Reid is calling the offense, plain and simple. He has no input on the defense.

The Chiefs won when Reid game planned and called a great game. They lost when he called a bad game. There was no reason for losing to the Raiders after beating Seattle, no reason for losing to SF, no reason for losing to a very wounded Arizona team and so on.

Reid either works when he wants to or he's schizophrenic.

Q'ing myself, but Reid's regular season winning percentage has dropped six percent since Jim Johnson died and has been unable to win a playoff game without him, and further, Reid's teams have gone 19-24 since 2009 in games after week 8 of the season.

This, on offense.

On defense we worked miracles this year with scrubs and b/u players.

In no way can this season be blamed on the D.

We added ZERO talent in the passing game and allowed the O line to go to $#it this year...

Get your Chiefs season tickets now???

Reid is either schizo, completely ****ing incompetent...or he is part of the fix. That SF game was so maddening - all you have to do is RUN THE BALL.

ASK FOR A MEASUREMENT.

CHALLENGE THE SPOT.

Reid was complicit in allowing SF to crawl back into that game.

**** Fat Andy.

I commented on this earlier in the year and the vanilla-tards went ape $#it on me.

You don't trade for a QB that depends on A and B to be successful and then let A go to $3it and completely ignore B.

Look at it this way: Imagine if we did the Joe Montana trade only we didn't draft a single WR for two years and let 3/4th's of our offensive line leave...

Wow, so you have to call plays with downfield routes first??

Crazy talk.

If that happened, I bet we'd lose the AFC Championship Game in year 1, then go 9-7 and get screwed in the wild card against Miami and then Montana would retire.

Just my guess.

You understand that it takes time (seconds) for a WR to get downfield?

Yes?

And our O line can't block...like...at all. Every single play there's one free rusher on the QB.

There is no time.

We decided to go with a set of WR's that can't get open, run deep, and combined this ****ing winning strategy with an offensive line that can't pass block worth a ****.

Then, after trading for a QB that hate's to throw deep, we adopt a WCO with ****ing ZERO playmaking WR's and expect our HB/QB combo to compensate...

AND THAT'S WITH JOE MONTANA...

Hey, you're preaching to the choir.

WRs are dogshit, Oline is dogshit, Reid's a great offensive mind but a TERRIBLE game day manager/playcaller...

Because Chiefs???

Because Chiefs...

I co-sign all of this.

Whew. Lot of truth in this post.

There wasn't a better option than Alex, and one has yet to present itself imo. Hate that ****ing contract though...

Just discovered something I hate more than the Alex is teh debbil brigade, . . . agreeing with Hootie.

**** all y'all in the ear.

I think I'm getting an ulcer.

Yeah 4700 yards and 40 TDs is very inconsistent

It can (and will) be restructured.

They made it that big initially so Alex could get a lot of upfront cash guaranteed on the front end.

He's not going to account for $17m against the cap for 3 years or whatever. That is just asinine to think that he would.

There is.

But don't feed...

Better? In terms of individual play? Probably not.

Better in terms of value and performance? I think you can make a good case for trading for Carson Palmer instead (lower draft pick cost, even if you bump it up to convince the Raiders to do it) or signing a Kyle Orton/Jason Campbell/Ryan Fitzpatrick type, instead.

You might get slightly lesser performance from the QB, but the lower cost in picks/salary adds quite a bit of value.

No.

None of those guys is even close to Smith in production or intangibles. Orton would have been the closest, but he tried to retire last year, retired this year...and I don't think he would have came back here anyway.

Something tells me he has less than stellar memories of his time in KC.

Call it a hunch.

And now I know why they call you 'Claynus.' It's because you post some truly stupid shit.

Yeah, I still don't get the trade. Chiefs could have signed him after Cryners cut him and been able to keep the 2 picks.

If you want to blame some one for the contract blame the Bear and Cutler, that screwed up the market for middle tier QB's.

Teams are paying way to much for QBs as a percentage of the total salary cap.

Uhh...You missed on that one. Duncan is plugged in and very respected around here. He just shares an avatar with Claynus.

Orton is the only one I could get behind, but he was clearly done and looking for an out. Alex can man that role until we find the right guy versus any old guy.

Heh. Get used too it. You're pretty much spot on the same level as him regarding this topic. Consistently. YSN. Try and befriend him!

You're incorrect about the production. Go look at the numbers of each of the guys I listed. Palmer was having a tremendous year before getting hurt and out-performing Smith in most of the key areas. Orton and Fitzpatrick also had very strong seasons. Fitz was a little better than Alex Smith (With a better 1-2 punch in Andre Johnson and DeAndre Hopkins than Bowe and Kelce). Orton was a little worse (with Sammy Watkins and very little else around him).

"Intangibles" is the most overrated/overused buzzphrase in sports. The guys the media talk about having great intangibles or being great clubhouse guys rarely are (Mike Moustakas is a great example of this, actually). So I pay no real attention to the concept of "intangibles."

Oh, and no one calls me "Claynus," Your and idiot. Go look at the name next to my posts again.

This true. Teams shoved their dick down Sutton's throat running the ball. No need to pass.

See Oakland on Thursday night.

All of this is Alex's fault. Reid gets a pass.

I don't blame the Bears and Cutler. I blame the people who made the move. Not blaming them just because others did something stupid just doesn't cut it for me.

Marc Trestman didn't hold a gun to the heads of either Andy Reid or John Dorsey.

It was their choice to overpay to acquire Alex Smith and then their choice again to overpay Alex Smith in a contract extension.

Palmer has Larry Fitzgerald and an Oline, and calling Johnson and Hopkins a 'better 1-2 punch than Bowe and Kelce' is like saying Montana was slightly better than Boomer Esiason in the 80s. Fitz had a WAY better supporting cast around him, and still wound up with the same record as Smith. Orton had those numbers BECAUSE they had no running game, and he retired rather than be Buffalo's starter and HE NEVER WOULD HAVE COME BACK HERE ANYWAY.

I don't care what your name is to me. You're Claynus 2 to me.

That's funny, because Orton has actually been the least successful of those guys.

Just go look at the stats here. I know I was surprised at how effective Fitz and Palmer were. And it's not like either one of those guys was given the keys to a Porsche offensively (though Fitzpatrick got the equivalent of a Dodge Charger).

I've noticed. LMAO

Yet...

ORTON NEVER WOULD HAVE RESIGNED HERE.

But can't you see how they would have over reacted to the signing of Cutler.

****, who gives Cutler 100 million bucks. That changed market for all most any starting QB.

I do agree with you though. I guess I'm just trying to understand why it happened.

if Superbowl winning QBs struggle, they're still superbowl winning QBs...we don't have to wonder if their struggles mean something, we know damn well what they are capable of

if Smith struggles, it's another vet nobody struggling and we rightly worry about what it means...he hasn't accomplished anything throughout his career (the majority of which he has stunk out loud) to mitigate our concerns


and for the love of god stop comparing him to Luck...Luck is better, end of story

and he's in his 3rd year, compare that where Smith was in his 3rd year (being a terrible bust), and it's embarrassing...Luck is still all upside, Smith is a 9 year vet who is never going to be different than what he is now, which is mediocre...and not good enough...as is ****ing obvious

and Brady and Rogers just 'struggled' their way to the playoffs again


Smith just spent the second half of the season failing us....Mr. All I Do Is Win choked on a dick and lead us out of the playoffs, Franchise QB-style in reverse

Larry Fitz is not what he once was... though he's still a quality receiver, the apparently huge gap you perceive between him and Bowe doesn't really track with reality. Larry Fitzgerald is 31 and has put up Dwayne Bowe-level numbers the past 3 years. He had 30 more yards than Bowe this season and a nearly identical YPC. He has averaged less than 12 YPC the previous two seasons, too.

The Cardinals' offensive line is a better unit than the Chiefs, but the Chiefs also would have a better OL had they kept those two 2nd round picks and used one of those on a quality OL player.

I said Fitz had better receiving options. Hopkins very good, but Johnson is also in that "Not as good as he used to be or you think he is" territory. Johnson an Hopkins combined for 161 catches and 2,146 yards (13.3 YPC). Bowe and Kelce combined for 127 catches and 1,616 yards (12.7 YPC). And they did that while garnering 37 percent of targets. Hopkins and Johnson got 56 percent of the Texans targets.

So yeah, Hopkins and Johnson are a better 1-2 punch. But it isn't this gaping cavern of a gap that you seem to think it is.

Every situation is a little bit different. I'm not saying any of those guys would have crushed the numbers that Alex Smith has put up the past two years. Just that any of them could have put up similar numbers (even if a little lesser) at a much lower cost, and it is unlikely to have really cost the Chiefs anything they "accomplished" last year or this year.

MAYBE they go 10-6 last year instead of 11-5. Still make the playoffs and still are the top wildcard.

MAYBE they lose a game this year they won. Still didn't make the playoffs, so it doesn't matter. (Unless you place great stock in a moral victory like back-to-back winning seasons).

ROFL shows you what I know! I didn't like Carson with anyone but Arians.

You're ruining football talk on this board with posts like this.

Sure, I can see how/why an NFL front office would overreact to that. Especially one with blinders on about how good Alex Smith actually is.

But that doesn't mean it's a viable excuse or any less stupid.

This right here. Too much emphasis on stats these days. They don't tell the whole story.

well at least I'm no dumb enough to compare Alex Smith to Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers

...

you're right

Reid/Dorsey were pretty stupid for choosing Smith to be their guy over Aaron Rodgers.

Dumb****s!

I also think Trent would be insulted if he saw this thread. ROFL

every draft produces an Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady

doesn't everyone know that !?!

So Reid, who has spent his entire career drafting QB's in basically ever draft, should just draft guys like Geno and Bridgewater even if he doesn't like them just because "you don't know unless you try!"

Dude has gotten a young QB both years he's been here so far PLUS Alex Smith.

You guys need to ****ing relax.

Unless you know where the secret Aaron Rodgers tree is located.

So Pootie gets to mimic everything I've been saying all year and he's teh genio8us?

Honestly, I'm super relaxed about all of this because I've come to the conclusion that my generation was spoiled growing up in the Golden age of quarterbacks. There just aren't as mane elite QB'S as there was when I grew up during the 80's-90's. You get the best one you can and go for it. I can't remember outside of Geno the last time I was super hot on a college QB coming out in the draft. I'm not this year either...

I mean there's guys I like every year, but lately not many that make my eyes pop out of my head.

:facepalm:

This is coming from the dumb**** who has derailed countless threads with his tired old "Fivehead has never choked, you're all Brady apologists!!!!" diatribe.

LMAO

I have never said "Peyton has never choked."

This board is full of Brady apologists, however. As I have proved over the last week.

This is a very wise post.

Even with the NFL's relaxed passing rules, which should have ushered in another 1983 type draft every few years, it just hasn't happened.

While we've seen no shortage of Tony Gonzalez-style TE's, the 10-15 year Franchise QB remains elusive for the overwhelming majority of NFL teams.

I don't see that trend changing.

I cant believe with this and the other thread, I am reading the slander about Andrew Luck in an attempt to prop up Alex (yes Hootie, I am aware you wouldnt take Alex over Luck). But the point that Luck had an awful year is just a joke.

Luck has a terrible offensive line, one of if not the worst rushing offense in the NFL, and a terrible defense. The Colts literally ARE Andrew Luck.

The entire success of that franchise is predicated on Luck being able to carry them....can the same be said about Alex Smith?

If Andrew Luck doesnt play well, the Colts lose....can the same be said about Alex Smith?

If the Colts defense gives up 24 points, Andrew Luck still gives them a chance to win.....can the same be said about Alex Smith?

Andrew Luck is asked to do sooooo much more than Alex is, its comical. Alex is not asked to do more by Reid (and he wasn't by Harbaugh). Why? Because chances are, he would revert back to pre-Harbaugh days where he was one of the worst QBs in the NFL. The Chiefs passing offense is a low powered, dink and dunk offense, because it runs in a way which Alex can be successful (which I firmly believe most NFL quarterbacks could replicate). Luck runs a high powered passing offense, because he is capable of leading one.

There is absolutely no comparison between Alex and Luck. Zero.

I read fifty Andrew Luck excuses there, go figure. He took over a team Peyton Manning had competing at a Super Bowl level every year. He's got plenty of talent around him.

No one needs to make excuses for a QB who wins, and wins playoff games.

Thank you! That was my logic on it, and you worded it perfectly. With the rules changes there should absolutely be more guys putting up BIGGER numbers. Peyton is. Brees has. A few others. But not enough and not big enough. Can you imagine how many yards Marino would throw for today?

Well he's favored, at home, against Cincy. What will the excuse be for losing that one?

He will rape.

Luck will be in the AFCC and at the very least give Brady or Manning a game.

And what happened the one year that the Colts didnt have Peyton or Luck? Remember that season?

And I would love for you to show me what the "fifty excuses" are excusing exactly. Because the last time I checked, the Colts have been division champs 2 out of the 3 years Luck has been there....and been to the playoffs every year.....all in spite of the "excuses" you claim I wrote.

He didn't play Reid and the chuefs?

Tennessee, Jacksonville, Houston

Boy, I certainly hope he's winning that division

Doubt it

A few months ago you "doubted" that the Chiefs would miss the playoffs.

But I thought you said the colts sucked without manning. After all, they went 2-14 without him. What do you think their record would be without luck?

At 7-3? Ok, and?

I can't predict the future but the Colts are the 2nd worst playoff team IMO

It won't be Luck's fault they lose but Luck is also nowhere near elite yet.

He will be I think, but he's not particularly close yet. Big name, probably in the 8-12 range

Luck has been hot garbage for a month now.

Don't tell me having 2 competent TE'S and T.Y Hilton is hindering his ability. Let alone Moncrief, and Wayne. That team is talented.

Since he threw for 5000 yards and 40 TDs I'd say his ability is shining through.

16 picks
13 fumbles

1-5 against quality opponents

Terrible losses to Denver, Dallas, New England and Pittsburgh.

Has a division of Tenn / JAX / Houston

So impressed.

I'd have never guessed he did that this year based on the last month. Don't get me wrong though, I think he's elite. I just think he's losing this week.

I don't think the problem is the QB prospects themselves. I think the problem is the league they're entering.

Most great QB's that come to my mind all had adversity early in their careers. Walsh tried to replace Montana. Johnson tried to replace Aikman. Reeves tried to replace Elway. Steve Young was a disaster for Tampa. I don't know if you can count Marino's bad senior season and subsequent draft slide, but it put a chip on his shoulder.

It applies to Brady, Brees, and Rogers as well. Guys like Manning and Luck who enter on a golden chariot, handed the kingdom, and seem to progress in a positive direction the entire time appear to be the minority of great QB's.

Young QB's are too coddled and then given up on very swiftly. I don't mean they give up on them early. I mean the coach will roll a guy out there for 3-4 years while he sucks. They'll believe in them, coddle them, and then pull the plug as a reactionary measure to fans being pissed.

My point is that teams get the starter and then make roster decisions to protect his position and his confidence rather than bring in competition that may legitimately threaten the QB's job and force them to work harder and up their game. I know there are salary reasons for that as well, but that's my opinion. Qb's seem to have plenty of talent entering the league.

And that's a point you have to acknowledge Clay, because it's your talking point on fraudulent 9-0.

I'll acknowledge it when Luck stops being the singular driving force behind that franchise's success.

I'm going to change your username to Chuck Pagano's Cancer.

That's just hilarious to me.

See

On one franchise, the QB is the "singular driving force." Nevermind all of the errors he makes, or all of the receivers he misses (I saw Luck miss a wide open Reggie Wayne streaking down the sideline for a 70 yard TD that was every bit as bad of a miss as the Smith / Wilson miss).

All anyone says is, "Luck has to do it himself! His line doesn't block! His defense is terrible!"

Bull
****ing
Shit

You can't use excuses for one QB because his name is Andrew Luck and then turn around and consider those same excuses invalid for another QB because his name is Alex Smith, and it's counterproductive to your argument.

It's ridiculous.

What? Alex wasn't near the top of the league in every passing statistic.

Make some goddamn sense. The Colts don't even have a RB. You put Alex on that team and they suck.

the TD and yardage stat is completely useless when determining the worth of a QB

Andrew Luck threw for 400 yards and 3 TD's against Pittsburgh in a game where he put his team in a gigantic hole he could never recover from in the 1st half and used the 2nd half to put up an entire half worth of garbage points, yards and TD

He was god damn terrible against Dallas, Denver, New England and Pitt.

His last 4 weeks of the season he had QBR's of 38, 30, 11 and 50 and his team won 3 of those 4 games because they played Savage, Bortles, Romo (he was benched in the 3rd) and Whitehurst.

38
30
11
50

He wasn't good this year, he was average.

But people will say, "well he threw for 40 TD's and 4800 yards!!!"

He had a 20 : 2 TD/INT against Jax/Ten/WAS/NYG

He threw 16 picks and had 13 fumbles.

He had plenty of help on his side of the ball. Plenty.

Enough is enough. Stop making excuses for guys because they are name QB's. Either watch the games and formulate your own opinions or STFU.

The Colts amassed so many yards playing from behind this year it skews the numbers.

There is no metric that suggests Andrew Luck had an elite year. None.

He was 12th in QBR this year. Now, I don't think QBR is end all, be all ...

but I live in Colts nation, I am force fed every Colts game on my local channels ...

Andrew Luck is a good QB. However, he is so overrated because his name i Andrew Luck right now it is insane.

He is nowhere close to Aaron Rodgers / Tom Brady / Peyton Manning.

He is in the Eli Manning / Philip Rivers tier.

In what world is that Colts team anything without Andrew Luck?

He is the reason they are any good. 100%.

I think what he's trying to tell you is that they really aren't all that good. They're a product of their schedule and division.

You sit there and call Andrew Luck elite even though he was 0-4 against elite NFL teams (and lost every game in considerable fashion) and played about the same schedule as Alex Smith played last year when Alex Smith went 11-4.

but Luck gets all of the credit despite his 16 picks and 13 fumbles because he's allegedly a "1 man team", and Alex just got lucky ... you know ... for 53 games in a row.

53 games and he keeps winning more than he loses.

But it has nothing to do with Alex and everything to do with everyone else.

You can't use one argument against one guy and then completely ignore it against another guy.