Give him 3-4 years, he's been money in the playoffs in his career and that's when we need him most. The best thing about Alex is he's one of those guys who understands its the team over himself, his agent Tom Condon won't be so inclined to give us a discount though. I'd be happy with Alex for the next few years, as long as he doesn't Matt Cassel the deal and play like shit after a marginal season that got him the deal. I have a feeling he's not going to do that though.

Which is what every smart fan knew what was going to happen

I could extend Alex Smith with one socked foot. Hey don't judge me....

The only problem with a "cap friendly" deal is that is not in our long term interests. We need a front loaded deal that we can get out of in 4 years.

I would expect any contract he signs to be easy for the Chiefs to get out of after 3-4 years. I know the front side of the deal will cost more than the backside. I just don't want to overpay just because the market dictates it. Teams are overpaying for average QBs. Cutler is not worth anywhere near what he is getting. Neither was Flacco. I don't want to see the Chiefs make that same mistake.

We can complain about this all we want. But with the coming decline of Brady and Manning, this might be good timing for the Chiefs.

What QBs are left to challenge Alex Smith when those two are put out to pasture?

Dalton?
Rivers?
Luck?
Roethlisberger?
Tannehill?
Flacco?

The field isn't strong. I see no God Kings.

Never seen someone do a full 180 and look more reeruned. Your football knowledge is chit.

Prepare to hear Broncos fans bitch about how "the league just wants to fix it so they can get their precious Alex Smith vs. Brian Hoyer matchup"

I will go All In here

Why wouldn't I do a 180 after that playoff game?

It answered a lot of questions about Alex.

Just as that 2010 abortion at Arrowhead told us everything we needed to know about Cassel, the same is true of Alex.

Just the fact that Smith played so well without Charles, a decent TE and only 1 reliable WR was pretty incredible.

You have egg all over your face brah. Hundreds of posts to back it up. You're just a hack with no job or contribution to society. Keep posting thoh!!

LMAO I have sooo much to say but just dont feel like it, I dont even know which direction to go in first... its just, just... comical, carry on I guess.

Bravo?

"Did does and WILL AlWAYS suck"

I want us to be friends again.

And evidence points to him not getting to close to the numbers he did in the playoff game with all of those pieces around him anyway.

His 1st good game as a Chief I'll give him that, but still didn't overcome his mistakes to win the game.

Orton gave them a perfectly Romo-like performance in week 17... piled up the stats but choked it up in the end.

Orton could do what Romo does in the regular season no doubt about it, honestly not trying to snark... but they both do the exact same things.

LMAO

I sometimes become enamored of a Cutler or a Flacco, huge armed B-52's that can deliver the bomb anywhere... but compared to Smiths pinpoint, quicker, more reliable little F-16 they have nothing better to offer.

Smith has a nearly mistake free laser guidance system, those other guys are liable to drop their loads on hospitals... lock this sucker up for 3-4 years and let the good times roll bolo style woooooo.

3-4 would be perfect.

LMAO Yeah, scoring 44 points is just awful.

fumble, missing open targets then the grounding penalty.

He'll surely want all he can get and ask for 5, but there must be other enticements that can get him on 3-4.

Its funny, but I honestly think Smith will take a bit less than someone else in his position, we obviously dont know him, but based on everything I've read and good old gut instinct, he'll take less in exchange for the assurance that he is The Man somewhere.

Dude surely knows he isnt getting any younger and doesnt want to repeat this process with some coach who doesnt think as much of him as Reid does... he'll want to get it done and still leave us enough money to deepen the team around him, I would bet serious jack on it... winners want to win at any cost.

Smith looked rough early in the season. Made a costly mistake with that fumble in the playoff game. And would have liked to have seen him will the team to a scoring drive after the Colts cut the 28 point lead in half. But Christ, the guy played pretty damn well in the second half of the season and had the best playoff performance by a QB in Chiefs history. It's a no brainer. Sign him.

I'm sure this has been mentioned previously, but Smith in his three post season games - 9 TDs, 0 INTs.

He's the type of player who would take a bit less than his market value to help the team bring in and keep more good players around him.

We should slow that roll right about now.

Let's place some context into this conversation:

1) We all knew this D was suspect vs. legit QB's going in to this game. We knew our fearless D coordinator was suspect. We knew our pass rush was suspect with so many lingering injuries.

For a 2nd year QB (I don't care who he is. Brady and Payed-a-ton weren't masterful QB's in year 2) to completely rip us and score nearly a 40 burger on us in one half tells us more about our D than it does about Luck.

2) The Colts were CONSISTENTLY poor in the 1st half. They gave up nearly a record number of pts in the 1st half this year. Not just us, the Colts were down by 3 scores in like SIX GAMES. On top of this most of those pts were on their secondary. (Sound familiar?) One of our best offensive outputs was vs. a team notorious for slow starts PLUS a mostly craptastic secondary.

On top of this you have to take into account one of our starting WR's was out as well as our all world HB.

And STILL we put pts up in that game.

3) Luck is not as good as he played vs. our D.
Smith is not as good as he played vs. their D.
We both were what we indicated we were weeks before...

LMAO You're a jackass. Admit you were wrong about him and move on.

I said he had a good game, but didn't get it done at the end. I'm not going to slobber over his dick over one game.

Do it.

He's Bono.

This is really what it boils down to.

Beggars can't be choosers.

We need to roll with NotCassel and cross our fingers, or we'll for sure see the balance of Bowe, Charles, Hali, etc go for naught.

Who gives a shit about any of those guys? They shouldve realized they were signing with a loser franchise and should just chill out and enjoy their money.

Respectfully, bow out of this conversation...

and Smith didn't get it done. If he did I'd concede I was wrong.

I'm throwing the BS flag.

There is never, ever, EVER a time 44 pts shouldn't be enough...

If one wanted to be cautious, start next season and see how he performs over the first four games. If it's abundantly clear that his playoff performance is roughly how he's going to play moving forward--I say "roughly" because it's grossly unfair to expect quite that same level of excellence continually--then be prepared to pay even more and get the deal done in-season.

If he regresses to his play in early '13, however, then caution would result in, likely, a bit of savings.

He had a chance to seal it like a Brady/Manning showdown.

I care about wins. Those numbers in the playoff game were incredible, but I want wins. He's shown that he can do that. It was one game, but it erased pretty much every doubt I had about him. He played his best game ever on the biggest stage without his biggest weapon.

I also don't see why he couldn't post really good numbers with improved receivers.

I don't buy for a second he's going to get a 6 year extension worth 100 million. I think it's going to be a 3 year extension in the high 40 million dollar range that will either be spread out for cap purposes with a few extra fluff years (see Cutler) or be around 6 for 85-90 with an out after 2-3 years.

And at this point you need to realize that Brady or Manning lost that game...

Listen to yourself.

Ok, we had a chance for our D to prevent them from scoring like a DT/Smith/Hasty showdown.

Did they do it?

Did any defensive player decide to take the game over in the 2nd half?

No...

You are bar none the worst poster on this site. You're a full of shit blowhard who constantly posts garbage that's so off the mark that it's embarrassing.

Clay has his warts, but he'll admit when he's been wrong. You offer nothing close to that.

Fist yourself, dbag.

Rausch, you bigass redheaded German, which one is it, define it once and for all... is Smith worthwhile or is he garbage... we need to know for sure.

Smitty's performance against the Colts was weak sauce or what? The same weakass Colts defense that beat the Niners on the road or who beat the Broncos or Seahawks?... quit riding the fence and get on Teh Ship... Smith did everything necessary to win against a defense that beat Kaep, Manning and Wilson.

What else do you need?

Ed* my tippling may have made me see your posts in the wrong light, forgive or dont... DA HUUUS GAH

Of course you are wrong you shitbag. You're always wrong.

My point is in the NFL presently you HAVE to win those track meets if shit happens. Alex blew his chance

Yeah, again my point stands

No one gives a **** what you have to say.

No, he took the most of his opportunities and his team let him down.

He beasted.

I'm not ready to crown him, but, on a one game basis, I'd crown his ass.

Our defense COMPLETELY let us down.

LOL I don't think he's Bono. Tribal compared him to Bono early in the season.

Reid has some responsibility in that. He was calling screen passes all the 2nd half instead of deep passes.

Your point is $#it...

But it isn't just the Defense. I would adjust that statement to "Did any Chiefs player/coach decide to take the game over in teh 2nd half?"

I have stated that I like Smith a lot and agree with an extension at the right price but everyone on the team laid down in last 25 minutes of the game.

It's a team game man. He did his job exceedingly well. He even made the pass that should have won it. Bowe got pushed out of bounds (before the ball arrived too...not that it ****in matters now).

But if you wanna nitpick, the overthrow to Gray could have been caught. The intentional grounding was a play where he was ****ed as soon as he dropped back. Best case scenario, he takes the sack and we wouldn't have lost as many yards as we did with the penalty. The play where he fumbled was just a great individual play by a great pass rusher. He can't win every single ****ing snap for christs sake. THe problem with that - in this game he almost had to because our defense lost a 28 point lead and lost a game where we scored 44.

Look, I bitched a ton about Smith this season, but he clearly got better and better as the year went on, and he played very well in our biggest game in 10 seasons. If he plays like that, or anywhere close to that, and our defense plays like it is capable of when we drop some of the dead weight and coordinate things a little better, we'll be an elite team. I'm good with an elite ****in team, let me tell ya.

Definitely agree with that too.

Grounding penalty cost the chiefs an extra two yards. The person responsible for that play bloWing up is Albert who missed his cut block and allowed his defender to be in the throwing line for the designed screen to mccluster. The only open receiver he missed was grey (which was very painful) but understandable given that they'd never run it with grey before. Not to mention the grey admitted he slowed when he was looking for the ball.

Did he win? No, he didn't I said before the game the offense needed to play flawlessly he was doing just that in the 1st half but after the Mathis sack/fumble he didn't overcome the incident. Then it became additive missed opportunities.

So you blame Brady or Manning and think one of them isn't good enough...got it.

We have 5 pro bowlers on defense.

DID ANY OF THESE ****S STEP UP AND PUT THIS GAME AWAY?

DID ANY OF THEM SHINE AND TAKE OVER THE GAME WHEN IT WAS WINABLE?

DID ANY OF OUR ****ING 5 PRO BOWL PLAYERS CHANGE THE GAME?

No.

No, they didn't.

We have some very good players on this team that we've tricked ourselves into thinking are great. They're not.

Houston MIGHT end up being that if he can stay healthy and continue to progress. And he's our best hope, by a long shot.

Going to the tangent defense nice.

Oh, and just for the record you shitbag, Tom Brady or Peyton Manning teams never gave up more than 41 points in a playoff game.

Tom Brady is 0-2 when his defense gives up 30 or more, Peyton Manning is 2-3, with one win coming against the Chiefs in 03, and his last win coming in 2006.

Look. It wasn't Alex's fault.

The guy played a fantastic game, and for literally THE FIRST TIME IN NFL HISTORY, that effort wasn't good enough.

You are being obtuse.

Oh just for the record, that was THE ABSOLUTE WORST defense I've seen in one half from a Chiefs team as long as I've been watching. And that's saying something considering the Vermeil era and some other shitty defenses we've put out there in our history.

He had his chances but didn't get it done. If he did, I'd be singing a different tune.

So after 38 pts it's HIS fault the game was lost?

Look, I'm no Smith fan. I hate the trade. I hate what we gave up. I hate he'll never be a Brady or Montana type.

But in no way is this on him.

Our D got lazy and let them back in thinking it couldn't happen...

You're good people so I'll drop this.

I completely disagree.

We move on...

I don't know why you guys are arguing with this idiot. He's shown that he can't evaluate anything here. When he posts his shitty follower opinion of someone, he refuses to get off of it.

It's his MO and he sucks.

I think of it like a hockey game where Gretzky gets a hat trick but his team lost because the goalie was Kendrick Lewis and failed in an epic, historic fashion. Why would you then go and say "Well Gretzky missed a couple opportunities. He had a couple power plays he should have scored on!" IT'S GOALIE KENDRICK LEWIS FAULT!

I'll be honest, if Alex didn't fumble I really do think we would've won that game. He has a problem overcoming shit like that

Reid tried to run the clock out by using the screen game because he did not trust Davis to not fumble. And honestly I really cannot fault him for that because he hasn't proven he can be trusted.

The injury to JC really came back to bite us in the ass the 2nd half and the D shit the bed. Alex is probably the last person to blame for that loss.

Actually when Alex had his chance, he marched down the field on primarily all pass plays and on 4th and 11, threw a perfect pass that should have set up the chiefs for the win. He didn't blow his chance, he made the throw. Bowe's inability to simply point his toe, and give the chiefs fans what they have been looking for for 20 years, doesn't change the fact that Smith made the throw with the game on the line.

Yep. It's just that Smith fumble that was the difference. Not that he was running for his life, trying to make a play, not that Kendrick Lewis or Dunta Robinson were beaten like a mule several times during the game, not the 5 injuries, not anything else.

Just that fumble.

**** off already.

And if you look at that play, Bowe was getting shoved out before the ball got there and while he was comign down with the ball. If they still had the force out rule, I'm betting that would have been ruled complete.

Alex won a track meet in the playoffs against Drew Brees the year he set the passing record and his offense averaged 35 a game. I don't know how people keep making this argument.

Oh, it was also Alex's fault that Bowe got tackled at the 2 yard line. He should have been downfield blocking.

Blew his chance.

Really, really unfair to criticize Smith for much of anything in that game. Hell, even the missed throw to Gray, which I'm sure Smith would love to have back, is no doubt the result of the fact that he's throwing to the third-****ing-string RB, whom he's almost certainly had very limited reps with.

Yep. Gray said that he didn't get any reps on that play during the week.

But Alex's fault.

Alex has the the fewest turnovers of any QB in their last 30 starts.

He takes a ton of sacks (many, he doesn't need to) and he doesn't quickly scan the field but this accusation is way off base...

And a fumble that bounced right back to Luck was Smith's fault also.

I swear the football Gods ****ing hate the Chiefs.

And even if we're going to say, "**** it. That one is on Smith." OK. One mistake compared to a host of exceptional plays. Good far outweighs the bad.

I was very impressed by Smith's poise and elusiveness in the pocket. No way did I expect that type of play from him. Not sure if he went into a different stratosphere with his play or I've been selling him extremely short? Perhaps both...

Jesus Christ. Luck threw 3 ****ing picks. QB's make mistakes. Big ****ing deal.