28 million in cap space is very nice with the large deals they've given JC, Alex, Maclin and Houston.

They'll roll some over but I really think they'll make a play for Mathis.

As much as I ****ing hate Denver, yall own us. Pure and simple. These fans are in denial and have trash talked PM for 3 years and he's been our daddy since he's entered the league.

Intel? Because Reid has denied interest in Mathis. Things can change certainly in an instant for sure though.

I would like to see KC win that division.

I agree. This defense is close knit. They want to stay together and I believe they will for another year beyond this season.

We play Denver coming off a bye but at Mile High. That will be tough.

DeVito? No. He's old and just cut his number in half.

Howard? Possibly, depending on whether or not he continues to ascend.

Why us smith overrated?

Yeah, but I keep forgetting about that rollover feature.

There's really no 'downside' to backloading, provided you're smart about it. If you do it just to free up a bunch of money that you'll burn on overpriced fading vets (i.e. Evan Mathis), then it's stupid.

If you do it just to create some flexibility and be opportunistic should the right player come available or approach the team about an extension, then worst case scenario is that it doesn't get spent and it still rolls over into next season. At that point, Houston will have essentially 'forward paid' the first $8 million of next year's cap hit by taking less this year.

It's the same thing Smith did with his deal last year. Everyone bitches about Smith's cap figure over the next 3 years but they forget that he took a pretty massive cut last year that rolled over into this season and as such has actually pre-paid some of those dollars.

Don't have any inside info on it. Just a hunch.

Reid denied interest when the Chiefs barely had 500k in cap space. Far different ball game now.

It Catapano can play at a solid level, DeVito shouldn't be here next year.

Wow. Take a look at this article regarding a 'fair' deal for a Houston extension:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-...ton-and-chiefs

That's damn near identical to what the Chiefs actually did. KC tacked an extra year on the end that both helps Houston's agents say they got Watt money while also spreading the signing bonus number out a bit more, but otherwise it's virtually a carbon copy of what the Chiefs ended up signing Houston to.

It really is all a show. This sure looks like the end game was pretty apparent from the start.

Now all the Clarks need to do is plant some weed in his car and the substance abuse clause can kick in!

Joel Corry is smart when it comes to contracts. He's a good follow on twitter for contract breakdowns as well.

Catapano? LMAO

DeVito's replacement is already on the the team and it sure as **** isn't the Great White Hype.

Yea Howard is replacing Devito

yup

Wasn't that Black Bob, though?

Seconded.

I had a Howard post typed but when I was looking for any news on his possible extension I found that Corry article instead and thought it was much more interesting.

Catapano can't be counted on for anything at this point. However, if Howard goes out there and makes a leap like Bailey did last year, that's just the thing you keep some powder dry for. The in-season extension that keeps an ascending player off the market.

Catapano will be nothing more than an obvious passing down DL. But hey if he can get 4 sacks this year it's a steal being he was a 7th round pick.

an agent's point of view has nothing to do with fair

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This should be our year. But if PM adds one more playoff meltdown on his resume before he retires-so be it. I hope it is us that knocks them out of the playoffs this year.

It would be sweet to finally get revenge and end his career with a loss to us.

An agent is going to know more about a player's market value than you or I ever will. Hell, he's going to know more about a player's market value than a GM will because the GM is prohibited by the CBA from calling around to find out - it's collusion.

An agent is going to know a hell of a lot more about the market value for a player than anyone else you could talk to.

So, are people actually upset that we signed Houston?

i think blackbob is the only one

Ah, ok

I feel so badly for him.

I was thinking the same but you do now have the ability to carry over cap from the previous year so that might also be worth considering. Then we need to think about the other players we'll want to sign to long term deals, like Poe, etc. Maybe they'll start working on getting some of those done early. They should.

Someone explain this "rolling cap over to next year" thing, please..

Somewhere Stop's creature sobs profusely

If you're upset about this, then you're just the person that bitches to bitch. You'd complain if you were hung with new rope.

If you don't spend it, it carries over into the following year.

So if the Chiefs don't spend $8 million of this year's cap and next year's 'base' cap is $150 million, the Chiefs would actually have a cap of $158 million.

Only the biggest of the big dip$#its...

It's one of those "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him" kind of things.

No, nobody worth mentioning is upset about the Houston signing. However, it's CP. Whenever everyone's happy, nobody has anything to say. So we have to just assume that a fair number of people are unhappy so we can call them idiots.

Maybe he blows out his knee tomorrow and never takes the field again. If so, shit happens. This is a fair deal for a great player and there's just no reason to be upset about it.

Fortunately, nobody really is.

You, a few weeks ago, made a point of pegging me as one of those people.

http://quicklol.com/wp-content/uploa...emotivator.jpg

Suck it, blackbob http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=434

Is black bob the worst poster of all time?

I'm stoked that ownership stepped up and dug deep in the coffers. The future looks bright and love the team the Chiefs are building. It's great players want to play for the Chiefs.

Wow, that's pretty cool. That must be a new development..?

I'm pissed

Since the last cba, and iirc, the chiefs have done it a few times.

Wake up dummyo:-)

Yeah, Pioli was good at that one.

I heard yesterday on NFL Radio that the Houston deal was "team friendly" in year two and would give the Chiefs a lot of cap space (evidently relative to how it could have been structured), but then never heard or found the exact deal. Sorry if it's been posted somewhere herein but does anyone have those specifics yet?

Someone broke it down a few posts back.

I wouldn't exactly call it team friendly. Sounds like someone made that shit up. Year 1 is team friendly. Year two is 19million.

Teicher said that on ESPN

Ah thanks. It was Pat Kirwin I think.

hey, milkman is younger than me and i'm not senile yet!

Chiefs should use some of that space to extend Poe for like 8 years.

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for shits and giggles

Prisco got owned!

How can he say VDbag had a better year than Houston? Dumb.

honestly i think poe is the one who is getting overvalued, he may be the one who walks

Prisco is saying what we've been telling you guys for months... Houston gets most of his sacks in bunches against bad tackles. Von is not allowed to go one on one against bad tackles, teams double him constantly. Houston is a good player but he isn't the elite, cream of the crop talent that Von is.

Until Von gets 23 sacks he's not as good as Houston. He's not even a top 3 defensive player from his draft class.

So you're saying that Justin Houston is better than Reggie White?

JJ Watt gets half of his sacks vs a terrible Jags and Titans offensive line

This was a stupid argument when it was made years ago as justification for dealing Jared Allen. It's a stupid argument now.

Virtually ALL pass-rushers get their sacks in bunches and a vast majority of those come against poor lineman. Miller had 6 games last year where he didn't get a sack; Houston had 3. And yes, 7 of Houston's sacks came in 2 games (Rams and Chargers) but the thing about those games is that Houston controlled those football games. So setting aside the fact that it means that Houston had 15 sacks on the season even if you take out his two best games (still more than Miller's 14), Houston's performance in those 2 games was enormous.

If you have a player like Houston or DT (or yes, even Miller) that is going to go out there 2 or 3 times a year and just put the opposition in a stranglehold, that's incredibly valuable. It's also how virtually all pass-rushers manifest their worth to a defense.

But again, I think the fact that Houston is also a premier coverage and run-support strong-side OLB is a feather in his cap rather than a knock against him as you keep trying to make it. Few players can get 22 sacks against a QB and hold their own in contain and coverage. Had they just put Houston in Hali's spot and sent him on kamikaze runs after the QB 80+% of the time, he'd have had more sacks. You note that he doesn't face premier LTs but ignore the fact that he had to operate on the strong side, dealing with a potential chip from the TE and more run responsibility. He took it in stride and was still an explosive pass-rusher.

Von's a year removed from his knee injury and playing essentially the same position as Houston is. We'll see what kind of impact he has. It will be pretty easily settled on the field.

No, but that's because there is much more passing now than when he played. More opportunities for defenses today.

Also, eat shit you trolling turd herder.

You're right 22 sacks isn't elite. GTFO you ignorant buffoon.

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Yep that sucks when D. players get sacks in bunches. I guess sacks only count if they are against All Pros now.

Houston had better stats, better in coverage, no penalties and barely missed being named D player of the year...

But please, keep telling how he is Not an elite player. STFU

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They also move him around the defensive line to match him up with the opponent's weakest offensive lineman.

I guess that makes V Dbag better than Watt- because he only plays against All Pros and is triple-teamed every single play according to Knowmore.

I wonder if Vonn ever got a drivers license?

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Yep... reminds me of Vermiel saying things like, "If you remove the two long running plays we gave up, we held him pretty well." Most RBs gets yards in several large bunches in a game. Same with sacks.

Honestly, I think there's a perception issue with Houston, and I think that it's affecting how AFCW fans (including me) see him vs. how he's seen league-wide.

-Against Denver, he has 4.5 sacks in 7 games (0.64 sacks per game), and 1 sack in the last 4 games.

-Against Oakland, he has 3 sacks in 7 games (0.43 sacks per game).

-Against San Diego, he has 5 sacks in 7 games (0.71 sacks per game), but before his very last game, he had 1 in 6 games (0.17 sacks per game).

So against AFCW opponents, he's had 12.5 sacks in 21 games. Before the last game of the season, he had 8.5 sacks in 20 AFCW games (0.43 sacks per game). Against the rest of the league, he's had 36 sacks in 38 games (0.95 sacks per game). His pass rushing is way more effective against teams outside the AFCW.

If you rely on Prisco to validate a terrible opinion...He posted a 2014 top 100 list that other beat-writers/analysts laughed at...he was openly ridiculed for being an idiot. It was amazingly horrible. I guess it makes sense that you like him...he is unashamed about his hatred of the Chiefs and made sure he listed Von one spot above Houston. The guy is seriously a petty douche...that only gets mentioned because of this trait...instead of his writing.

Prisco is borderline reeruned.

Gooooooood......

Houston Signs
 

Franchise tag would be just under $11 mil for Sean Smith? It'll depend on how this season goes, and our money situation, but I'd think long and hard about that. IIRC, he's already scheduled to make $8 mil this year.

You only play 6 divisional games a season. Seems like a favorable statistic for us.

I'd like to see the stats on that for the past two season with hurries included. People love to look at sacks but hurries are an important factor as well.

Don't insult the mentally handicapped.

I said in some random thread around here that Houston and Hali need to get their shit together against Denver, no question.

I feel like the Broncos tackles (with Manning's help) have been able to pretty much handle both Houston and Hali in one on one matchups and if you can do that against KC, you pretty much have us by the balls.

I think the team in general has largely played like monkeys ****ing a football against Denver and I think Manning is in their heads; it's not just Houston and Hali. If they hope to take the division from him this year, they have to play their A games against that squad and to this point they just haven't done it.

I will be sorely disappointed with Justin Houston if he goes out there and gets fed his lunch by the Broncos again this year. The Chiefs have a chance to do big things this year but it has to start with our best players playing their best games in our biggest matchups. It may not even show up on the stat sheet, but you can see it as the game unfolds. Houston and Hali have not risen to the occasion for certain and if I'm a Broncos fan, that's probably something that diminish Houston substantially in my eyes.

It's probably similar to how Chiefs fans viewed Champ Bailey. Eddie Kennison didn't always destroy Champ, but he did a couple of times and it sure made Champ seem mortal to us. Against the rest of the league he was probably a huge difference maker but I know I never worried about the fact that the Broncos had Bailey on their squad and it was almost certainly because of the number that Kennison put on him a time or two.

They played different positions, asswipe.

You may as well ask us if we think Dontari Poe is better than Deion Sanders.

Tell me this.

Can you say with certainty that Eric Kush is not a major downgrade from Hudson?

Can you say with any certainty that Allen is going to step up and play at a level better than Fulton?
Or that Fanaika will?
Or that Fulton will suddenly develop an athletic ability that he clearly didn't have last year?

Can you say with certainty that the good Donald Stephenson will show up at RT?
Or that Allen steps up there?

Is there any single player auditioning for any spots from center to RT that is a clear and certain upgrade?

Justin Houston led the league in QB pressures last year, with J.J. Watt coming in second.

Carry that cap into next year. Relax. They're covered either way.

Based on last year alone, he was a shutdown corner. That doesn't mean he always has been or always will be, but he absolutely was, and it was obvious by game 5-6 he was killing it.

There's zero downgrade to either spot, and nothing is clear and certain. EVER. Justin Houston might play like shit. Alex Smith might throw for 5000 yards. But I'm pretty certain that we at the very least will see very slight improvements to both positions this season

Could it get worse than Zach Fulton? No, it can't. That's impossible. Because Zach Fulton is still around to be Zach Fulton if all of the candidates are worse than he is. And that's not very likely to happen. Anybody with an ounce of common sense would say that barring injury, the RG position has at least around a 90% chance or greater of giving us AT THE VERY LEAST a slight upgrade.

Could it get worse than Ryan Harris? The only reason why more people didn't bitch that guy out is because just two years ago Eric Fisher had the infamous distinction of being the worst ****ing ever RT the Chiefs have ever thrown out for a season. Oh, and Mike McGlynn happened to be playing on the same line. So no, Donald Stephenson or Jeff Allen can not be worse than Ryan Harris. Are they upgrades? Very very likely.

Overwhelming odds to have at the very least slight improvement at both positions on the right side. Massive upgrade at LG. Downgrade at C.

One position is NOT going to kill this OL and make it worse. That is ****ing silly. If it's worse than last year it's because we have a nasty injury at one of the tackle spots or to Ben Grubbs.

False. Houston had sacks in all but 3 games. BUF, SEA, DEN. So, false.

Von IS most certainly allowed to go 1 on 1 with bad tackles. Eric Fisher shut him down late his rookie season. Alone. So again, false.