Of course you dont...Let me refresh your memory. I disagreed with JASONAUTO about when to sign Houston and / or Smith. He said "NOW", I said for him to CHILL and wait till AFTER JUNE 1. You chimed in and said Jason was correct. Looks like one will sign AFTER JUNE 1 as I stated. The end.

:facepalm: Too dumb to even address.
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He'll start for Houston if he signs there. He is better than Jackson.

I agree. It was just as DUMB when you chimed in and sided with Jason. You were both just as wrong then.

The Chiefs have question marks at the following spots now:

LT
RT
RG
CB2
CB3
FS
ILB
WR3

They are below average at the following spots:

WR1
WR2
CB1
TE1
TE2
LG

I just can't find glasses that are red and gold enough to convince myself that all of those things are going to be sufficiently addressed with internal players.

You're the only dumbass that thought"Now" was to be taken literally. Everyone else understood he was talking about this off season.
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I don't understand why people get so attached to players from teams that sucked ass.

When you suck like the Chiefs have for so long, change isn't a bad thing.

QB is more important than any great draft

we'd have been better off drafting Flacco and bombing the rest of our picks

but our franchise, and fanbase, will never admit it

Most seem to be mad at the concept of going through the same cycle. And in 5 years it will reset again when the Chiefs cut/let walk Flowers replacement in Cooper or Gaines. And we will go through all this another 6 years from now.

It not about the player. It's about the team doing absolutely nothing while it has a good player in a time specific window and then has to start all over with his replacement, only to accomplish absolutely nothing with the next guy as well.

So basically Dorsey and Reid are paying the price for the sins of Peterson/Pioli

One guy has shown he's capable of playing in a cover 2, or as the 3rd safety in subpakages.
Another is converting from a college corner to safety.
the third is an UDFA.

Until they play, and show that they are capable, there is no proof that we have addressed anything.

Flowers was battling injury, and it's pretty clear that his play was declining and it was time to move on.

But he was the only corner on this roster with any versatility, which made him our best corner, numbers be damed.


Hope so too, but the Packers have been pretty mediocre in defensive talent evaluation.
Aaron Rodgers has been the only reason that team has been consistently competitive for the last 4 years or so.

We do?

Who?

and then the next person will be paying the price for Dorsey and Reid.

When you find those glasses, can you send me a pair?

This reminds me of the 2007 season of course the talent is much better and Dorsey has drafted guys of head of time so next year won't be a complete rebuild like the 2008 season was.

Still like its been stated Hali will be cut next year, DJ is getting older, Bowe is a wildcard if he doesnt produce this year you look for his replacement.

Whther he produces or not, we should still be looking for Bowe's replacement.

Dude ain't getting any younger.

That's true. They should have a top 15 pick next year and some cap room assuming they dump Hali, Daniel, and Fasano to sign a guy.

Check with Marcellus or BCD. They seem to have found them.

Those ****ers had rainbow and unicorn lasik surgery.

Those arent glasses thats acid.

If only there'd been a deep WR draft class.

Wouldn't that have been awesome?

Bottom line with cutting Flowers, the Chiefs got worse, period.

That's debatable.

I remember the good old days when Pioli had us $30 mill under the cap so we could sign some of the worst busts out there.

And the cornerbacks ahhhh Stanford Routt, Dunta Robinson, yep couldn't have used any of that money to extend Flowers and make his cap hit manageable. No sir.

Nope.

Why? The Chiefs could easily get someone to do what Flowers did last season. Be as good as Flowers in his prime? Probably not, but Flowers isn't in his prime anymore and doesn't fit in this defense. Team is no worse without him than they were last year.
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Pioli is the one who extended Flowers. And his cap hit would be manageable if he was still good.
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Until Parker, whose only real contributions were as a blitzer, or Owens, who was a jag on a bad defense, or Gaines steps up and replaces him, then this defense is worse without him.

That fact was illustrated in the playoff game.

Eh not really. Flowers played very well in the playoff game. But compared to the rest of the season, the good play was a fluke. Overall he was pretty terrible last year.
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Flowers struggles last year due to a balky knee, which should be fully healed and ready for this season.

He will, I'm sure, battle some other injury, but unless it's a knee or a leg injury, which affects his quickness, the strength of his game, then he should be much the same player he was 2 years ago.

Until, and unless, one of those guys steps up, this team is worse without him.

yea but you're putting all your eggs in a basket on an unknown rookie in Gaines, 1 year sample of Marcus Cooper, and Sean Smith who just got a DUI so he's going to be suspended at some point.

This is no different than what they did with the o-line. Tons of inexperience and unknowns. Where between what will be our three CBs playing the most snaps, they have a total of 6 years NFL experience. That's playing with fire.

The team is clearly counting on Ron Parker and Marcus Cooper as legit starters. They're great young depth guys with some real promising talents, but I'm nervous as **** entering the season with those two if Smith gets suspended.

If Flowers getting cut gives us the money to handle all of our extensions to players, then I guess we have to roll the dice a bit and make it happen. But I think this happened one year too early. I don't like it.

They aren't putting eggs in any basket. This baskets not going to market until Dorsey and Reid have the eggs they want worth the price they want. This teams in transformation mode. Get over it.

This team is in 100% dumping $$$ mode.

It's not improving talent.

It's not in a "win now" mode.

It's finding the most expensive players and replacing them.

And Dorsey is doing a VERY piss poor job...

Yeah, just be patient and we'll have a real contender here in 2016. Or 2018. Or 2020.

It's a process.

So another rebuild?

a rebuild of what was originally a rebuild? So it takes the Chiefs 8 years to rebuild where it takes a team like Seattle 3.

Wow. Strange timing to cut him now...I'm shocked nobody traded for him cause his base salaries the next 3 years were very affordable. Must be a medical reason they cut him.

Your choice to be a fan.

This team is situating itself to make a run in 2 years after Peyton Manning is retired.

:clap:

We've been rebuilding since 93 and haven't done worth a $3it since...

No, it's not.

It's dumping salary...

They get talent through the draft where Gould you like to have upgraded. Even the guys we lost there wasn't a lot out there. We tried on sanders and failed. We had to pinch pennies knowing smith, Houston , e
EB, and possibly JC need mo money. Keep the good you have or keep average guys.

The problem was the team had NO QB, HC or GM that could do anything with the talent on hand. Now they need to find a balance of new and old. The juggling act begins and unless more players with cap-killing deals take pay cuts, they will be gone. A team only has so much time to develop talent before it gets too expensive. Some of these guys have been around for several regimes with nobody to lead them. Time is up.

We hired a new coach and GM last offseason. It's only been a year. Maybe you didn't know that,

The defense we're running doesn;t really matter how "good" a cb is(good usually means versatile) we need a very specific player since we are essentially running the exact same coverage every single down....

Seattle only really has Earl Thomas as a huge name on their D.. Byron Maxwell came in as a 6th rd pick and did just fine (he is not coveted because he is a one trick pony)... Sherman was a 5th rounder i believe...

I do wonder if Jean stanley baptiste would have been a better pick over Gaines, for us... Camp reports are that he's tearing it up

moral of the story is that Brandon Flowers would probably have been cut from Seattle's D even if they could get him for cheap. Doesn't mean Byron Maxwell is "better" than him

And putting all of its resources into elite ceiling guys and a massive coaching staff. They are banking on developing the kids to replace the over paid and aging talent on the existing roster so that in 2 years, the team has an open window.

It's a piss poor job done.

You can disagree.

That's fine.

We'll all see the results this season...

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<blockquoteclass="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Flowers released a week after their other starter gets a DUI. They let BrandenAlbert go, have literally no WR's and andno O line. 6-10</p>&mdash; Brandon Spano(@BrandonSpano) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonSpano/statuses/477539425690218497">June 13, 2014</a></blockquote> <script asyncsrc="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Hilarious!

LMAO

That's true. We've had one of the slowest secondaries in the league for about 10 years now.

There is no draft pick or FA signed the last two years with an "elite ceilling."

Not a one...

I think we could scratch RT off the unknown list. We've seen a decent bit of Stephenson to know what we'll likely be getting with him.

I'd also move ILB to the below average list. He's been around long enough for us to know he sucks.

.. And this post makes me wonder. Will Sean Smith be our LCB or will they keep him at RCB and put Coop at LCB like they did most of last season?

when Sean Smith played LCB for the Dolphins in his final year he was absolutely dog shit horrible. He lost himself a big contract because of it. He can't cover teams number 1 WRs majority of the time on the left.

You don't seem aware of this, but KC keeps changing coaches and that always reboots the build process.

Seattle, unlike KC, was smart enough to fire a shitty coach after one season and hired a brilliant guy that most of the folks around here would have thrown a temper tantrum had we hired him. We gave Herm three, Haley two, and Crennel one. Seattle booted the guy who didn't perform... we gave them jobs for six seasons.

With all the other ?'s it won't matter...

And you're fine with this? Like the Chiefs get a free pass in certain "down" years because of this "process." Rather than demand a consistent winner as a fan?

What happens when this go around fails and this place is yelling for the next new coach and/or GM? The process resets again and that regime gets a pass in down years too?

This isn't me writing off Reid/Dorsey. It's me saying what if they end up like the rest, and we move on to yet another new FO/coaching staff. Theres only two ways this "process" will go, and they will either win, and fans will be happy or they will lose, and fans will start to get a little crazy/the sky is falling when the losing comes. I feel like the leash should be short for the Chiefs to just throw seasons.

Is this freeing up money for Alex smith or what ?

:Lin:

The only way to get a consistent winner is with a QB.

we don't have that right now?

I'm not sure Cooper will fare much better, although he is definitely our best hope.

I am optimistic, but we shall see.


Whether we have a QB or not, we shouldn't be crying over losing an overpaid CB since it really doesn't matter.

Not even discount-double-check could overcome a $3itty O line...

cooper, and aj Jenkins have elite celings.

Fisher, knile Davis, Commings, Dee ford, Phillip Gaines, also have elite ceilings. They are all physical specimens, in some sort. I doubt they will ever reach said ceilings, but the potential is there.

:LOL:

It is a pragmatic financial move that will hurt for a bit. Just losing his leadership etc... That being said, had to be done. Our cap situation is bad, and we have to do some housecleaning.

I really liked Flowers as a player. And I in no way wanted us to release him, but I understand the parameters. The fact remains that we need to extend Justin Houston (if we want to win longterm) and we need to extend Alex Smith (if we want to win this year and next).

We might be able to find a QB to replace Smith in a couple years, but that guy is not on the roster nor available in free agency right now. So, if we don't want another 4-12 season - and I, for one, don't - then we need to keep Smith around. And I know people want to say that we just let Smith play out his contract, then either franchise tag him or let Bray/Murray take over.

But sorry... QB doesn't work that way. For the first time since Vermeil, we actually have our HC/QB combination in place. you don't mess around with that, because it will literally affect the entire team chemistry. You can ditch a starting CB and the team won't suffer for it. Start messing with the QB position or getting too cute... and shit will fall apart.

Cutting Flowers opens up a little more cap room to extend two vital players.

I'm not happy about it, but I understand.

Exactly. There's a lot to criticize and question regarding this offseason but, only a ****ing reerun blames a current GM for the previous GMs mistakes.

Pretty much how I feel about it. Of course I could also complain about how Pioli ridiculously back loaded his and Hali's contracts making it unfeasible to keep both of them... especially since it was done at a time when KC was swimming in cap space.

If one feels you have to choose between letting Flowers or Hali walk, I'm letting Flowers go 100% of the time. I just think it's stupid that the two of them were taking up so much space later on in the contracts when we had like 30 million in space when we signed them.

I also think those coaching changes prohibited any kind of continuity or momentum. This team needed a coach that could bring consistent success, and I think that is exactly what we found in Reid.

Dorsey is rebuilding, sure, but I like that he didn't just blow the team up in order to do it. Next year there will be another veteran who is replaced or released, and we'll have this discussion all over again.

My money is on either Tamba or Derrick Johnson.

The thing we need more than anything else right now is for last year's draft picks to actually ****ing play and contribute. A successful Fisher, Commings, Kelce, and Davis will go a long way toward taking the pressure off Dorsey.

The move wasn't about this season. I just can't see the controversy on this one. If you can get rid of a shitty 3rd CB and save 7.5 million dollars, why wouldn't you do it?

purging talent, regardless of position, has a negative effect on any team. It's obvious to me that Flowers is somewhat of a controversial figure to kc fans. Not too long ago many here claimed he was a top 10 CB. Now all of a sudden, he sucks. Maybe he was misused under the current coaching staff, but that's on the coaching staff, not Flowers. Regardless, kc's CB talent is severely lacking.

Talent in the secondary is lacking with or without Flowers. He was a top 10 CB at his peak, but he's been declining for a couple years now and was a liability last season to the point where he lost his job to a scrap heap rookie.

He didn't lose his job.

If you think he did, you don't understand football. He was the starting CB all season. He moved inside on sub packages because the guy we signed for that role failed (Robinson) and Cooper was in no way ready for that role in the slot. It's the hardest spot to cover out of.

That's why slot corners are paid the most . . . oh wait.

Nice post Sapho. :thumb:

LMAO

Come on, dude.

Jenkins has 8 catches in 2 seasons. You might want to lower his ceiling until he gets up off the floor.

Just sayin'

Dudes 28 yup washed up way past his prime. :thumb:

We have that. No excuse. If they are as bad as some of you slapdicks are saying it's an absolute failure.