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Reerun_KC 02-10-2014 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10425819)
Regardless, its obvious something derogatory was said to set Smart off.

Glad to see alot of the media today vilifying Orr. Dude is an obnoxious bully. Its too bad the University will basically do nothing to punish him.
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You figure OSU would be more assertive like KCC if there was such content being said...

Such a strange dilemma the washers are in...

Brock 02-10-2014 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10425825)
So you have no problem with letting racist posts like Reerun's go on this forum, I take it.
Not my forum, don't give a shit.

KC_Connection 02-10-2014 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 10425827)
Not my forum, don't give a shit.
Clearly.

Reerun_KC 02-10-2014 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10425817)
Good, maybe it will actually direct some attention to your ridiculous conduct in this thread.
at least I was man enough to say it, You are holding hopeless on to conspiracy theory's and looking like a dumbass in the process...


Grab your tinfoil and get busy homeboy...

Reerun_KC 02-10-2014 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 10425827)
Not my forum, don't give a shit.
You leave us special kids alone...

LoneWolf 02-10-2014 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10425793)
On the contrary, I think anybody who denies that there was solely on the basis of a statement made by the booster with a history of taunting players (and a vague "investigation" with no specifics from a completely biased party) probably has an agenda. I'm just saying I don't know. And without sufficient evidence, that's the only rational perspective to take.


Where are these interviews? Can we read/hear them? Are there any direct statements from anybody at all that the public can see?


What a load of shit that is. There's nothing conclusive about that video at all and most people here have commented on how difficult it is to actually hear what was said. You'd have to be being pretty disingenuous to deny it.


Any PR professional would tell you that there is no benefit to Smart/Ford saying something like that during a public apology designed solely to protect/rebuild his public image. There's nothing to be gained from his perspective by getting in a fight through the media with a fan and prolonging the cycle of this.
JFC. The school said they interviewed all media that was on that baseline and fans in the area. Don't you think if a member of the media that was on the baseline heard the school announce there were interviews and there weren't that they would say something? You can clearly hear "piece of crap" on the video. Listen to it with headphones on. It's clear as day.

Smart doesn't have to get into a fight through the media. All he would have had to say was "I thought I heard a racial slur and I reacted poorly". He didn't/couldn't say that because it isn't true. He's hoping this will go away before people start asking him the tough questions like "do you feel bad for painting a man as a racist to try to cover up your bad behavior."

KC_Connection 02-10-2014 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 10425832)
at least I was man enough to say it,
You mean racist enough to say it.

Again, please stop.

Brock 02-10-2014 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 10425838)
JFC. The school said they interviewed all media that was on that baseline and fans in the area. Don't you think if a member of the media that was on the baseline heard the school announce there were interviews and there weren't that they would say something? You can clearly hear "piece of crap" on the video. Listen to it with headphones on. It's clear as day.

Smart doesn't have to get into a fight through the media. All he would have had to say was "I thought I heard a racial slur and I reacted poorly". He didn't/couldn't say that because it isn't true. He's hoping this will go away before people start asking him the tough questions like "do you feel bad for painting a man as a racist to try to cover up your bad behavior."
Suspended 3 games. Clearly even his own school isn't buying it either.

Rausch 02-10-2014 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 10425813)
reporting this post for racial content....
:spock:

Reerun_KC 02-10-2014 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10425842)
You mean racist enough to say it.

Again, please stop.
I heard racist slurs....

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NWTF 02-10-2014 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10425717)
Unless you've decided to blindly believe in those who have no credibility, I don't think anything is apparent here.


No, just actual evidence. That'd be nice.


Yep, Smart came up with this diabolical plan only seconds after reacting to the asshole's comment. Sounds reasonable.
I heard the tape and believe the eye witness accounts as described on the radio today, and what you call a diabolical plan is simply called a lie to cover your butt to most people.

At this point anyone still believing Smarts version has an agenda. Racism exists all over, it just not here, no matter how much you want it to be.

Actually there is racism here by Smart in playing the race card. That is the only racism involved in the incident

LoneWolf 02-10-2014 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 10425845)
Suspended 3 games. Clearly even his own school isn't buying it either.
Yep. For the record, I think Orr is a ****ing dumb mother****er. He's just not a racist dumb mother****er at least in this instance.

KC_Connection 02-10-2014 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 10425838)
JFC. The school said they interviewed all media that was on that baseline and fans in the area. Don't you think if a member of the media that was on the baseline heard the school announce there were interviews and there weren't that they would say something?
Who are these media and fans? Specifics, please.

And no, if they can't be certain what they heard (which wouldn't be surprising by the inconclusive video where you can't exactly hear much of anything), I wouldn't expect anybody to take that kind of a stand.

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You can clearly hear "piece of crap" on the video. Listen to it with headphones on. It's clear as day.
I have. Multiple times. There's nothing that's clear about that video and anybody being remotely reasonable is capable of admitting that.

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Smart doesn't have to get into a fight through the media. All he would have had to say was "I thought I heard a racial slur and I reacted poorly". He didn't/couldn't say that because it isn't true.
And you're basing that on exactly nothing. What we do know is that there is no benefit on his end by extending this further and turning this into a race issue through the media.


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He's hoping this will go away before people start asking him the tough questions like "do you feel bad for painting a man as a racist to try to cover up your bad behavior."
It's good to know that we've got somebody living in Marcus Smart's head here.

KC_Connection 02-10-2014 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by NWTF (Post 10425850)
I heard the tape and believe the eye witness accounts as described on the radio today, and what you call a diabolical plan is simply called a lie to cover your butt to most people.
So your assertion is that he came up with this devious lie immediately within seconds of pushing the fan? Got it. And I'm the one pushing agendas here. LMAO

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At this point anyone still believing Smarts version has an agenda. Racism exists all over, it just not here, no matter how much you want it to be.
I don't necessarily believe any version right now because there's no evidence either way. It's a completely he said/he said situation. And at this point, that is really the only position that a rational person without an agenda can take.

KC_Connection 02-10-2014 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 10425845)
Suspended 3 games. Clearly even his own school isn't buying it either.
You can't resort to violence over insults, no matter how awful they are. Obviously they were going to suspend him and rightfully so. Have no idea what that's supposed to prove.

KC native 02-10-2014 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 10425688)
Texas Tech completed an investigation where they interviewed fans in the vicinity, members of the media behind the basket, and reviewed audio & video footage. There was no evidence whatsoever that Mr. Orr called Smart anything but a piece of crap. But, I'm sure you'll claim conspiracy. Demand to have congress investigate before you believe anything.

And I know you will say, oh well I don't believe them. Look, if ANY of these witnesses disagreed with the Texas Tech investigation, don't you think they would let it be known? To ESPN? To other outlets of the media? I can tell you if I was in their shoes, I'd want my story told on ESPN and EVERYONE that would listen if I could confirm that he called him the N-Word. I'd be on the phone right now negotiating with ESPN what payment I would accept to go on TV and tell my account of the incident. I'd be a quasi celebrity for a few weeks. If anything, ANYTHING, someone would be tempted to lie about it and say he did call him that despite the other fans collaboration AND video AND audio footage.
ROFL @ the fact you believe ****ing anything that comes from the sand aggies as objective. Biggest piece of shit school and fans ever.

KC native 02-10-2014 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 10425838)
JFC. The school said they interviewed all media that was on that baseline and fans in the area. Don't you think if a member of the media that was on the baseline heard the school announce there were interviews and there weren't that they would say something? You can clearly hear "piece of crap" on the video. Listen to it with headphones on. It's clear as day.

Smart doesn't have to get into a fight through the media. All he would have had to say was "I thought I heard a racial slur and I reacted poorly". He didn't/couldn't say that because it isn't true. He's hoping this will go away before people start asking him the tough questions like "do you feel bad for painting a man as a racist to try to cover up your bad behavior."
texas tech is not a real school.

Brock 02-10-2014 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10425879)
You can't resort to violence over insults, no matter how awful they are. Obviously they were going to suspend him and rightfully so. Have no idea what that's supposed to prove.
3 games? Yeah, sure. He's being punished for being a bad liar as much as anything. What is your big stake in defending this tard?

LoneWolf 02-10-2014 08:33 PM
If Tech had come out and said "we interviewed all media members in the area and fans around the incident and they all said Orr called Smart the N-word", KC Connection would be all over this. It would be nothing but "see, Orr is a racist and should be banned from all future Tech games."

Because it is the other way, he needs a list of names of the people interviewed, what they said, an IMAX quality video, and a recant of his statement by Smart. I'm convinced he is related to Smart or gunning to be his agent.

KC_Connection 02-10-2014 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 10425890)
3 games? Yeah, sure. He's being punished for being a bad liar as much as anything.
No, he's being punished for pushing a fan. And there was no precedent for that in college basketball, as far as I know. Why is the 3 games a surprise there? Why does it mean anything with regard to this?

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What is your big stake in defending this tard?
What is your stake in defending a guy who has a history of taunting and insulting college athletes?

LoneWolf 02-10-2014 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by KC native (Post 10425889)
texas tech is not a real school.
Your point of view might mean something if your hate for Texas Tech wasn't so obvious.

Brock 02-10-2014 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10425892)
No, he's being punished for pushing a fan. And there was no precedent for that in college basketball, as far as I know. Why is the 3 games a surprise there? Why does it mean anything with regard to this?


What is your stake in defending a guy who has a history of taunting and insulting college athletes?
I'm not defending anyone, other than pointing out the obvious. Smart slandered a guy to justify his own little kid mentality.

KC native 02-10-2014 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 10425898)
Your point of view might mean something if your hate for Texas Tech wasn't so obvious.
And your point of view might mean something if you weren't basing it off of the sand aggies playing pr and an inconclusive video.

KC_Connection 02-10-2014 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 10425891)
If Tech had come out and said "we interviewed all media members in the area and fans around the incident and they all said Orr called Smart the N-word", KC Connection would be all over this. It would be nothing but "see, Orr is a racist and should be banned from all future Tech games."
This hypothetical doesn't exactly make sense, though, because Tech would never do this. It has a vested interest in defending the reputation of the institution and its fans (and apparently it felt that it had to stand behind their asshole booster as well).

LoneWolf 02-10-2014 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by KC native (Post 10425905)
And your point of view might mean something if you weren't basing it off of the sand aggies playing pr and an inconclusive video.
Jesus Christ dude, we get it. You hate Texas Tech. That's great for you. I really don't give a shit about Texas Tech, Marcus Smart, Orr, or OSU. I'm just calling this situation how I see it based on the evidence in front of me.

KC_Connection 02-10-2014 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 10425902)
I'm not defending anyone, other than pointing out the obvious. Smart slandered a guy to justify his own little kid mentality.
Except I could just as easily say that the fan came up with a bullshit excuse (piece of crap? That's seriously what he texted after the game saying he felt bad about going too far after getting shoved? LMAO) to cover up his own racist comment and it would ring just as true right now. That's because there's no evidence either way.

But it's good to know you've got it all figured out, though. Your own personal agenda was exposed on your first post when you accused Smart of this very same thing without knowing any of the facts about the situation.

KC native 02-10-2014 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 10425921)
Jesus Christ dude, we get it. You hate Texas Tech. That's great for you. I really don't give a shit about Texas Tech, Marcus Smart, Orr, or OSU. I'm just calling this situation how I see it based on the evidence in front of me.
The evidence isn't conclusive one way or the other. That video doesn't prove shit. The Sand Aggies covering their own ass and backing a guy that probably gives tens of thousands of dollars a year to them doesn't prove shit either.

Reerun_KC 02-10-2014 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10425927)
Except I could just as easily say that the fan came up with a bullshit excuse (piece of crap? That's seriously what he texted after the game saying he felt bad about going too far after getting shoved? LMAO) to cover up his own racist comment and it would ring just as true right now. That's because there's no evidence either way.

But it's good to know you've got it all figured out, though. Your own personal agenda was exposed on your first post when you accused Smart of this very same thing without knowing any of the facts about the situation.
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KC_Connection 02-10-2014 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 10425940)
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LoneWolf 02-10-2014 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10425913)
This hypothetical doesn't exactly make sense, though, because Tech would never do this. It has a vested interest in defending the reputation of the institution and its fans (and apparently it felt that it had to stand behind their asshole booster as well).
OSU and Smart don't have a vested interest in trying to show Smart in the best light possible after his poor decision?

If Tech had any evidence that a racial slur was said, they'd be foolish to try to cover that up. With all the technology today they have no idea if somebody has this recorded on their phone. If they back Orr based on "doctored" evidence or a shoddy investigation and then something comes out proving Orr did use a racial slur, they would look extremely stupid.

Reerun_KC 02-10-2014 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10425941)
P Diddy is my boy... Much love and respect between us...

Brock 02-10-2014 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10425927)
Except I could just as easily say that the fan came up with a bullshit excuse (piece of crap? That's seriously what he texted after the game saying he felt bad about going too far after getting shoved? LMAO) to cover up his own racist comment and it would ring just as true right now. That's because there's no evidence either way.

But it's good to know you've got it all figured out, though. Your own personal agenda was exposed on your first post when you accused Smart of this very same thing without knowing any of the facts about the situation.
Well, now I do know just as many facts about the situation as you do, and I still think that's what happened. I just don't need to post 75 times in this thread to pretend I care as much as you do about it.

Big Poppa Payne 02-10-2014 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 10425943)
OSU and Smart don't have a vested interest in trying to show Smart in the best light possible after his poor decision?

If Tech had any evidence that a racial slur was said, they'd be foolish to try to cover that up. With all the technology today they have no idea if somebody has this recorded on their phone. If they back Orr based on "doctored" evidence or a shoddy investigation and then something comes out proving Orr did use a racial slur, they would look extremely stupid.
Well said

Reerun_KC 02-10-2014 08:48 PM
Orr was wrong, Smart was wrong...

Game over....

Unless you are a conspiracy theory person...

Rausch 02-10-2014 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10425941)
That's total bull4it.

Black people like purple and green...

LoneWolf 02-10-2014 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by KC native (Post 10425937)
The evidence isn't conclusive one way or the other. That video doesn't prove shit. The Sand Aggies covering their own ass and backing a guy that probably gives tens of thousands of dollars a year to them doesn't prove shit either.
It's hard to take anything you type about this subject seriously with your continued sophomoric attempt at humor in regards to Texas Tech.

KC native 02-10-2014 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 10425943)
OSU and Smart don't have a vested interest in trying to show Smart in the best light possible after his poor decision?

If Tech had any evidence that a racial slur was said, they'd be foolish to try to cover that up. With all the technology today they have no idea if somebody has this recorded on their phone. If they back Orr based on "doctored" evidence or a shoddy investigation and then something comes out proving Orr did use a racial slur, they would look extremely stupid.
LMAO Do you think the sand aggies give a shit? Did you forget the whole mike leach situation and craig james' dumb ass kid?

BTW, craig james killed 5 hookers.

Rausch 02-10-2014 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 10425953)
It's hard to take anything you type about this subject seriously with your continued sophomoric attempt at humor...
Every response to me in every post ever...

KC_Connection 02-10-2014 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 10425943)
OSU and Smart don't have a vested interest in trying to show Smart in the best light possible after his poor decision?
They have a vested interest in making this go away as soon as possible. Creating a race issue through the media is exactly the way you don't want to do that.

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If Tech had any evidence that a racial slur was said, they'd be foolish to try to cover that up. With all the technology today they have no idea if somebody has this recorded on their phone. If they back Orr based on "doctored" evidence or a shoddy investigation and then something comes out proving Orr did use a racial slur, they would look extremely stupid.
Yes, I agree, they would. That's why I found the fact that they would make a PR statement about a vague "investigation" with no details that apparently occurred fully in less than 15 hours ago pretty embarrassing.

KC native 02-10-2014 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 10425953)
It's hard to take anything you type about this subject seriously with your continued sophomoric attempt at humor in regards to Texas Tech.
It's not humor. It's well deserved hate.

KC_Connection 02-10-2014 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 10425946)
Well, now I do know just as many facts about the situation as you do, and I still think that's what happened. I just don't need to post 75 times in this thread to pretend I care as much as you do about it.
Yes, you care so little that you're still posting in this thread two days later. Good for you.

LoneWolf 02-10-2014 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by KC native (Post 10425961)
It's not humor. It's well deserved hate.
Was your mom ass raped by a Texas Tech graduate or did you graduate from one of the other fine institutions of higher learning in Texas?

Brock 02-10-2014 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10425966)
Yes, you care so little that you're still posting in this thread two days later. Good for you.
I don't care. At all. Just passing a little time. But seriously, you seem to have an out of proportion attachment to a guy who just blew his team's season by acting like a child. If this was a star KU player, I'd be pissed at him.

KC_Connection 02-10-2014 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 10425979)
I don't care. At all. Just passing a little time.
If you really didn't, you wouldn't be posting in this thread. Like all the other threads I don't post in when I don't care about them.

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But seriously, you seem to have an out of proportion attachment to a guy who just blew his team's season by acting like a child. If this was a star KU player, I'd be pissed at him.
I don't justify it, I just understand the inclination to give this guy what he probably deserved. To me, it's really the asshole with a history of taunting college athletes (and the ridiculous fan culture that allows such things to go on) that people should take issue with in this story.

Rausch 02-10-2014 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10425999)
If you really didn't, you wouldn't be posting in this thread. Like all the other threads I don't post in when I don't care about them.
He's got a point...

KC native 02-11-2014 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 10425973)
Was your mom ass raped by a Texas Tech graduate or did you graduate from one of the other fine institutions of higher learning in Texas?
I'm a TCU grad.

#CJK5H

crazycoffey 02-11-2014 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10422450)
If you have the gall to heckle an amateur athlete then you should be prepared for whatever consequences come your way.
But it's ok to be a dick on an Internet forum

crazycoffey 02-11-2014 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 10425979)
I don't care. At all. Just passing a little time. But seriously, you seem to have an out of proportion attachment to a guy who just blew his team's season by acting like a child. If this was a star KU player, I'd be pissed at him.
Deflection, great counter point

GloryDayz 02-11-2014 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10425465)
1) College or pro there will always be people way out of line trying to tear you down. You never, NEVER, give in to it.

2) A push. A PUSH. I'm good with 3 games.

3) Keep in mind you're a college player and your entire life is supported by your game day performance. Never jeopardize the future for the emotions you feel in the present...
I wish they would produce a menu of sorts and let the players a choice. Don't rule it out, just let them know what it'll cost them. Not only will it make the post-shove/punch process less difficult, it'll keep the fans guessing as to whether, or not, their not-so-tough body can back up their big mouth.

Like I said, the heckling is made all the worse for the repercussions for heckling being almost nil unless something like a shove happens.

You have to introduce some risk for the hecklers to get them to shut-up, snd I'm ready for having their teeth knocked down their throats being one option they know the players have (more than it being the nuclear option they've always had). Make it less nuclear and it'll actually be fun.

Buehler445 02-11-2014 08:02 PM
In other news, the Smartless OSU cowbitches are getting pisspounded by UT.

Brock 02-11-2014 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 10428368)
In other news, the Smartless OSU cowbitches are getting pisspounded by UT.
But at least he got back at that mean man!

Brock 02-11-2014 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10425999)
If you really didn't, you wouldn't be posting in this thread. Like all the other threads I don't post in when I don't care about
I post in lots of threads I don't care about. We're not making history here.


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