Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan (Post 9491444)

Joeckel, is going to be a better pro than Geno Smith.

At least Andy thinks so.

Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 9490565)

Interesting that Reid and Dorsey go after a guy from a non-WCO background.

Originally Posted by candyman (Post 9490718)

This move was made strictly for ticket sales. Chase is not a WC qb, no other reason to go after him

Originally Posted by houstonwhodat (Post 9490807)

Hey you guys might be surprised.

He's been learning behind one of the best, Drew Brees.

Chase can sling it deep.

The limited time I've seen him (because Drew starts every game) he's looked real good.

He just needs some consistent snaps.

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9491464)

I doubt it.

Geno Smith is a QB. He doesn't have to do very much to prove he's a better player than Joeckel.

If Joeckel becomes the next Willie Roaf, that's one thing. But if he smells even REMOTELY mediocre (like Jake Long even) he'll be pronounced a monumental bust. Geno is a far better bet.

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9491488)

Sam Bradford's been kind of meh as a #1 overall pick, hasn't he?

If Geno Smith manages to be AT LEAST Sam Bradford good (a VERY reasonable goal in my opinion) then he automatically becomes a better pro than Luke Joeckel.

Because Bradford and Smith are QBs. And the year is 2013, not 1913.

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9491488)

Sam Bradford's been kind of meh as a #1 overall pick, hasn't he?

If Geno Smith manages to be AT LEAST Sam Bradford good (a VERY reasonable goal in my opinion) then he automatically becomes a better pro than Luke Joeckel.

Because Bradford and Smith are QBs. And the year is 2013, not 1913.

Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 9491494)

Depends where Geno is drafted. If it's high, he'll be judged harshly. If he falls, he gets a tiny benefit of the doubt.

But everyone's eyes are on the QB. A lineman gets much more of a pass.

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9491502)

Let's say the worst happens. Chiefs draft Joeckel, Raiders draft Geno.

Joeckel plays as well as Jake Long. Geno plays like Matt Ryan.

Jake wins.

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9491502)

Let's say the worst happens. Chiefs draft Joeckel, Raiders draft Geno.

Joeckel plays as well as Jake Long. Geno plays like Sam Bradford.

Geno wins.

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9491502)

Let's say the worst happens. Chiefs draft Joeckel, Raiders draft Geno.

Joeckel plays as well as Jake Long. Geno plays like Sam Bradford.

Geno wins.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9491512)

If Geno's taken anywhere in the top 10, we made a mistake in judgement. If he goes in the top 5, we made an enormous one, because the trade and signing today essentially killed two birds with one stone by guaranteeing that we aren't drafting him, and therein likely guaranteeing that nobody will trade with us, or, if they do, we'll be giving them a discount that would make Sam Walton blush.

That's the thing not enough people are talking about. It's not just about failing to draft Geno Smith. They absolutely killed their flexibility. They can look at all the ends and tackles and corners they want, nobody is moving up for any of them. And anybody that wants a QB just has to get to 2 now.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9491430)

I always thought Daniel could be a poor man's Jeff Garcia.

I don't mind the signing itself whatsoever. In fact, I would have loved for us to sign him with a chance to compete with a rookie QB for the starting job this season. What bothers me is that it indicates that we're going to piss away the most valuable pick in the history of the franchise on an overrated LT who will replace a very good LT that we already have, thus ensuring that the previous year of abject misery was a complete waste.

Originally Posted by okcchief (Post 9491575)

I feel the same way. I love bringing in Daniel if he's competing against a rookie QB.

Originally Posted by WV (Post 9490545)

Isn't next years class supposed to be worse than this years is perceived?

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9490557)

Looks like dogshit to me, yes.

Bridgewater, Logan Thomas and Aaron Murray. If none of this year's crop is worth a high pick, none of next year's crop is either.

Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan (Post 9491580)

He would be a perfect mentor to a young guy.

Originally Posted by MeatRock (Post 9491598)

What? Daniel needs pro experience to be a mentor to any rookie QB, thus he has none.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9491388)

Yep.

Alex Smith is literally to me exactly the same move as trading for Cassel 4 years ago.

Yes, he's maybe a slightly better player, but we've once again given up a 2nd round pick, this time for a guy literally nobody wanted in free agency a year ago. Once again for a guy that can't operate a offense that leans in any way towards the pass. Another anchor that mandates a 550-carry RRbC mind-numbing ball-control/clock management offense that plays not to lose. Another anchor that guarantees continued playoff futility unless we have both the best running game and the best defense in the league, and even then it will be a close thing at best.

And it's absolutely head-scratching, because none of that is what Andy Reid has done in the past.

I guess the hope is that he can turn Alex Smith into something he never has been, and was never projected to be coming into the draft.


Chase Daniel, on the other hand, I don't really care one way or the other about. It seems like a waste of 3 million, but it's not my money.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9491662)

Well,,, they did just go get the top available QB and backup Qb available, so?????

Originally Posted by DisgruntledFan (Post 9491241)

Yea...mentally, I'm checked out. No more Season Tickets, no more buying any new chiefs apparel. This team is dead to me, 2013=2009. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...well, I'm not being fooled again.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9491695)

I know absolutely nothing about Chase Daniel, other than he received the best possible coaching and mentorship over the past four years in New Orleans.

Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willie (Post 9491699)

Welcome to MY two weeks ago. This FO is just not that good, and that's all there ****ing is to it. But there's good news: you can join myself and others in pure, unadulterated hate!
Consider this; the careers of the "Herm Guys" are pretty much dead under these fools. Because of lateral FA moves and complete ineptitude at addressing the QB position, our best players will more than likely never see the chance for a ring under Reid/Dorsey. That's an AWESOME reason to hate, and hate with GUSTO. Join us. Join the darkside. It helped kill Peeholi, and you can get in on the ground floor of killing these two fools as well! Just meditate on it a while. You will see.....it is the only way.
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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 9491297)

guys I dont know much about Daniels...


This has to be win though right? I mean this is andy ****ing reid

the man who got us Alex Smith and Fasano

the guy who is going balls out on a OL with the 1 overall

this is win right?

Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willie (Post 9491724)

I say this in all sincerity; I think a true mental illness has set in with these men.
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Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan (Post 9491729)

Genius usually starts out as madness.

Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan (Post 9491702)

He did. And he was allowed to leave, and not pursued by one team that was looking for a starting qb. He is the equivilant of Colt McCoy.

Smart as hell, but doesnt have the arm to make the throws necessary.

He is a back up qb. Thats all he is ever going to be.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9491695)

I know absolutely nothing about Chase Daniel, other than he received the best possible coaching and mentorship over the past four years in New Orleans.

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 9491317)

This is my happiest day as a Chief fan in years! PBJ

Originally Posted by okcchief (Post 9491737)

I bet you his arm is as good as Alex Smith :)

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 9491743)

people play the "mentorship" card a lot more than it needs to be played.

drew brees doesn't "mentor" chase daniel. drew brees works on his own game and gets his timing down with this wr's and Oline because he's the starting Qb.

this is a misconception that many fans have. Just because one guy was a backup behind someone that is great, doesn't mean that guy will pick up his game and imitate him.

Most players will tell you that you have to be your own guy. Rodgers will tell you that Favre didn't help him do shit. If he had a question or wanted to talk about certain things they would, because they're teammates, but the "mentor" card gets played waaaaaay too often.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9491755)

LMAO

Chase Daniel was around Drew Brees every single day for four years. Whether or not there's intentional mentoring, Daniel, as a undrafted free agent, learned how to prepare from one of the best QB's in the game and from some of the best (if not THE best in Payton) coaches in the game.

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 9491775)

And Matt Cassel was tutored by Carson Palmer AND Tom Brady, so what?

Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan (Post 9491444)

Joeckel, is going to be a better pro than Geno Smith.

At least Andy thinks so.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9491800)

I'd have a bigger issue if Chase Daniel was signed to start.

He wasn't.

If Daniel can come off the bench occasionally and win some games, like Feeley, Garcia, etc., it'll have been a great move.

Hopefully, he never sees the field.

Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willie (Post 9491802)

Around here, we dont "trust the process", and we dont give a **** what Carl, Marty, Scott, John or Andy ****ing THINK. So PLEASE; get that through your thick ****ing skull, and stop posting stupid comments like that.
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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 9491812)

The problem isnt he wasnt signed to start, it's that he's signed to be a 'project' guy who is a backup and therefore reason enough not to draft a legit prospect QB in the next 3 years.

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 9491812)

The problem isnt he wasnt signed to start, it's that he's signed to be a 'project' guy who is a backup and therefore reason enough not to draft a legit prospect QB in the next 3 years.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9491818)

Sorry, I don't buy that, at all.

You're projecting.

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 9491834)

In relation to your feelings about Dorsey, then why trade for Alex Smith when you could get the same type of player, for all intents and purposes, in a Matt Moore or David Garrard?

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 9491834)

In relation to your feelings about Dorsey, then why trade for Alex Smith when you could get the same type of player, for all intents and purposes, in a Matt Moore or David Garrard?

Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willie (Post 9491802)

Around here, we dont "trust the process", and we dont give a **** what Carl, Marty, Scott, John or Andy ****ing THINK. So PLEASE; get that through your thick ****ing skull, and stop posting stupid comments like that.
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9491842)

Matt Moore wasn't available and David Garrard hasn't played in the NFL since 2010 and is 34 years old.

You know, the league year just started today and there's seven weeks until the draft. I think there's a very good chance that the Chiefs trade out of #1, pick up additional choices this year and next, which will "ease the pain" of the people that feel like the #34 was too much to give up for Alex Smith.

Plus, if he actually wins something, all will be quickly forgotten.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9491815)

Who's "We"?

I called out Pioli and Haley as frauds in early 2009. But I believe in giving Reid and Dorsey some time to reshape this roster and put a plan in place because the Chiefs have been an epic cluster**** since 2005.

It's funny how 99.999999% of this forum was all for giving Pioli a "pass" for 2009, making all kinds of excuses for his shit moves such as Cassel, Toomer, Goof, Thomas, etc. and so on.

Yet, the new GM that's spent the past 21 years in Green Bay and a man who coached his team to five consecutive NFC Championships and a Super Bowl are already considered morons just a few weeks into their tenure.

It makes no ****ing sense.

Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan (Post 9491852)

David Garrard just signed on as the back up to mark sanchez.

Matt Moore just reupped to back up with the phins.

The draft class is super weak at qb, the free agent qb class is weak as hell.

There are at least 5 teams that need to upgrade at qb, and none thought those two were worth shit.

Im not sure if its more people underrating alex smith, or overrating these scrub ass qbs.......

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 9491868)

Only Arizona and KC wanted Smith.

In a "weak" draft and FA class.

One of those teams could never trade for AS unless the pulled a Ditka.

What does that tell you?

Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan (Post 9491879)

Says who? There were several teams linked at one point or another to Alex Smith, and first of all, the 49ers were not going to trade Alex Smith to the Cardinals, so either KC was bidding against themselves or there was another team out there who wanted him.

I had read rumors of the Jets, Bills, Jags, browns all at one time wanting alex smith.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9491695)

I know absolutely nothing about Chase Daniel, other than he received the best possible coaching and mentorship over the past four years in New Orleans.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9491800)

I'd have a bigger issue if Chase Daniel was signed to start.

He wasn't.

If Daniel can come off the bench occasionally and win some games, like Feeley, Garcia, etc., it'll have been a great move.

Hopefully, he never sees the field.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9491891)

Positives:

Very accurate on short and intermediate routes.
Football rat
Intelligent
Underrated mobility
Better player in pads than in gym shorts

Negatives:

Short
Weak Arm. The farthest he's thrown a ball on a crow hop is about 64 yards
Unknown at this level.


He definitely wasn't a choker at MU, but I never felt like he laid the smack down against a good team in an evenly-matched game. He played well against Kansas, but OU was able to frustrate our offense in all the games he played. He had otherworldly talent. Maclin, Rucker, Coffman, Danario, and Will Franklin were all NFL players.


He had a bad reputation around Columbia as a bit of a drunk and a douchebag. Almost like a homeless man's Roethlisberger.

He has the right combination of intangibles and underrated, but passable physical skills to give him a chance to be a very good backup QB.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9491898)

Daniel is also friends with Warren Buffet, so he'll likely have an excellent retirement portfolio.

Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willie (Post 9491893)

I gurantee you by week ten that boy WILL be seeing the field, and in HIS case; I'll actually cheer for the Chiefs Quarterback.( picks up his dice ) Come on sweet concussion; daddy needs a new QB!
And remember; I was behind this move from the get-go, pointing out that Daniel was better than any option on the roster, ****-O included!
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9491900)

Thank you for the insight!

:thumb:

Do you believe that there's any way that he's improved his mechanics enough under Lombardi and Payton to where it's possible that he improved his arm strength, or were his mechanics never in question?

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9491900)

Thank you for the insight!

:thumb:

Do you believe that there's any way that he's improved his mechanics enough under Lombardi and Payton to where it's possible that he improved his arm strength, or were his mechanics never in question?

Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan (Post 9491910)

I dont think his mechanics were ever the problem. He just lacks the ability to drive the ball. He can float it, almost anyone can float a ball, he cant drive it at all. Much like Ryan Fitzpatrick.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9491918)

His footwork would have needed a little work coming out, and he was terrible under center, as all MU QBs have been.

I haven't seen enough of him in NO to have an informed opinion about his arm strength.

It's possible, but even with improvement, at his best his arm would be somewhere between Green and Huard.

Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan (Post 9491909)

god you are such a loser. Seriously, if you got hit by a bus tomorrow, i would literally smile. You are that big of a piece of crap.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9491921)

Mechanics are issues for every Mizzou QB. Shut up.

Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willie (Post 9491927)

**** YES! NOW WE ARE GETTING SOMEWHERE! Thank you Reid/Dorsey! If for nothing else, thank you for creating a perceived threat to ****-O Smith and his little pet Hobbit! WIN.
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9491918)

His footwork would have needed a little work coming out, and he was terrible under center, as all MU QBs have been.

I haven't seen enough of him in NO to have an informed opinion about his arm strength.

It's possible, but even with improvement, at his best his arm would be somewhere between Green and Huard.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9491941)

I don't think Daniel's mechanics are an issue. He just doesn't have tremendous arm strength.

I read something earlier today about measuring QB velocity, think it was on here. Daniel's was much higher than I expected (it actually was elite).

Doesn't track with the guy I've seen in game action.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9491941)

I don't think Daniel's mechanics are an issue. He just doesn't have tremendous arm strength.

I read something earlier today about measuring QB velocity, think it was on here. Daniel's was much higher than I expected (it actually was elite).

Doesn't track with the guy I've seen in game action.

Originally Posted by jackkked (Post 9491933)

Lurking in here in off season sure does suck, what a bunch of single minded fools,time to get over it. Let the chips fall and let's hope we are better off than you kooks play it too be.

Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 9491963)

Right because Alex Smith and Anthony fasano are going to turn a 2-14 team into AFC champs next season

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9491977)

The Chiefs have made some nice moves so far but I think it's unrealistic to expect them to win enough games in order to reach the AFC Championship.

Originally Posted by Bump (Post 9491957)

If Chase Daniels played for Tennessee or some shit, you guys wouldnt even care lol. You'd say "camp fodder" and the thread would be over in 3 pages.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9491900)

Thank you for the insight!

:thumb:

Do you believe that there's any way that he's improved his mechanics enough under Lombardi and Payton to where it's possible that he improved his arm strength, or were his mechanics never in question?

Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 9491985)

I doubt we will win 8 games, personally. Hope I'm wrong......I thought we could win 10 last year in the off season though......