So far Jim Harbaugh has done nothing more than Reid. Would you pass on him if he were available? And if you could pick your HC who would it be and why?

As if what you have to say is so much more refreshing. No one here has anointed him the next Brady, most are just saying give him a chance considering he was the best available this year.

I am. Never said otherwise. I just don't like the trade. Maybe he'll be fine. I suspect he'll be a middle of the pack QB at his best.That's impossible to say. I believe that they made their decision on Alex Smith in January, before they even evaluated the QB class.

But that's really a separate issue. It doesn't have anything to do with the quarterbacks in the draft. I believe there were veteran QBs available for free who would have given the team the same sort of results that Smith will. But he's an easier sell to the fanbase. So why not overpay if it will boost season ticket sales.

You could be correct, only time will tell. Let's let the season play out first though.

They were. Some people want to overlook a few things here, because to look at them would put a dent in their agenda.

Our next new offense began in 2011, obviously, when Harbaugh and Greg Roman joined up. It took a long time for all of the offensive players to get on the same page. Alex received the playbook first, so that he could teach the others the basics until the lockout ended. He learned what he needed to early on, but it took a lot of time for others to figure shit out. That much is well documented.

On top of that, Roman was building up the playbook on the fly. So there was a lot of trial and error in seeing what worked and what didn't. When new management comes in, defenses and offensive running games are the quickest and easiest to pick up. Then comes the short pass game.

We learned in 2011 that, quite frankly, we didn't have good receivers for the deep pass game. Running the seam and wheel-routes to the TEs was generally the best we could do.

Add to that, our pass protection was a mess. We had a bottom 5 center and right guard... and Anthony Davis was pretty crappy still at blocking edge rushers. So we needed to stick with the short pass game. Harbaugh was building a winner, but was very conservative in doing so. He wanted to lean on mistake-free football above all else. Who wouldn't with a good defense and special teams?

Is Alex limited? Eh... if compared to some of the freakish QBs emerging in the league. He can make all the throws though, and is fairly athletic himself. Andy Reid wouldn't have given up that much if he agreed with others here in that Alex is mediocre at best. I think many people know he is good... but they also feel (and have a point) that he isn't exciting. And these days, the fantasy football kiddies want the big plays and dynamic ball-chucking.

There are a lot of valid reasons for why our offensive numbers were not eye-popping. Still though, it was some impressive efficiency happening despite the aforementioned issues.

Kind of hard to have a discussion that way.

I has gone beyond discussion though. There are a few that are still butt hurt over trading for Smith and not drafting the greatest college QB ever and incessantly complain about it every time Alex Smith is mentioned. They have passed judgement on him before he has even taken a snap for us. Got it, he might not be the long term answer for us, but he is better than anything else available at the time. Let's just get excited for the season instead of screaming that the sky is falling before TC has even started.

It's a character flaw. They is what they is... pussies. :doh!:

Would I pass on the younger coach with the HUGE upside? And to your question, Harbaugh is exactly the kind of coach ol' Clarkie-poo should be spending every waking moment searching for, interviewing, bribing, whatever the **** it takes.

But alas..."well, Reid's available"!

You are the most useless sack of shit I have ever witnessed on this board since 2008. Congrats!

You didn't answer my question. Who would you get and why?

You can say the exact same thing about the guys on the other side of the fence.

this pleases me immensely... http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/3193/vikeslogo.gif

You mean the ones who say give him a chance to prove himself before passing judgement on him?

Average NFL quarterback in passing yards is Sam Bradford.
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This, so ****ing this. The Chiefs FO are content with the latest retreads in the league (Reid, who never accomplished shit really the past few years as his way is antiquated in the league now), and not interested in looking for the next future Superbowl caliber coach that is unmistakably out there. The Chiefs FO think a 9-7 season is success...

9-7 should be the cut throat minimum to keep your job with maybe 8-8 if your team shit the bed the season before.

Until the day 9-7 becomes unacceptable to those in charge and to the fans, the Chiefs will move on to 5 decades (fifty ****ing years) with no SB victory.

I'll have to get back to you on that. Unlike the CEO of this franchise, I have two jobs in the real world and don't have much time to do the research.

Sam Bradford = 231 YPG
Alex Smith = 174 YPG

:LOL:

If we can take Reid at his word, and theres really no reason not to, he's pushing Axl to be better in that regard.

I realize that stats don't tell the whole tale(more than most), but sweet God that is damning.

Average NFL quarterback in passing yards is Sam Bradford.
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GD I cannot wait to go 4-12. Only reason I think we get 4 is that I think we get one more solid season out of JC before the Chiefs shatter his soul completely.

It won't be that bad.

Alex's yardage will go up here, but so will his turnovers and sacks.

6-10 or 7-9 and an offseason of excuses incoming.

Then who would you have wanted instead? Too many people complain about the HC option yet offer no solution either. The Chiefs go out and get an unproven HC (Haley) and the fans complain, they get a relatively successful retread and the fans complain. Nothing seems to work.

Todd Haley

I NEVER complained about Haley. I liked "4th Down Haley". Much more so than "let's punt on 4th and inches"-Marty. Haley with a legit QB and minus Scott Pissholi could have been a hell of a lot of fun.

In spite of that you can give your opinion on the QB situation and posit your opinion on who think would be better for this franchise. Somehow you had enough time to study them and come to a better conclusion than those who have been doing this for a long time and do this for a living. Impressive! :thumb:

Fair enough. I said many, but that does not include all.

I actually liked Haley more than most. I think he got stuck in the worst situation possible. Working for the worst GM in the league and being forced to start the worst starting QB in the league. I would have liked to see what he could have done under a competent GM who actually was trying to help him win instead of handcuffing him.

QB is the most important position on the field, and candidates are in the limelight every year, regardless of whether Mayock is "banging the table", or his old lady, or whomever. I'll spend time looking at QB's because frankly....do I REALLY have to explain why I would spend time looking at QB's?

Just sayin'.

Uh, no, I don't really care that you diss alex smith, actually, I don't care, but your lack of being able to read and understand basic grammar? That's appalling. Of course Alex Smith can throw better than you. When was the last time you were out of your moms basement troll.
Yeah because Kevin Kolb has definitely showed the prowess to stay healthy. Lol, people talk about Alex Smith being fragile, what would you call this clown?
This is such a silly useless argument. That was a Pioli move. He brought in a qb he was familiar with. This is completely different. If you read what Dorsey said, he and the entire staff went over this, and it came back as Alex Smith as the best option period. And no one can say any different until they see how this plays out.
Yeahhhhhhhh. Hey, Die in an Aids fire, GENIUS.
You aren't showing that you have seen any of Alex Smith before the last two seasons. If you did, and you were smart, which clearly you are not, you would realize how shitty not just the Coaching, but the entire organization from the top down was until Jed York took command, kicked his daddy out of the building, took advice from Eddie Jr. hired football guys and turned shit around. And if you were a smart person who watched plenty of 49ers game, and knew a shit about football, you would know how night and day better Alex Smith played pre harbaugh, to with Harbaugh, and that same smart person, would see how much better Alex Smith was playing in YEAR TWO, with upgraded weapons, and familiarity with the system. That's what someone who has watched 49ers football should of gotten. Apparently you missed the common sense portion of things.
Because you are talking to the minority of dumbasses who are so disgustingly depressing, that all they can do is look for the negative, see things in black and white, without understanding the entire concept. Everything to them, they feel they have seen before, so of course its going to be the same thing again. Just look at what I mean. Oh we have done this with other qbs before, therefore this is going to fail. Oh, Andy Reid sucked at his last job, we picked up the leftovers, he is going to suck. It's just a minority, I wouldn't even worry about it. They will be the same whiny bitches that will be here whining, when the Chiefs start winning, because they didn't win by enough, or the way they think they should have. Its comical to me.
Well, you should have no problems spending sundays watching anything else but football.
And what has been the rams record? Oh, that's right, under Sam Bradford, they have NEVER had a winning record, which means they are trailing a lot, which means they are throwing more. Glad you cleared that up for me.

Pawnmower is going to kill you.

I like the hire, alot.


But other than Andy Reid, I'd have really liked to have hired David Shaw if he were available.

Probably something more ****ing intelligent. I'm not paid millions of $$ to figure this bullshit out, but if I was I'd put a little more thought into it and try to find somebody who is ahead of the curve and look for value that way, and not get some over paid league retread that hasn't done shit in the NFL in awhile.

The idea of risk is that you have to take some to get huge rewards. Andy Reid seemed like a super safe, non-risky move that will not land us a championship. Reid is guaranteed mediocrity, 8-8 is going to be a successful season under him. Hope you enjoy it.

HCs are pretty important too. I wouldn't underestimate their value.

Pawnmower aint going to do shit, but neg rep me and go play with his wrinkly dirty balls.

No, the ones who've spent thousands of posts since March trying to convince everyone how awesome Alex Smith is, and that having any kind of question about him means you're just a negative nancy who doesn't understand football.

Going overboard is going overboard, whether you're pro or con.

Fake quote is fake. And weak. If you have to make shit up then you don't have a case.

I actually like the move, but you can't talk about him in any negative light here without the majority coming after you.

LOL. Black, and White. Here is a perfect case of what I meant.

Tony Dungy left the Tampa Bay Buccs, because they thought he couldn't get over the hump......How did that work out.

Bill Bellichick left Cleveland, returned later as the Patriots head Coach, how did that work out.

How about Pete Carroll? He was the head man at both the Jets, and Patriots. What kind of job is he doing?

Andy Reids biggest problem the past 4 years in Philly, was he had too much responsibility. He had to be the GM, and the head coach. In this day in age, that is IMPOSSIBLE to do, and do successfully. Here, he has one job, to coach. He has a GM, who understands what Andy Reid needs, and has done a damn good job of getting it for him. Not everything, is always as it seems. Just remember. The Chiefs, were not the only team pursuing Andy Reid, or Alex Smith for that matter. The Cards, and Chargers both wanted Andy Reid pretty badly. Hey, by the way, how is that John Fox in Denver thing working out?

At least the Rams are taking risks, looking for the reward. Loading up the next young QB brings a lot more potential to your football than the latest league retread. Alex Smith is not Drew Brees, never shown that kind of potential so don't argue that crap. A good game for Alex Smith is 200 yards, 1 td, and 1 int. He is not a winning type QB, just a game manager.

That's because he plays on a shitty team, moron.

Put Alex Smith on a shitty team and you'd get even worse results.

Yet again, only complaints. No solutions. The irony is you state you are not paid millions to figure this stuff out, yet you complain about the decisions made by those who do. Your lack of a better option is simply a cop out. Complain about a problem, yet offer no fix. If we go 10-6 will you come on here and eat crow? Reid is every bit as successful as a John Fox who actually took Denver to the playoffs and won a game with TIM TEBOW as their starting QB. To assume we will be mediocre with Reid is again just crying and whining because the team did not get the HC we wanted even if we don't actually know who that guy is.

Alex Smith spent 6 years on a shitty team dumbass. And you give him NO PASS what so ever, but you are trying to give one to BRADFORD?

Id laugh, but that's just Clay being Clay.....

Like I said before, I think alot of the "doubters" would be alot more confident in the Alex Smith move had we brought in a coach similar philosophically, to Harbaugh.


But we went and got Reid, which is awesome because I do in fact love his offensive system, but up to this point, Alex Smith hasn't excelled in a pass first Andy Reid type offense.

I hope these talks about him tweeking his system are true and he sticks to it.

Lol, nope. Andy Reid's biggest problem was that his method of football is obsolete. Has nothing to do with his 'responsibilities', or whatever excuse you can come up with for him.

I can agree with you on that one. It is usually the 49er trolls doing that. They are every bit as bad, you are correct on that one.

Yep. And they were better without him..

At this point, 5 or more seasons of 10-6 don't excite me.

All of this.

I loved his style, but he simply couldnt succeed with all of the crap he had to work with.

:LOL:LMAO boom.

Bradford was considered by most to be an elite QB in that draft and clearly the best player in it. This draft? Only those on CP thought that about Geno.

**** yeah if we go 10-6, I will eat crow. But only if that 10-6 is followed up with some success in the post season. Again, I am not the typical Chiefs fan that thanks 10-6 is enough, it ****ing isn't. Gotta have at least some success in the post season for me to think a season was somewhat successful. I'm not the same kind of fan who thinks 42+ years with no Superbowl, nevermind a Superbowl appearance, is ok. I'm part of the new breed of fan who wants a winner, and going 10-6 and then getting shit on in the wild card game is not a good season for me.

19-5-1 begs to differ with you. 6 come from behind victories, including over coming a 17 point deficit on the road in 2011 at Philly, begs to differ with you. Scoring not one, but two tds in the last 4 minutes of the Divisional Round playoffs against the Saints, begs to differ with you. Going ahead in the 3rd quarter of the Nfccg by throwing a strike between two defenders in the NFCCG, begs to differ with you. Driving your team down to get the game into over time with a Field goal, in the NFCCG, begs to differ with you.

I can play this game all day long. Alex Smith, is NOT an elite qb. He can not carry a team for an entire season like Aaron Rodgers. But to prop him up like him and Matt Cassel can be said in the same breathe and draw a slight comparison, is a ****ing joke. Alex Smith is a good starting qb if you don't have a better option. That's all he is, and I can accept that. There is no reason the Chiefs, with the roster they have built, cant win WITH Alex Smith. No, they can not win BECAUSE of Alex Smith, but Alex Smith has proven to be clutch, and Alex Smith has been getting better for the past three years. No reason to think he is all of a sudden going to become the shit bag he was before Harbaugh....that's just stupid talk.

When has he ever played in one of those?

It excites no one, so lets see how this all plays out before passing judgement.

Realizing that its a pass first league is obsolete?

As for his last years in philly, go back and look at some of the threads from the philly noob invasion... that entire organization was at each others throats.

LOL, the more you talk, the less and less I know, that you know about football. His way of football is obsolute? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Do you even know who they brought in to help with the offense? They brought in the CREATOR, of the RAGE OF THE NFL right now, the Pistol/ Read Option offense.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Bro, just stop. Lmao

Not at all. He is completely exaggerating to implement a false concept. 49ers fans are only telling people that Alex is a good QB... not that he is "awesome."

So while one side IS saying Alex is terrible (overboard), the other side is merely saying he's good (not overboard).

Again, thats not really relevant in terms of what he can do here under Andy Reid. He's going to be asked to do alot more, if history is any predictor of the future.

I hope his confidence from the last couple years carries over, because he's not going to be asked or told here to just take a sack and not be aggressive with the ball. If it doesn't, things won't be good.

Dude, you gotta take the risk. That is the point. The Rams took the risk. It is not always going to pan out, but you still have to keep trying. Look at Indy, Jeff George shat all over them yet they didn't hesitate to take another QB when the time was right (Manning). Chiefs don't do this, and have not done so in 40+ years. What also hasn't happened in 40+ years for the Chiefs?

When he's been in an offense thats had to rely on the pass, it hasn't been good.

I've been dancing the circular argument about Alex Smith since we traded for him. Here is my official final stance on the matter and I shall speak of it no more.

He gives us the best chance to win now. That is what the fanbase was screaming for using Pioli's win-loss record as a platform to preach that sermon. I like our staff, I'm uncertain as to how it will come out, however I remain optimistic.

Now. Shut the **** up about it until we play some games and see what happens. My allegiance is to the team, not any one player. If they **** up agai n (within a reasonable amount of time--3 years) then by all means fire up the biplanes and get the old banners out.

Right now nobody has been given a chance.

I would question your fanhood if you didn't feel that way. The fact of the matter is had Hunt stuck with Pioli, Crennel, and Cassel this season I would be there with you. We went out and got the best proven HC available, a GM known for his ability to scout, and the best available QB out there. They are trying to win, let's see if it works. It has as much chance as any other option save getting Jim Harbaugh and Tom Brady.

He hasn't. his entire career he has been handing off to Frank Gore.

Also, people aren't listening. Alex Smith himself even said in his interview on NFL network that his first job was to hand off to Charles, and that Andy Reid, was building the offense, around the TEAMS STRENGTHS. Which, if you follow the draft, that's exactly what they did. Shored up the offensive line, kept albert, got a fullback for Charles, got a back up for Charles, signed a tight end who is considered a very good to elite blocker.

Like I said. Black and White. Andy Reid did it there, so hes going to do it here. Hes not going to do that here. There will be a happy medium. Most of that will be because Alex Smith has no problem checking to a run if he sees its the best option. Boooooo, qbs shouldn't do that, they should wing it. Pfffffff. Bullshit, you have one of the best Rbs in the league. Getting the ball to him, is option ONE, if you are a chiefs fan, and want to win.

This is absolutely insane. Reid's offense is very progressive, and he has the smarts to realize the importance of the spread, the read option, and the pistol. So much so that he's hired 2 guys whose job is to specifically learn about it. On defense, he hired a guy who will run a pretty progressive Rex Ryan defense.

His methods aren't obsolete. He may not be the best of game managers, but he's a hell of a football mind and coach.

I concur.

But there are no excuses not to win now.

Depends on if you believe what Alex Smith said or not.

"Coach Reid is phenomenal at playing to his players strengths."

Something to that effect. If that is true,, then all of this worrying over throwing the ball 50 times a game, and abandoning the run game, is all a bunch of bullshit.

I just look at results, the bottom line. They had the dream team setup in Philly and Reid shat all over it. His methods have been figured out (obviously), by other teams. Having superior personnel didn't help him either. The RAGE OF THE NFL is ****ing scoring more points than your opponent. Reid's teams have had trouble doing this for multiple seasons now. The Eagles realized this and jettisoned his fat ass for new potential in Chip Kelly. Have fun with 8-8 (sure as **** not this season) bro.

So you really think Andy Reid is going to completely change his philosophy of how he runs an offense after 10 plus years?

Exactly. That is the move they made. They can't go back from it after a disastrous year and call it rebuilding. That'll make me hotter than a jalepeno pepper in a vat of spicy mayo.

Absolutely. I really do. Do I believe they will throw more than they pass? Sure. But I imagine it being a 55/45 pass to run ratio rather than a 70/30 pass to run......

welcome to the Hootie RIP Lounge where we talk all things Hootie

(oh and I seem to recall Hootie being banned in a thread just for kicks and that was about the last I heard from him)

You act as if he hasn't ever had a running back of Charles skillset before. He's had McCoy for the past few years.

I dont' think coaches change their stripes and I'm not excited about hiring a coach and immediately hoping he changes the things he does that were the reason you hired him.

He's never had a 70/30 pass to run ratio.

Lol, again my point that I'm trying to make is that successful teams stay on the fringe of NFL strategy, and don't retread the shit that other teams are doing. They forge their own path and go down it. This cookie cutter copy bullshit is not going to get you to the promised land. It will get you looking for another coach in three years.

No he was not. And he was not desired by many here either.

Like **** we will.

I agree with the last part of your post, but the rest is so wrong it is silly.

1. Taking the consensus #1 player in the draft who also happens to be an elite QB prospect when you need one at 1.1 is not taking a chance.

2. The Indy and Jeff George situation is different. They took a chance on another elite QB prospect in Peyton Manning. Prospects like him are very rare. They were at the right position at the right time to get him.

3. In spite of what some on here think Geno was nowhere near the prospect Manning or Bradford was.

4. Had we passed on a Luck or RGIII then your argument would have more merit. We did not. Geno is nowhere even close to their level.

5. We unfortunately got stuck with the #1 pick in the draft in a year when the QB class was far weaker than initially thought when that was by far our biggest need. Purely bad luck on our part.

6. I was a huge advocate to trade up for RGIII, some on here thought it was too risky. We passed on an elite QB prospect for Poe and Fisher so far.

7. To take a chance on a crappy prospect just to take a chance on one is foolish. There is a reason why Manuel was the first QB taken and it was near the end of the 1st round in spite of the fact many teams needed a QB.

They had a dream team set up, with an OFFENSIVE LINE COACH as the Defensive Coordinator. They signed guys and put them in positions that wouldn't work them.

For instance. They put Aso as a ZONE COVER CORNER, who spent his entire career making his living as a press man corner. They tried to put Cullen Jenkins, a 5 tech elephant end in the 3-4, as a dtackle, in a wide nine base, that completely wasted what he does best.

Yes, I know exactly why they failed in Philly. Andy Reid had far too much control. Something he no longer has. Dorsey has that power, and Andy Reid is thankful for that. If this were the VERY same situation with Andy Reid, he was running the entire show, I would be worried and sad for Chiefs fans.

There is a reason that after the Seahawks, took away Mike Holmgrens total power, got him a gm, and let him focus solely on Coaching, that he was able to get back to the super bowl. I see these things. They aren't that difficult to understand. And yes, the Chiefs will win 8 games this year. 2 more than that to be exact. 10-6..........BRO.

Sweet Dummy Hate. I stroked my Lil Chiefy today. He threw up on me.

IIRC, Reid has always had about a 55/45 pass to run ratio, maybe a bit higher but not by much.


I don't really forsee that to be any different, but they're going to pass to set up the run IMO, just as Andy Reid teams always have, and really, I'm fine with that.