin milkshakes and doing laps around the track was beyond him.

Hmmm but did you listen to him I mean really really listen to him.
Was he reaching out with his hidden feelings that nobody meaning he doesn't communicate with the rest of the world anymore.
Its all that crazy facebook and twitter..when he said that he seemed to tense up.
Is there some underlying issues within him.
I sure hope his friends in the locker room are on this.

Maybe I'm reading into this..or not..

I don't understand any of this...

the story above, "Arguments over relationship and financial issues had simmered for months between them, according to the sources."

But did you listen to him I mean really really listen to him.

How do you mean?

Um, no. And no where have I stated as such.

What I said was that the Lamar's state of health was so poor that he was in no position to endorse or deny a draft choice.

Here's the deal: He was diagnosed with prostate cancer in the 90's. He'd had it for a while, and like many men, "toughed out the pain". Unfortunately, by the time he went to doctor, it had metastasized. At that point, all the doctors could do was slow it's progression.

As for Belcher, with each passing day, his issues seem to grow deeper and deeper. The Chiefs were clearly aware of his issues and demons.

Whether or not they did "enough" is up for debate. But make no mistake: They knew what was going on .

Do you know how easy is it is to run a background check on ANYONE?

In the past 5 years, we've hired eight different nannies and interviewed double that number.

There are services online that check EVERYTHING. Are you willing to believe that the Chiefs are SO ****ing stupid and backwards ass they that FAILED to perform their Due Diligence?

IF they had, they'd have found a very troubled man.

It's not that ****ing hard to figure out.

And you're a dumb ****ing ****.

Yet, dumb mother****ers want to hire Marty ****ing Schottenheimer as General Manager.

LMAO

What a bunch of ****ing reeruns.

What evidence do you have that supports this? You're like a black belt in the art of conjecture, breh.

Yes.

And I'll give you the same look my wife gives me about 8pm...

Do you need a refresher? Is it my obligation to link every story that's been released by SI, CBS, the NY Post, the KC Star and so on so that YOU are up to date?

Really?

Maybe I do.

I have gathered that he argued with his girlfriend about their relationship and finances like millions of other couples probably do and that he once punched a window a long time ago because he got mad. What am I missing?

Not sure if you're serious. But if so, that's just silly. Chiefs did nothing wrong here. You can't control everything and everyone. Unless it involves candy wrappers.

Are you certain?

They may have and they may have not. I think it's too early to make judgements of culpability.

I hope the Chiefs are in the clear because it would be even more disastrous for the fans, but it's far from certain. There's been a substantial amount of info revealed in the past few days and it wouldn't surprise me if a civil suit was filed.

I'm not stating that as fact or as a certainty but again, it wouldn't be a shocker.

Disagree. 100% They knew he was having relationship troubles. Therapists don't disclose details back to employers. It's called HIPAA. Lot's of players never disclose substance abuse issues to their team for fear of jeopardizing their contract/career. Chiefs did what they could and have no blame here. At least by the details that are currently available.

The ****, dude?

They knew he was a trainwreck.

He should have been CUT.

Based on current info, I'm sure. Obviously, that could change based on new info.