http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-s...ussell-wilson/


This is how it breaks down.

Lol. So his average salary only counts the extension like we said from the get go ... Glad this thread spun out of control because Dane can't be wrong ROFL

Yeah, because I'm the guy that said he would get 5 years, $110 million with $80 million guaranteed.

:rolleyes:

Yeah, and I'm also the guy that said he'll get $31 million this year, which is untrue.

:rolleyes:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/...n-year-by-year

Wilson's $31 million in true guaranteed money at signing is well below many top quarterback deals. His $56.6 million over the first three years of the deal is well below the $67 million Cam Newton received or the $65 million Ben Roethlisberger got.

That is the average salary of the extension. 4 years. The is a fifth year there Hootie, and the signing bonus is on that year too.


How can it average 22 million when over that time (4 years) there are two years in the 18 millions one at 21.7 and one at less than 24?

That's just the extension, not the entire 5 year deal.

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“New money” has become one of the great fictions in the assessment of NFL contracts. But, you know, when in Rome.

For Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson, the headline is that he signed a four-year, $87.6 million extension, with a new-money average of $21.9 million. The truth is that the last year of his current contract, at a base salary of $1.542 million, has been ripped up and replaced with a new five-year, $89.1 million deal.

But since the average of the total five-year deal is $17.8 million, it won’t be characterized that way when it comes to deciding whose is bigger.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...gin-to-emerge/

Oh and if you look on down at his previous contract, Hootie, you will see that they crossed out all the numbers to this upcoming season.


What contract are they using for this year? He's not under contract right now?

Dude I have already broken this down 2000 ****ing times LMAO

Quoted, once again

Quoted, once again

It's all there .


I didn't even look at the words written until Hootie pointed out that Wilson isn't under contract this year apparently... They crossed out this year on his last contract and (which the salary changed) then said he signed a 4 year contract that runs through 2019 which is 5 seasons from now.


It doesn't add up...

It's hilarious. Seriously.

But Hootie and his minions will come along shortly to tell us that we're all too stupid to understand.

Meanwhile, the Seahawks won't even cut the $20 million dollar check until August 10th.

Clearly when I predicted 5/110/80 I was factoring in his last year on his rookie deal!

I definitely thought he'd be getting a 4 year, 108.5M dollar extension with $80M guaranteed. Duh. $27.25M a year in new money.

Just LMAO

You guys are so ****ing stupid

Dane, answer 1 question for me. Just 1. All I want is a dollar amount. Nothing more, nothing less.

If Seattle cuts Russell Wilson after the 2015 season for non injury related performance issues, how much money will they have to pay him for 2015?

Answer that for me.

Lmao lmao lmao

The amount of money and the check date is utterly meaningless. Russell Wilson signed for $31M in SIGNING bonus. That's all guaranteed. When they pay it is meaningless. If that cut him tomorrow, he gets $31 million dollars.

You're arguing fact. It's pathetically hilarious

Dane, call your sports agent buddy and ask him. I know you have one, you told us all yesterday !!!

Obviously you didn't think that at all.


But you weren't even close on the guaranteed money either.


Even of it was 60. There is a ****ing huge gap from 60-80 million, I know you probably don't understand numbers that big and are thinking of it in 60-80 dollar terms. 20 million is a lot of ****ing money

It is meaningless. Except that you said he was receiving all $31 million this year, which is clearly not the case.

And why are you ignoring the links I provided by both Mike Florio and Jason LaCanfora, that dispute almost everything you've claimed?

Dane, please answer. Thanks.

LMAO

He hits free agency a year earlier than my suggested extension. So unless you think Russell will be out of the NFL after 2019 then yes, that $20M is meaningless. He'll get a new extension with Seattle after 2017. It'll be massive. This is nothing more than a 3 year deal most likely.

Dane, still waiting. Thanks.

People were comparing Wilson's upcoming extension to previous ones given to QBs like Rodgers. Show me one post on here that talked about Aaron's extension where they referred to it as a 7 year deal and averaged in the old contract...just one.

I called it a seven year deal at least once, I agree that his was a seven year deal.

Edit: it may have been romos I was referring to. I can't remember and I don't give a shit enough to even look back a couple pages.

Dane?

Hey, how've you been?

Great, you?

Can't complain. So...want talk about the tax implications of signing bonuses over cocktails?

Of course I do.

Show me.

I edited that post, it might have been romo I was talking about.


I wasn't gonna look but I will, just for you

Dude, we're not talking about in this thread. You're dense.

He doesn't get it.

He thinks we're talking about this thread. He doesn't realize we're talking about when Rodgers signed his new 5 year deal.

You've moved the goalposts so many times in this thread that they no longer exist.

The details of his signing bonus are clear: $20 million on August 10, 2015 and $11.7 in April, according to LaCanfora.

That's not $80 million, that's not $31 million paid this year.

It's $20 in August, $11.7 next year.

It's also not 5 years, $110 with 80 guaranteed. And just as I said immediately when the contract was announced, he has a new 5 year deal with a maximum value of $87.5 million. LaCanfora clearly stated his contract was torn up and replaced by this new five year deal.

If you want to keep denying these facts, fine. But ignoring Florio and LaCanfora because their reports don't match your faulty narrative is all on you and has nothing to do with me.

and my response to you..

Dane,

Why can't you answer THIS question?

Why? Why? Why?

Just ****ing answer it.

You weren't talking about shit dumbass. Saul was asking a question and you are correct I misunderstood.

Well, I just answered it, ****ball.

Secondly, it's only 6:30 PST and I just finished dinner with my family.

****ing chill, Drunkman.

I just read the LaConfara article for the first time. Lmao. Nowhere does it say they tore up his old deal. Nowhere. Lmao. Nowhere.

It says he receives a $31M signing bonus, 20M due in August, and 11 in April.

And he also says the deal is set up to put both sides back at the table in 2017.

Wow man. You're ridiculous, lmao. Now, answer my question you ****ing dipshit

In fact, that article even referred to it as a 4 year, 87.6 M extension

So Dane, please, answer this without using words, just numbers. Thanks.

I'm talking about back before this discussion. It has ALWAYS been understood that, when talking about extensions, people are referring to additional years and new money.

If Alex Gordon signs an extension today paying him an additional $80,000,000 through the end of the 2019 season, people aren't going to say "he signed a 4.39 year contract worth $83,981,545". They're going to say he signed a 4 year extension worth $80,000,000...and only Dane will wonder why his contract will be up with 68 games left in the 2019 season.

It was Florio. Regardless, facts are facts, unless you're saying that Russell Wilson's contact doesn't exist.

For Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson, the headline is that he signed a four-year, $87.6 million extension, with a new-money average of $21.9 million. The truth is that the last year of his current contract, at a base salary of $1.542 million, has been ripped up and replaced with a new five-year, $89.1 million deal.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...gin-to-emerge/

And how shocking is it that you're not reading a single link. Oh wait...

Except that every national sportwriter is stating it as a five year deal that averages $17.5 million.

As Florio stated, it's nonsense and the biggest fiction in assessing sports contracts.

But hey, don't let facts fool you.

Oh, BTW, what's it like to be Hootie's minion? Does he pay well? Is it all in pizza and cheap beer?

Lmao. No. That is just Florio's wording. They didn't rip up his contract. What is 87.6 + 1.542?

The truth is, he received a 4 year extension for $87.6 million.

More than likely, it's a 3 year, $57M deal and they'll renegotiate before the 2018 season.

It's actually 17.8M.

Aaron makes $850K more per year.

This has already been discussed.

That's true. The issue is that even on spotrac there is a missing year in his contract. They mark out the final year of his old contract then say he signed a 4 year deal that runs through 5.

Dane, still waiting for answer

If they didn't rip up his old contract why did his salary change this year?

Thank you.

Hootie, still waiting for an answer...

Why, is your eyesight failing as well as your kidneys?

I'd like for you to prove to us that Wilson is receiving $31 million this year, as you claimed.

Hootie, still waiting on that answer

I don't really have an answer. Maybe they did? I never really looked into it.

To me, it looks like a 3 year, $57M deal, which is basically fully guaranteed unless the Hawks cut Russell for performance related issues.

It would be tough for Seattle to cut him after giving him $31M to sign.

Do you know what a signing bonus is?

Hey Dane, can I get an answer brah!? In number form only. Thanks.

Thank you

Apparently, you do not.

He's receiving $20 million this year, not $31 million.

Definitely not an expert. I just know he has a 99.9% chance of making the Seahawks in 2017 which guarantees him $57M to play QB in 2015, 2016 and 2017

Why don't you tell us how $31 million equals $20 million?

By the way, I never, ever claimed that Wilson wasn't receiving $31 million as a signing bonus but YOU CLAIMED he was receiving it all THIS YEAR.

Why won't you answer my very simple question?

If he's cut immediately after this season, how much will the Seahawks have to pay him for playing on their team in 2015?

Just answer you ****ing coward.

Wrong.

I scoffed at those implying Wilson signed a 5 year deal with only 31.7M guaranteed. Because that's a lie. It's impossible for him to only make 31.7M unless he only plays 1 more season in the NFL and is cut for performance reasons only.

If you interpret the contract that way, the only POSSIBLE way for him to only make 31.7 million is to be cut after the season by the Seahawks for performance reasons.

This is fact. How do you argue fact?

Which is still far less than what other QB's have recently received.

But I'm sure you're unaware of that because your reading comprehension is clearly at a Pre-K level.

I dont think anyone is arguing that he'll make 31.7M if he's cut. I don't even know how that helps your point. Every player would get their full guarantees if they were cut. If Houston were cut after this season, he'd get more money than if Wilson were cut after this season. Cam Newton would get 31M if he were cut after this year.

My point is, to say he's on a 5 year deal with 31.7M guaranteed is impossible. Literally impossible. It cannot happen.

Once again, there isn't a single person that claimed anything close to your saying. You're just moving the goalposts, once again.

And there's still this gem, in which you've repeatedly failed to address:


Please explain how Russell Wilson is being paid $31.7 million in 2015.

I'm sorry, Dane. He gets $20M in a week, and another $11M in April. My fault, dude. I guess you pwned me because Seattle is giving him two checks to cover his signing bonus 8 months apart.

Wrong Dane

I still find it funny Dane refuses to answer my question

I didn't own anything. I'm not the person making the crazy false claims.

Enjoy your evening!