:thumb: Shocking concept, isn't it? The GM/coach have mutual respect and trust each other to do their jobs, and yet aren't so detached as to not know what's going on with the operation. The GM scouts, acquires, and signs the best players...and the coach gets the best out of them.

I hope so.

I know we never want to hear about the Patriot Way ever, ever, ever again.

But this is exactly how they do it there and it works beautifully when you have the right staff to make the right talent evaluations. And it's a much harder job than it sounds.

The Packers were doing business like this long before the Patriots and their stupid ****ing way.

The Patriot way is Tom Brady.

I don't give a shit who did gets credit for starting it. I am talking about the way you can structure your organization to support a powerful head coach without giving him too much power.

Bellichick basically dictates the strategy, but he completely trusts his personnel guys to pick the players. That's what will happen in KC. It's a good model for a guy like Reid to follow.

You think Belichick let's other people pick the players?

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BREAKING: #Chiefs to name Dorsey as GM, Childress as OC. You heard it here first, folks.
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Well see how this plays out

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And Childress was having dinner with Reid last night on the Plaza too appears hes the lead dog for the OC job #chiefs
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Well technically, he wasn't the first.

Ya lol. ALL kudos to you man!! Thanks for the updates!

Great to wake up to this. Keep the rumors coming man thanks

It's all I have right now. People gotta sleep.

Yup i got some good sleep. Sleeping well knowing KC is in good hands

Because Cassel and the rest suck. Pioli's biggest mistake was letting Weis leave

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As expected, the Bills have hired Mike Pettine as defensive coordinator. Pettine had been with Jets previous four seasons.
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cross pettine off the list

Trading for Cassel was his biggest mistake.

Most definitely.

I just think about all the QB's we could have drafted but didn't because of him.

Absolutely. Weis was a Band-Aid to try and cover that mistake.

this new power structure for the Chiefs IS the Patriot Way.


LMAO

It's the Patriot Way without the nepotism, fraud, deceit, or poisonous environment.

I'm fine with that.

Per an attorney I just spoke with, Dorsey's wife is/was a lawyer in KC. Also apparently a nice guy.

This is ground breaking information here

You forgot megalomania

I've been on vacation, sue me.

What is the name of Dorsey's wife's law firm? Maybe they'll take the case.

:spock:

What are the latest rumors on this guy? There was a draft expert guest on 810 this morning that talked about him 2-3 times like it was already a done deal.

http://www.stationcaster.com/player_...c=373&f=960471


10m 30 sec mark Packers might protest the move.

Can they? They can't stop him from taking a promotion...

Yes, if they feel he doesn't have final say in KC

From a college scouting standpoint, yes.

Pro personnel, Bellichick called most of the shots, but that's not uncommon for a lot of coaches.

The Patriots approach to talent evaluation is well documented.

I'm starting to wonder if that isn't what's holding this up and why Clark and the Chiefs have gone out of their way to talk up the power of the incoming GM.

Dorsey would report directly to Clark though, so the NFL would clearly view that as a promotion, given that Dorsey reports to Ted Thompson now, and not the stockholders of the Packers.

Agreed. They could protest, but it wouldn't get them anywhere other than pissing Dorsey off. Let the guy have a chance as a General Manager.

It's only based on what I've read, but it sounds to me like a significant promotion.

I don't know what the hold up is. I was told it was essentially done 2 nights ago.

The Packers can't really block him. It's semantics and there's no way the Packers can prove he won't have significant say. He doesn't need final say to leave as long as the Chiefs give him a GM title.

How long has Dorsey held his current position with the Packers?

“Final say” could become an issue for G.M. hire in Kansas City
Posted by Mike Florio on January 3, 2013, 5:23 PM EST
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With Andy Reid reportedly poised to become the next coach of the Chiefs (of course, it’s been close for six hours now), plenty of names are bubbling up for the position of G.M., if/when Reid takes the job.

Here’s the most important thing to keep in mind when assessing who may end up in that job. If it’s a guy like Packers director of operations John Dorsey, the Chiefs technically would have to offer him final say in order to wrest him away from Green Bay, if he’s still under contract and if the Packers opt not not to release him from it.

Of course, plenty of teams have given “final say” to the G.M. even though the coach was actually in charge. It happened when the Browns hired George Kokinis from the Ravens and when the Dolphins hired Jeff Ireland from the Cowboys. Teams generally don’t like to pick fights over these issues, and Dorsey has been a long-time, loyal employee of the franchise. So maybe he wouldn’t need a cheesecake with a file in it to get out of Wisconsin.

Still, regardless of who it ends up being, the issue of “final say” could become an issue in hiring a G.M.

Bad Guy is hearing something from someone directly involved in the situation, yet you area arguing with him?

Nope All I'm saying is the Chiefs need to offer him final say.

Biography

Has served four tenures in Green Bay: first as a player (1984-89); second as a college scout (1991-1997) and director of college scouting (1997-98); third as director of college scouting (2000-2012); and fourth as the current director – football operations (2012-present).
Served on the NFL College Advisory Committee.
A linebacker during his playing days, was a fourth-round pick of the Packers in 1984, enjoying a five-year career in Green Bay.
A four-year starter at Connecticut (1980-83), was named Defensive Player of the Year in the Yankee Conference each of his final two collegiate seasons, also earning Division I-AA All-America recognition as a senior. Is a member of the school’s 100th Anniversary All-Time Football Team, selected in 1998.


John Dorsey, now in his 22nd year in NFL player personnel, was promoted to director — football operations in May 2012, his fourth tenure in Green Bay. He previously served 12 years as the Packers’ director of college scouting.

An effective player for the Packers during the 1980s, Dorsey oversees the college side of Green Bay’s scouting operations, and also is actively involved in the area of pro personnel.

Brought back to the team as director of college scouting on May 8, 2000, by then-Executive Vice President/General Manager Ron Wolf, the 52-year old Dorsey earlier had been a key component in Green Bay’s personnel operations for nine highly successful years. First hired as a college scout in May 1991 with a focus on linebackers, he was retained by Wolf the following year and, ultimately, was promoted to head up the Packers’ college scouting department on Feb. 27, 1997, succeeding John Math, who retired.

Hired as director of player personnel for the Seattle Seahawks on Jan. 26, 1999, as he followed former Packers coach Mike Holmgren to the West Coast, Dorsey resigned that position just over a year later, leaving shortly after the 2000 NFL Draft.

Selected by Green Bay in the fourth round of the 1984 draft, beginning his initial Packers employment, Dorsey played five seasons for the team (1984-88) at linebacker and on special teams before spending a final year on injured reserve in 1989. He totaled 130 tackles as a pro, in addition to two fumble recoveries and one pass defensed. Dorsey led Green Bay’s special teams in solo tackles in three of his first four seasons, a level of play which helped earn him selection as the Packers’ special teams captain. His 35 special teams tackles in 1984 are still a club record. Possessor of a streak of 76 consecutive non-strike games played, Dorsey saw that string end when he suffered a freak knee injury in pregame warmups of the team’s ’89 season opener.

A four-year starter at the University of Connecticut (1980-83), Dorsey was named Defensive Player of the Year in the Yankee Conference during each of his final two collegiate seasons and is the all-time leading tackler in the now-defunct conference’s history. He also earned Division I-AA All-America recognition as a senior and, in 1998, he was selected to the school’s 100th Anniversary All-Time Football Team. In 2002, Dorsey was inducted into the Anne Arundel (Md.) County Sports Hall of Fame. He graduated with bachelor’s degrees in economics and political science.

Heavily involved in the community throughout his playing career, especially with the Wisconsin Cystic Fibrosis Foundation, Dorsey currently serves on the board of “65 Roses.” He was voted as the Packers’ Man of the Year in 1987 for his civic contributions. At the professional level, Dorsey is on the board of directors for National Football Scouting and is a former member of the NFL College Advisory Committee. He is also a member of the NFL Scouting Combine selection committee, and is a voting member of the collegiate Butkus Award (given to the nation’s top linebacker). Dorsey is the only NFL voting member of the Harris Interactive College Football Poll.

Dorsey was born Aug. 30, 1960, in Leonardtown, Md. He and his wife, Patricia A. Sexton-Dorsey, reside in De Pere, Wis. He also is the father of three sons, Bryant, 25, Austin, 21, and Jack, 1, and a daughter, Catherine, 3.

In his spare time, Dorsey enjoys playing golf, reading and running – having completed two marathons.

http://www.packers.com/team/staff/jo...d-4d693e8586bd

I was told they have to offer him a general manager job. It's semantics who has the final say.

The Packers have granted permission to talk to him. Once they do that, it's my understanding, if he's receiving a promotion, which the title clearly is, he can leave.

It's like a team hiring a QB coach away from another team to be their QB coach and offensive coordinator and not having him call plays on gameday. It's still a promotion financially and responsibility wise.

Dorsey would get both here as well.

In four paragraphs, Florio says nothing of substance.

I thought this would be announced yesterday, wonder what the holdup is? Maybe they are wanting to wait and announce GM, DC, OC all at the same time?

I wonder if it's possible that the experience with ***** (and his contract) has created some issues. i.e. things we want in Dorsey's contract.

The Chiefs have only interviewed Farmer for the job and he's talking to Cleveland now.

It's Dorsey's job. I just can't get any response as to what the holdup is.

Hate to bug you Bad Guy, but whats the word on the Cardinals and Horton?

When I get any new info, I'll post it.

Or you could just post some made-up shit now, Athan style.

Or post it several days later and treat it like breaking news.

Thanks.


Figured you would, or already had, just didn't wanna wade thru CP to find it. My bad.

****, Bad Guy. We're giving you all sorts of viable options here.

dorsey has been staying at my apartment in independence since Monday waiting for Clark to call. It should be soon, and I ****ing hope so. The dude keeps drinking my Sunny D.

I don't think so. I'm pretty sure any promotion above his current title is fair game.

I bet Dorsey wants to bring a lot of GBs scouts with him and the Packers don't want that to happen.

I can't see that happening either.

You know what?

I bet it's a mutual respect/unwritten rule thing not to announce a hiring prior to the teams playoff game. I'd JIMP if we announced Dorsey as GM and Kevin Greeene as DC right after the 49ers beat that ass.

Don't think it has anything to do with that. If it's not announced tomorrow though it won't be until next week.

Yeah, I'm hoping it's tomorrow. If it is, I'll come to love Fridays even more.

Maybe Andy and Clark are just waiting until Friday, to amp up everyone's weekend?

Good sign a HC is a good one, when his coords go on to be good at what they do.

Nah hoping to get more free shit from PF Changs

LOL, doubt thats where they go on the plaza.

Keith Britton ‏@KeithBritton86

Hearing #Chiefs dir pro player personnel Ray Farmer likely to be in #Browns front office, perhaps in GM role



Good news for us

Yep. And congrats to him.
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If true, I wish the dude luck. It doesn't exactly look like they're building a powerhouse staff there in Cleveland.

No s***.

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Whatd he say?

What the hells going on with this?

Nothing new. Just gushing about Dorsey. Speculated that the delay in signing him has something to do with the Packers still being in the playoffs

**** you, Doug Pederson.

?

It's just fun to say...

I don't get the appeal for this guy... he's been associated with mostly crappy teams in KC.

It does seem kinda strange.

WRAP FG

I have no clue what the hold up is.

Source insisted all week that it was a done deal. However, today, he seemed as clueless about this as anyone.

Could very well be the playoff issue.

Rooney rule for interview and potential quota hire. :rolleyes: