they are not doomsday scenarios

the fact that you think we sat in a 2 gap and blame it entirely on Romeo is laughable. The scheme switch is not going to make that much of a difference unless the talent gets better. We were in plenty of pass rushing formations last season and still could not get the heat the formation was designed for. That falls on the players. Period. Two guys have the skillset on this team to rush the passer and you are just dreaming and being a complete homer in assuming that anyone else is just going to magically break out. That's a pipe dream, not production.

I'd want nothing more than Dontari Poe to come out and be the next Neil Smith but I'm going to be realistic and realize the guy is green as grass.

I think the fact that they signed a 30-year old corner tells you this is probably a stopgap move, regardless of contract. I don't see Dorsey as a guy who will sign a guy, then not look to the draft for a replacement. Dorsey so far seems like a guy who wants to draft based on his board, not because of need. This kind of move creates less urgency to fill in a need through reaching for a draft pick or overpaying an okay guy to a contract that's harder to back out of. It helps him stick to his board.

I'm not saying this is the right strategy. I want to reach for a qb in the first regardless. But for cornerback, I am okay with this approach.

What concerns me more is the tenor of the fans thinking that it is somehow 2005 again and that free agency is going to solve our problems.

They're acting like this is a one year fix and it isn't. Just because we have jack and shit in the way of depth doesn't mean we should look to the least efficient mechanism to fill that depth.

Rebuilding like this is a sure way to get to mediocrity, but it won't get us above and beyond that.

Romeos defense is not aggressive. And we were very often asking two gap guys to play 1-gap. And the bulk of their training was 2-gap. A scheme switch will make everybody on the front 7 effective except for our two d-ends. And we obviously need another ILB, but that role shouldn't overly affect our pass rush.

Tell Pittsburgh that scheme means nothing. They can literally plug guys off the street and field a Top 5 defense.

It's a start.

It's evaluating holes, seeing we have cap space, and responsibly filling what we can before the draft.

There are no blockbuster deals.

FA hasn't started yet and the draft hasn't happened and I'm already more likely to buy a ticket than I was last year...

Training guys not to stand at the line and play patty cakes can definately improve a pass rush I would think.

You guys put far too much emphasis into scheming and gapping, and are arguing about all of the wrong topics here.

Dunta brings versatility, either as a CB or FS. I love lewis at FS, so I see this being a Dunta at CB. The upside is we have a very good nickel corner, Arenas, and the frontline versatility to swap between a 4-3 and a 3-4 with the players currently under contract, all we are doing now is either improving the talent at the starting position, or adding depth.

Flowers, Robinson, Berry, Lewis. That sounds like a pretty solid secondary when you toss out names like Hali, Houston, and Johnson out there as your linebackers.

There might be a shakeup in the Defense just a bit, but I'm willing to guess it'll be Robinson/Berry on the strong side, and Flowers/Lewis on the other, which works magically for us.

I'm actually even more excited about Dunta now, more than earlier. All we need to do now is found a bloodhound for ILB/MLB and we are going to be set like a mother****er defensively.

I know people are going to flame me for tossing out the name of a "bust" out there, but what's the update on Maualuga from Cincy? Is he hitting FA?

They can consistently plug in ROTY guys because they consistently draft them...

It's as important to be able to teach and develop as it is finding a talented player. Many guys with extreme talent fail.

I would be more concerned if we brought in guys like Eric Winston that we treated like a 5-year solution. As I've said before, I am not a fan of the Alex smith trade, but am okay with it if it is a stopgap to an aggressive search for a young replacement. Same here with Dunta.

It seems to me that Dorsey was asked by chunt to build a team that is at least good enough to bring arrowhead back to life immediately. I can understand why hunt wants that, as he doesn't seem to want to give a gm yet another 5 year wait and see strategy. I still believe that Dorsey at his core believes in the draft. A move like this seems like one that can help us win some quick games today to revive arrowhead, while not panicking in the draft. More than anything, this move doesn't look to me like a move that will hurt our long term strategy.

We aren't likely going to have blockbusters before the period starts. However, I just hope that fans and management understand that this is going to take a few years. The truth is that we have so many holes on this team that they aren't all going to be filled in a single offseason.

Top 5 defense, QB that can win you games, and an 8-8 record last season, 3rd in the division.

It's not the move itself, but the philosophy of several moves like this stacked upon one another and the expectations of the fan base as a result.

I agree that the goal of this offseason is to refill Arrowhead as soon as possible. I also find that goal abhorrent. The goal should be to build a football team that can consistently compete for championships, and that's very difficult to do if your team hangs out in the purgatory of mediocrity, because you aren't going to get easy access to the most valuable assets in the game, young, impact, cost-controlled talent, especially when you are already down multiple second-day draft picks.

"i love Lewis at FS"

Are you a masochist?

NEIN!

It does not have to! It only does if we don't do a good job evaluating our own talent, adding new talent, and ****ing the draft up all to hell.

YOU CAN CHANGE THE ENTIRE DIRECTION OF A TEAM IN ONE OFFSEASON!:cuss:

Um, people need to get over the idea that Kendrick Lewis is part of anything solid for us.

Dunta Robinson is coming here to take his job.

We won't be top 5 defense I think 8-8 is more than reasonable. If we do this, and we get several impact and depth players from the draft I'm KEY positions (pioli focused on non key positions),then we had a very good year.

I don't think we can afford another miserable season. I also don't think we want a playoff season built purely by stacking the deck without having a pipelineof young guys to replace those mediocre players. As I've said, I don't like the Alex smith trade, but if he starts all year but we have top notch options to replace him in a year or two, im ok with the trade. And no... Top notch does not mean grabbing a raw guy at a value pick unless you are absolutely convinced about his upside.

Where is the proof that Dunta Robinson is going to play FS? It sounds like echo-chamber-constructed supposition.

I'm a big Lewis backer and I'd be more than fine with that...

Nooooo

Who's going to play corner across from Flowers?

It isn't going to be Arenas. And why would Lewis step down to Robinson at FS? Dunta's knock is zone coverage, FS is primarily for zone coverage coverage.

You don't bring the FS down into the box to put 8 in the box, you bring down your SS (Berry) who excels in run support.

If Dunta plays Man well, and we notoriously play man well, and are missing a CB opposite flowers, it stands to reason that we brought Dunta in to star opposite Flowers, but in a role similar to Asomugha in Oakland, I see this being a bit more specific to the defensive scheme rather than "line up on that guy". I think with Reid here, we're going to see Berry and and Robinson lined up opposite the Offense's strongside, playing to our secondary's strength immensely.

Taking the right exit on the Interstate doesn't get you all the way to the destination.

So far.

I really, really hope he's here for FS.

We could draft the best CB out there and then have a locked up secondary...

There's a whole offseason to go to decide that...but it's not Robinson. He wasn't brought here to play CB after he was utter garbage in Atlanta.

The Bad Guy's source said he was playing FS.

And I have a hard time believing he's being brought here to play CB after how bad he was in Atlanta.

It can get you to the playoffs though.

And that's step 1...

Stop, put it in park.

That statement was directed at the 2012 Pittsburgh season and has nothing to do with the Chiefs, at all.

It just goes to show you that a QB that can win you games does not always translate to good team performance.

he was decent last year. As long as he isn't the CB1 I'm good with signing him

What the **** ever, dude. So far we have resigned our best players that were drafted by this team and added one free agent for a gaping hole, and traded for a decent - not great, but at least legitimate - starter at quarterback. I'm not a fan of Alex Smith at all, but you have jumped to hyperbole.

This is not rebuilding through free agency - it's just getting ready for the draft. What the ****? You want them to have drafted Milliner instead? Well, too bad. That's kinda hard to do today, considering that, you know, the draft isn't for another month and a half.

Man, some of you people are truly in full meltdown mode. I'm still cautiously optimistic that the QB position will be addressed in the draft and Alex Smith will not start every game in 2013.

If KC can trade down and still draft a QB in the first or early second, I will not complain for one second, even if its a guy I don't want, like Matt Barkley. At least they will have gone for it. Despite hating the Alex Smith trade, I am reserving my full-on "this franchise refuses to do it right!" panic for when we have officially not taken a QB in the draft.

still wish we had kept Carr last offseason but what can you do?

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http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md...9d7mo1_500.gif

Actually, he has.

Also, if he was utter garbage in Atlanta, a team that was on fire and one of the most picked at the beginning of the season to make the super bowl for the NFC, how did that team make it into the playoffs? I mean, if he was such a liability and all.

Ohhh, I get it, you're focused on statistics that show Dunta is below average, when the same statistics suggest that Dunta was thrown against considerably more than say, our #2, because Atlanta was winning, and Kansas City was losing.


Honestly, it surprises me how much you people forget the laws of football statistics when making an argument.

A team that is winning, runs. A team that is losing, passes.

It would stand to reason that the statistics have an inverse relation in this case, do they not?

Dunta was on a winning team and got thrown against quite a bit, yes? It would stand to reason that his statistics are inflated due to that. Also, consider for a moment the quality of opponents the Falcons faced last year before you pass judgement.

anybody have access to football outsiders?
I'm curious to see Dunta's DVOA numbers

They scored more than Gono at the Playboy mansion...

I'm glad your homerism has convinced you Dunta Robinson is good, but he's not.

The guy got beat, a lot.

When only 4 guys in the league allow more yards, you get moved to free safety, because you suck as a CB.

And the move actually makes a lot of sense, because he can hit and tackle, two things Kendrick Lewis can't do at all.

It does help to basically have 4 pro bowlers at key positions on offense to allow your defense to be a bit more blitz happy :P

It seems to me that Reid and Dorsey are systematically filling holes on the roster so that they are not forced to draft for need. This good be a damn good thing for those of us wanting a first round QB, or it could mean no QB for sure. We will just have to see.

I will feel better if we sign a FA right tackle and extend Albert.

Actually, believe it or not, Free Safety is one of those positions where Tackling is less important, and your ability to ball hawk comes at a premium, something Kendrick Lewis has done a great job at.

Why would we go after Dunta, and then miss out on Sean Smith if he was coming here for FS? Are we moving Kendrick to Corner now?

You don't just move guys away from their native positions.

Older CBs get moved to S sometimes..

Tackling is important at every position on the field.

Get ready to:

A) Kiss Kendrick Lewis' terrible ass goodbye.

B) Welcome Dunta Robinson to FS.

Because it's happening.

Thank God. Lewis ****ing sucks

We're going to sign an equally bad CB DRC.

Kendrick Lewis is injury prone and a horrid tackler his ints he makes don't make up for how shitty he is at fundamentals.
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i know this concept is very foreign to us Chiefs fans but....

imagine this idea for a second

When you have good to decent QB play, like Atlanta has, you can afford to have shitty burn victims for CBs on the downswing of their career. Imagine that. If we ever got a QB worth a shit we could also give up having turds at other positions, but in fact we need to be built like a Ravens team with Trent Dilfer or in this case a 2011 49ers team with Alex Smith to have a punchers chance, and that requires good positional talent.

Lewis s awful. Not much dif in fs and as anymore

:spock:

the funniest part about Kendrick Lewis is that he was a 5th round pick with escalators in his contract for getting a certain amount of starters snaps and statistics, so the contract went up way more than what a 5th rounder is worth or, better yet, what he is worth

that's a Scooter Pioli draft pick for you

Lewis job security has taken a major hit this off-season.
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I'll fight the wave on this one and hope he restructures.

He clearly has the talent he's just......****......pulling a Bartee the last year...

There isnt

You can say that with just about everyone on the roster at the moment.

I'm not disagreeing with you - I'm just not sure what you were trying to say...

Neither Dunta nor Lewis are "old", you don't move a young FS to CB though, unless he's physically gifted in bump and run.
Tackling is important at every position? No shit sherlock. Tell me, did you play football at some time in your life to learn that notion? Because I did, and man did my life change once I found that out.

If you were to rank tackling by position on the Defense, FS would be near the bottom in terms of skill priorities.

If we can get him cheap enough, I'm all for that. I am not a Brown/Daniels fan at all, not even a little.
He's injury prone because he got injured for the first time last year? That statement doesn't have weight to put behind it. Funny, Eric Berry has been injured more often than Lewis, and I don't hear you saying how injury prone he is.

Also, tell me more about how bad of a tackler a Free Safety is, because as we've discussed here for the last page or two, I think I've made it clear that the FS position doesn't have a huge emphasis on tackling players.

Before you change the subject to cry about something entirely different, remember the following.

The Atlanta Falcons defense gave up the 5th fewest points in the league, in the NFC South.

I'll repeat that. the FIFTH FEWIST, From the NFC SOUTH.

Offense or not, you don't get to the playoffs if other teams score on your "burn victims" as often as you score on theirs.

Yes, the Atlanta Falcons have a powerful offense, but they had a very good secondary as well, it included Dunta.

Make any argument you want, Atlanta didn't win solely on the merit of their Offense, and Dunta's numbers are inflated by the combination of the success of the Offense, as well as the Defense.

Um, you're an idiot. Kendrick Lewis is a great selection.
Or I don't know, maybe you guys watched the same games I did, but he was hurt last year. Like Berry the year before..........

The free safety and strong safety in today's nfl isn't much different. Lewis is the old regime, move on

Lewis has had a shoulder problem for 2 years now. And he's not moving to cb he'd move to the bench.
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Is someone, ANYONE, defending Kendrick Lewis??? Really?
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Lewis is a slow fs that takes bad angles and doesn't tackle. Meh

You've lost your ****ing mind. Did you not see the work Lewis put in when Berry went down in 2011 with people named Sabby Piscatelli in there?

The kid is heavily underrated and I find it shocking that a "chiefs fan" would even suggest moving away from Kendrick Lewis.

When we had Carr here, between Flowers, Carr, Lewis, and Berry, we had one of the best secondaries in the league.

Yeah, he's a good player. Are you really that surprised, or is your memory that bad?

He does not take bad angles, and you throw out there bad tackler like anybody gives a **** at the free safety position.

I guess this guy will be mad when Lewis is riding the pine playing st and occasional defensive snaps.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Dunta Robinson will be 31 next month. That's ancient, even if your name is Deion Sanders. If Robinson doesn't move to safety and he's expected to start at CB, you're looking at a Stanford Routt situation all over again.

Kendrick Lewis is a former 5th rounder that's slow and can't stay healthy. There is absolutely no way he's moving to CB, unless he's moving on to the Arena League.

I won't be mad when Lewis is our starter at Free Safety for yet another year, and next year we will have this talk, and it'll be the same.

"Lewis is slow, and he's a poor tackler".

Sounds just like the arguments Ravens fans have made about Ed Reed for an eternity. the only difference is that Defense is solid enough to shut down the run 24/7/365 and force teams to throw, giving Ed Reed who is an excellent ball hawk, a chance to make a play.

Surprise.

LMAO

Ed Reed and Kendrick Lewis in the same breath?

ROFL

Did you really compare Lewis to Reed? Put down the pipe seriously.
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Can you explain why he was 102nd out of 118s CB in coverage ranking?

That has nothing to do with his offense, and everything to do with him getting beat over and over and over and over...

He's our new FS! Enjoy!

Can't stay healthy? He wasn't the starter in 2010, but took over for McGraw and started every game.

Started every game in 2011.

Started half the games in 2012 due to injury.

Yeah, he sounds real injury prone. Tell me more about how Kendrick Lewis is so PRONE TO INJURY, that he's only had one injury take him away from significant time.

Do you know what the word Prone means? Do I need to buy you a dictionary?

PS, I'm not sure if you knew this or not ,but DB's aren't generally the fastest athletes, and age isn't a huge issue for most of them.

Charles Woodson, Champ Bailey, Ed Reed, John Lynch, Rod Woodson, I could go on to name you same middle 30's DB's who have played a pro bowl level.

Yeah, they are both 1 of 32 starting Free Safeties in this league, and he is one of the most talked about "poor tacklers" in this league, I figured I'd draw the comparison to Reed to prove my point since people were whining about Lewis's tackling.

See the above response since your brain doesn't seem to function properly.

First, show me in what statistic you are referring to, as there is no "definite" list of ranked DB's anywhere.

Second, do I really have to draw you a ****ing picture on why?

Kendrick Lewis missed 10 tackles last year in only 565 snaps.

He had the worst tackling efficiency rating IN THE ENTIRE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE.

A guy like that should not be starting on any defense, anywhere.

Here's a definite list for you. Dunta Robinson is horrible.

http://i.imgur.com/f1HDuYA.jpg

He doesn't play free safety to tackle.

He plays free safety to prevent opposing QB's from throwing over the top of Flowers and such.

Or do you not know how our defense works?

a little food for thought

Dunta's skillset and age is about the same time that Dorsey and the gang converted Charles Woodson from CB to that roaming Safety/CB hybrid into his career and they got 5 good years out of that type of scheming

So there is hope. It just depends on the type of person Dunta is at this point in his career. Is he still the guy that's writing nonsense on his sneakers in games on Sunday? I doubt it, he got his money, now he's just looking for a job.

the funniest part here is we sniped someone from the BRONCOS. And that's in part to what a 2-14 team? How about having Andy Reid. Andy Reid stole Dunta from the Donks and somehow convinced Dunta that here is better than a team with Peyton Manning and a short Super Bowl window. Imagine that. That right there in itself is something a Scooter Pioli team could never be able to do, pluck FAs from visiting good teams and convince them here.

Imagine a year earlier Andy Reid instead of Scooter Pioli and Peyton Manning definitely would have made a visit here.

they should sign Sheldon Brown as a stop gap how the hell is that guy still good

I don't want a graph, I want the raw numbers that affect his Coverage rating, so that I can show you, easily, how much you just overused a rating scale that is easily skewed due to a number of factors concerning Atlanta in 2012.

I'm going to enjoy this, because your quick reliance on PFF/FO charts has shown you to be a bit sheepish, I love sheeps.

next you'll bring up madden ratings.

He's the worst tackler in the NFL.

He has no place as a starter on any defense.

i told you guys Javier Arenas is a younger, better Dunta Robinson. They are the same exact player lol

Did you just compare Dunta Robinson to Charles Woodson?




/Sarcastic Irony

Not much drop between Carr and arenas?

Sure thing there, champ.

He was thrown at 97 times and allowed 64 completions for 835 yards. Quarterbacks had a 102.4 QB rating throwing at him.

According to whom? I'd love to see Tank Tyler out there playing Free Safety and trying to run down and Tackle Vincent Jackson.

See that? That is what we call a variable, and in the school of math and logic, I'm going to be your professor and how to view variables and statistics.

Go on, feed me something else.

Except Javier doesn't hit people.