49ers defense held Arizona to 5 yards rushing. I guess Alex Smith does have all the time to put up nice stats when his #1 defense gives him good field position and the Arizona defense is relying on John ****ing Skelton to score them points/move the ball

So basically if he does good it's because of someone else, however, if he steps in poo it's all on him.

That's what we refer to as a double standard.

LMAO Bono was the King of game managers.

Again. 18/19, 3 tds, no picks, and that same defense, IN ATLANTA, forced Matt Ryan who is a much better qb than Alex Smith, into 5 ints. Take it, twist it, however you want. He had his best game of his career, and one pass away from going down as the all time leader in completions in a game. The only reason he didn't get it, was he didn't throw a pass.
No, those are the Alex rules. And, if you defend them, you are called an alex sexual, or an alexexcuser. There aren't ordinary rules when it comes to Alex Smith. It's Alex's fault that the 49ers have an elite defense, its alex smiths fault that they had elite special teams, and an elite run blocking oline, and an elite running game. That is all alex smiths fault. That's the way this game is played.

He threw for 232 yards.

If this is the benchmark for "WOW WHAT A GAME BY ALEX" I'm horribly disappointed.

Efficiency above Fantasy Football hoopla.

:facepalm:

Again, if a top end performance from Alex Smith is 232 yards, I'm not impressed.

232 yards should be an AVERAGE game for a top 10 QB.

that was "good game" for him and he still took FOUR sacks

so even when he plays a great game hes still taking sacks like Damon ****ing Huard cause he holds the ball unless the guy is for sure wide open.

and that was behind a top 3 offensive line in the NFL. We have a rookie at RT that's going to have growing pains. Not to mention a first timer at LG (or a journeyman that hasnt played a full season since like 2010) as well and a Center that has yet to play a full 16 game season.

Dude might take 50 sacks this season

I'm not sure he will survive a 50 sack season
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he wont he usually gets hurt by the 25-30+ sack mark, except that good 2011 when he took 40+ sacks in a full season

unless Andy Reid's offense has him dinking and dunking the whole time, his biggest flaw will be taking sacks/hits and hes injury prone the way it is. A bad potential combo.

But hey we got butt chin as our #2 QB so our season will be fine.

I don't understand why you are focusing so much on yards thrown?

There's a shit ton of QBs that very well may have been great if they fell into the right circumstances. How does that saying go? Something like "opportunity is when circumstances meet with timing". Something like that anyway. </break> What if Steve Young was drafted by the Chiefs under Marty? He'd be a blip on the radar that NFL fans barely remember at this point as opposed to a great QB. Coming out of college Jake Plummer was one of the most highly touted QBs but he wound up being drafted by the Arizona Cardinals. That's the same death sentence for a QB as being drafted by the Chiefs. </break> Seriously be honest with yourself, the Chiefs have the foresight of the evolution of the NFL the equivilent of what my grandfather had with first person shooters and MMO video games. They're just clueless. Maybe Reid and Dorsey can change that, I hope they do but I don't I'm not getting my hopes up anymore. </break> This is the same team and ownership that had Joe ****ing Montana and didn't draft a QB for him to mentor. You might as well be working for Atari if you want to compare the NFL and game evolution.

It means he usually finishes off his drives, rather than stalling at the 20 or 30 and allowing his kicker to set the club record for most points scored in a season.

Because Alex Smith sucks at throwing for a lot of yards.

That wins games, son.

This isn't 1995.

You don't need your QB to air the ball down the field all the time in today's NFL. That's a misconception.

The quarterbacks who pile up the yards are the ones winning games today.

Most of those yards are yards after the catch, which is the same thing Alex Smith is gonna be doing here.

Puppy dogs and rainbow farts for everyone!

Big Ben threw 20 TD's and 2,869 yards in passes thrown from the LOS to 20 yards.

Tom Brady threw 26 TD's and 4,101 yards in passes thrown from the LOS to 20 yards.

Hell Brady threw 21 TD's alone on passes either behind the LOS or 1-10 yards out.

Not sure why we are comparing Alex Smith to QBs who throw for more 300 yard games per season than he does for his whole career.

there's a reason you chose to use LOS-20 rather than LOS-10. You bunched in short and intermediate yards together. Brady kicked his ass in intermediate passes.
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Thats worked well so far for Cam Newton, Tony Romo, and Matt Stafford.

Excellent new username. You are now rockin' it in Club Hate.

Hatah's gonna' hate, and winnahs gonna' WIN.
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There was a lot of back and forth between stats vs. wins, points, etc., pretty much without end on the Niners boards.

At the end of the day, I suppose, points win games. Alex had 13 TDs and 5 INTs in about 8.5 games. I suppose that would put him on a pace for about 25 or 26 and 10 at the end of the season. Decent numbers, nothing to get really excited about. And that was with a stellar defense and running game.

On the other hand, that was how Harbaugh played it. Singletary and Jimmy Raye's game was run, run, pass, punt.

So, still a bit of an unanswered question, I suppose.

I think people also fail to mention in this whole debate, a qb who can move the ball downfield in big chunks, is simply more fun to watch. Who wants to see a qb throw the ball for 180 yards per game. Part of the equation is winning games, but being bored to death in consistent 10-7 thrillers isn't exactly getting my money's worth. Probably why I will always prefer watching Drew Brees play.

Very good point. (As long as he's not throwing for 400 yards but getting picked 3 or 4 times a game.)

So you probably love quarterbacks like Tony Romo. A guy that can dazzle with big numbers and throws downfield.. but will also kill your chances of winning with some turnovers.

SF had a quarterback named J.T. O'Sullivan back in... 2008, I believe... with Mike Martz as OC. JTO was the QB you allude to in your post. The problem with JTO was.. along with the chunk plays he'd make down the field, he would fumble the ball and throw very costly interceptions. So when it came down to it? JTO was a more fun guy to watch. Turns out JTO was a detriment to the team when regarding chunk plays vs turnovers.

Some folks prefer that fantasy football gaudy numbers... some people prefer the QB that plays smart, field position football.

With Reid on Alex's side, I think you will get a nice mix of both. You'll get a QB that will take more chances than you expect... but will also play smart football that won't cost the team wins.

It really just depends on the gameplan and team around Alex. If you have a kick-ass defense and STs? but conversely have limited receivers, OL blocking, or an offense in need of crawling before they walk? It makes sense that Reid limits the "risk-shots" of his QB and plays field position ball.

Seems Alex is being persecuted by some because he had a strong D and STs with SF the last 2 years. You want more yards.. but that wasn't Harbaugh's gameplan. He recognized that our offense was a work in progress... many players didn't know what they were doing... the pass pro OL was an evolving beast... the overall creative design of the pass game was the last aspect to evolve... and that wasn't due to the QB.

Actually he mentioned Drew Brees. QBs like Brees, Aaron Rodgers, can put up big numbers without being a turnover machine.

You said that the defense fueled that SB run.

Yes, the Pack D played well in those playoffs, but to say that they fueled the run is utter bull.

Aaron Rodgers had one of the greatest playoff games ever in that WC game against the Falcons, and he came up big in clutch moments in each of the following playoff games, including the SB.

The Pack D finally showed, but Aaron Rodgers fueled that run.

To say anything else is dumbassery at it's best.

So if Alex does become a gun slinger type, are you taking the over or the under on 15 INTs?

What about 20?

I think he could easily beat 20.

If gunslinger mode is engaged? then 15 sounds about right for the high end. Likely something closer to 26 TD and 11 INT.

If his targets are running their routes properly and not volley-tipping lots of passes, there won't be a large amount of picks.

He wont be a gun slinger and he wont be asked to be one.
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if he was a gunslinger he'd be taking a lot of sacks dancing around that pocket waiting for routes to develop trying to decide if he has the arm strength to fit it in the window or not.

i'd rather him just get it out quick and throw 5 yard dinks and hope for the best

But if he stops waiting so long and just goes Farve lite what would you think his INTs rise to?

They completely blew out the cardinals, how many ****ing yards did he need? He only needed to throw 19 passes in the entire ****ing game Clay. That's the point your dumbass keeps missing. When your team is leading huge in the second half, you aren't going to be throwing the ball all reeruned. Why? Because you don't have to.........That's the point you just wont get.
Yes, a top qb, who doesn't have a top shelf defense, and the number one running game in the league. Both of which the 49ers had with Alex Smith at qb.
Sacks Happen. They happen to everyone, even the great Aaron Rodgers. He takes sacks too.
Well, okay. Drew Brees lost a lot of games last year throwing for a ton of yards. Matt Stafford threw for a lot of yards. Yet the super bowl winner, in the regular season, didn't pass 4 k.....where was brady, Rodgers, and brees? Oh that's right, at home.......
Games. Cool, regular season super heroes. The same shit you pissed off malcontents said you didn't want, nor care about. Remember, sneaking into the playoffs just to get blown out. That's what you guys didn't want. Yet, teams that have good defenses and running games, are the teams winning championships. Yet, you want that GUNSLINGER. whoooo hoooo.
That's because they have to carry their teams, and those guys are the exceptions......
They had the leagues worst defense during the season, which was a huge reason they went into the playoffs as the 6 seed in the NFC. Their defense played lights out in the playoffs, which is why they won that title... Their key turnovers in the playoffs, is the difference between them winning and losing in the playoffs.
There is no way that he will pass over 20.... FIrst of all, Alex Smith is still going to rely on the running game. and why shouldn't he. Jamaal Charles is a top 5 running back. Ill say his max ints will be about 13......
I don't think that Alex Smith has that in him. He is too ingrained in doing whats best for the team. Hes never going to become that guy. He may become more aggressive under Reid, but Brett Farve lite? Never going to happen, and if it does, it means that things have gone complete to shit for the Chiefs. And that isn't going to happen.

He won't have a top 10 D this year.

That's far too many. He's here to protect the football and stop-gap the Andy WCO.

Period.

That number is way above his average for the last 2 years (which is really all the pro-Alex guys want to look at.)


THat's my point. Alex found his gold zone his last two years.

Phat Andy wants him to top 30 passes per game...

well yea if Alex Smith could throw for 300 yards and had the arm strength of Rodgers I dont care if he takes 10 sacks a game

the fact that the averages are like 4 sacks a game @ 170 yards is the difference of converting a key third down in a 10-7 game in my opinion

and that's a sick way to watch your team piss away a win cause of your limp dick noodle arm QB

His arm is fine. He can make all the throws...

You could be right, I think that it is going to be a give and take. Or at least for the best for the Chiefs, I believe that if Alex, and Andy can come to a middle ground on this, where Alex has some say so, and freedom to check down to a run, or to audible freely when he sees fit, that that could work. I am of the belief, and some of it naïve more than likely, that part of Alex Smiths cautious approach the past two years, had more to do with who was looking over his shoulder, and knowing that too many crucial mistakes could cost him his job by the chosen one. That is my hope, and that with no such worries here, and a coach that is 100 % behind him, perhaps he will open up a little more. I unlike many here, remember 2009, the end of it, where Alex Smith was let loose by Jimmy Raye, in the Raye-Gun, and played VERY WELL throwing the ball multiple times a game. Of course, he felt he had nothing to lose, and played like it. I am hoping he gets back to that Alex Smith.

yea 10 yards or less

His numbers and record were not good under the "Raye-Gun."

He's a pansy that chooses to go that route.

He has the arm to throw anything...

I am only talking about, from when he took over for Shaun Hill in 2009. At halftime of the Houston game, from that point, to the end of the season. He played very well. Then in 2010, after they drafted Iupati, and Anthony Davis, Mike Dingletary, forced Alex Smith, and the 49ers offense back to ground and Pound ball. And that's when Alex Smith sucked again. But in 2009, those last 7, 8 games, was the closest that Alex Smith has looked to being a competent qb who could actually lead the team, instead of being a part of it.

The Harbaugh version of martyball is exactly what made him a respectable QB...

I am not disagreeing with you at all. Not one bit. Harbaugh salvaged anything that could be construed as a career for the guy. No doubt about it. Good thing the Chiefs on paper have a very good oline, and great running game, and plenty of pass catching tight ends.

not a big arm, but ya, good enough for pro football. he did not have WR's that could even get down the field fast enough until the last few seasons. He and Jamaal plus Bowe should be a pretty good trio this season. Jamaal is a great WR in this offense because his footing is so good and he is a master at setting defenders to run seams.

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Last 7 games that season...

146 - 253, 58%, 1542 yards, 12 TD's, 6 INT's

That's averages of 36 passes per game for 220 yard per game average with 2:1 TD/INT.

Season would be over 3500 yards with roughly 32 TD's and 16 INT's.

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Someone made a video about Clay. :)

LMAO

Had to steal this for DC ROFLROFL:clap:

Thanks for affirming what I thought. I thought that he played well, even though I saw only two games that year, because I was deployed.

And to the Video. That is exactly how I view Clay lol......

He's learning to be more aggressive at the team buffet line/Reid.

Are the Alexsexuals trying to defend Alex based on mythological statistics that include a 58 percent completion percentage? LMAO

Reaching much?

FYI, Alex will never, ever hit 25+ TDs in a season...much less 30.

That's funny as hell...the 49ers averaged 19.5 points per game during Alex's last 8 games of 2009.

This is your savior...less than 20 points per game....

Pathetic.

You're crowing over 220 yards a game.

That's in the bottom third of the league.

Ahhhh. you are a special kind of stupid. Every time I address you now, I think of that video....
His best players, were a 6th round pick in josh morgan, a rookie who missed all of training camp, and the first six weeks of the season in Michael Crabtree, a suspect oline, remember, pre Iupati, and pre Anthony Davis, and a head coach that absolutely DESPISED throwing the football. But, you go right ahead. make fun. Again. the winning super bowl qb last year. 3800 yards in the regular season. Debate that fact PFT BOY. Oh, wait, you cant? That's what I thought. Just back down Clay. You are over matched, outwitted, and out skilled. Cute changing my name though trollio..... I have zero problem being the flag bearer for Alex Smith. I look forward to all of your excuses this year as to why the Chiefs are winning games. I really do.

You're crowing about 19.5 PPG...yet I'M stupid.

You're going to be DESTROYED this year, munchkin.

oh, and side bar. Im NOT CROWING over 220 yards a game. I am specifically saying that he has proven that if he is asked to throw, its not going to be as big of a deal, as some think. But, please, I don't want to disrupt the boards trollio, numero uno from maintaining his schtick, and having to face the facts in his face. Watching him spew out his reerunation day after day, week after week, IS FAR MORE FUN. But, when ever you want to get serious, we can place bets on how Alex is going to play this season. Man up chump. But be sure to ask your mom first.

Care to place a wager on your statement?

Alex Smith will play like the mid-tier QB that he is.

Which is a vast upgrade on anything we've had since Trent.

Will it be good enough? No.

At least watching the Chiefs will be tolerable in 2013.

You want to bet?

Alex wins at least 8 games for this team or you leave for a year.

He wins more than 8 I'll leave for a year.

Your balls...present them.

lol, Nah, not even close. You are going to be miserable this season. Absolutely pissed off, and miserable. All of your months of lunatic raving preaching doom and gloom, are all going to be naught.

I stated it from the day I got here. 10-6 at a minimum. Alex Smith will set career highs in yardage, and tds.

Bet me on it. Please, im begging ya.

if Alex Smith plays all 16 games he'll probably have between 25-30 TD's

GoChiefs is just a troll.

Nah those bets are gay.

Why you root against the Chiefs is baffling to me.

I TRULY thought Huard was a better QB for our Herm team during the great Green/Huard debate.

You just argue the unpopular side because you know you'll get into these petty arguments. At least I call things how I see them and don't feel the need to troll Chiefs fans on Chiefs related topics.

PFF is his gospel.

Alex Smith was the 8th best rated QB in football in 2011.

And just so it is clear. 8 wins, and its a push. More than 8, you leave, less than 8, I leave. Sweet. I look forward to it.

He doesn't even have to leave, I could care less about that. I am far more interested in the "alex smith was carried by Charles, the oline, and the defense." I live for those. I really do.

and he probably will be

Alex Smith is just a game manager. It's whatever. At least he won't directly lose games like we've seen the past 4 years...

and maybe he can still make that leap. He made great strides the last 25 games. No reason to think he's going to regress without Harbaugh. It's not like Reid hasn't made guys like Kolb look excellent in the past.

I specifically quoted your statement I was willing to bet on. If Alex Smith ever throws for over 25 tds you have to leave for a year. If he retires without ever throwing for 25 tds, I'll leave for a year.

Your vagina...wash it.

Geno isn't even going to beat out Mark ****ing Sanchez.

After we saw no QB's go within the first 15 picks, everyone should have finally just got over Alex Smith and realized it's a good thing we made an aggressive move for an actual QB that can play the position reasonably well at a professional level.

And PLEASE about the compensation...I don't know how many times I have to say it...2nd round picks are VASTLY overrated on this board. I've proved this a countless amount of times and no one ever responds to it because they can't.

that's not a fair bet

Clay has value on this site. You don't.

This has to be loaded. If it happens, Clay leaves for 5 days. If it doesn't, you leave for an eternity.

That's more fair.

What sets Alex Smith apart from other qbs, is he has zero ego, and could care less who gets the lime light, as long as the team is winning. It can be a negative, but, as you said, hes never going to lose you a game, and always give the best players on the team, the chance to have the spot light, and succeed. I don't know other than fantasy football, why anyone would have a problem with that, especially given the qbing situation since Trent Green was forced to retire. It really boggles my mind....

I think I can already see some room for interpretation.

This is one of the first things I've agreed with you on in awhile. When you're not trying to be the douchey center of attention, your football takes are pretty good.

I don't have to respond to it. The Chiefs made sure they got their guy. They also agreed to a fairly low compensation to reach that second in 2014. It was what had to be done. Andy Reid, for whatever reason decided that Alex Smith was his guy, and they paid, well, obviously over paid for him. But, they left no doubt they wanted him. So really, there is nothing to respond to, until he has at least played a game or two.

Haven't we been over this. Your opinion of other posters on this site means less than nothing.

Meh. I understand them.

They want Aaron Rodgers. So do I.

Unfortunately they don't grow on trees. Naturally, we get the #1 pick when the QB class is the worst it has been in a decade.

Can't fault the new regime for getting Alex Smith though. Totally makes sense given what we had.

I was disappointed at first thinking Geno was better than he was...but when he fell to #39, at least I could admit I don't know everything.

So far the new regime is doing pretty well in my eyes.