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Fansy the Famous Bard 11-12-2015 05:57 PM
wowzers... newcomb AND ellis? That's quite the price.... Newcomb alone should have been more than enough.

ChiTown 11-12-2015 05:59 PM
Silver Slugger award winner : Kendrys Morales:clap:

BWillie 11-12-2015 06:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 11878526)
Yeah well we've seen how well the "let's be indefinitely mediocre and hope everyone has a career year at the same time" strategy has worked for the Chiefs.
I would rather be good every year & maybe happen to luck into something, than to suck for 3 decades like the Royals did. It's great to win World Series, but 30 years of just bottom of the barrel garbage is too much to stomach again. Many of you don't know how it feels, but I was a die hard Royals fan since I was a little kid. I was born in 1984, and until last year, I had not known in my cognitive memory a Royals team that was any good.

suzzer99 11-12-2015 06:05 PM
2003 was decent.

cosmo20002 11-12-2015 06:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 11878498)
I must be missing something. Miami (28) and Houston (30) had two of the three lowest revenue totals last year. Of course they're "small market" as we know the term In baseball. If that term bothers you then use small revenue. Same ultimate message: they're broke.

Royals were 16 by the way at $231m vs Hou at $175m
Dumb. They aren't small market.
If they were low revenue last year, it is because the they had low attendance due to the teams not being good, especially Houston, and they probably have old TV deals.

BigMeatballDave 11-12-2015 06:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 11878519)
If you're going to go for it, you go all in. GMDM has demonstrated that he clearly understands this.

Either they're going to go balls to the wall while the nucleus is together (Gordon + Zobrist + really good SP), or make moves to position themselves for a smoother transition when these guys leave, meaning that 2017's trade deadline could be heartbreaking.
Yeah, but I think 3 Pennants and 2 WS wins would go a long way in soothing that hurt. :)

SAUTO 11-12-2015 06:14 PM
Rasmus first ever to accept the qualifying offer

cosmo20002 11-12-2015 06:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 11878519)
If you're going to go for it, you go all in. GMDM has demonstrated that he clearly understands this.

Either they're going to go balls to the wall while the nucleus is together (Gordon + Zobrist + really good SP), or make moves to position themselves for a smoother transition when these guys leave, meaning that 2017's trade deadline could be heartbreaking.
Nah, we'll be making another playoff run...the offseason will probably be rough though.

cosmo20002 11-12-2015 06:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11878705)
Rasmus back to the Astros


1 year/15.8 million
I assume that's the qualifying offer. He'd be the first ever to accept it.

SAUTO 11-12-2015 06:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 11878773)
I assume that's the qualifying offer. He'd be the first ever to accept it.
Q

cosmo20002 11-12-2015 06:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 11878737)
2003 was decent.
And for a few years after, it was like a source of pride...Hey, we were over .500! It was like a WS win. Or at least a WS appearance.

BigCatDaddy 11-12-2015 06:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lex Luthor (Post 11878635)
Rany? As in "Dayton Moore should be fired for trading Wil Meyers" Jazayerli?

That Rany?

Rany is an excellent writer and a knowledgeable Royals fan. But he's not really that good at evaluating talent. Remember how he used to idolize Kila Ka'aihue?
Yost and DM as in the same guys that hit Getzy leadoff? The same guys nearly ran out if town 2 years a go?

duncan_idaho 11-12-2015 06:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lex Luthor (Post 11878667)
I guess I don't want them to completely strip the farm system and have this team lose 100 games in 2018 and beyond. Dayton Moore's philosophy is to build a strong farm system with a continuous pipeline of talent to the major leagues. I trust the process.



I want to have my cake and eat it too. I think they can sign Zobrist for sure, and hopefully Gordon. If they do that, they've got a pretty good team. No need to trade away ALL of the prospects.

It's not about farm system, it's about committing a lot of payroll for 2018 and beyond to guys in their mid-to-late 30s, when they're declining.

Signing FAs won't hurt the farm system. Just gives them less flexibility when Cain/Mouatakas/etc. become FAs.

Lex Luthor 11-12-2015 06:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11878817)
It's not about farm system, it's about committing a lot of payroll for 2018 and beyond to guys in their mid-to-late 30s, when they're declining.

Signing FAs won't hurt the farm system. Just gives them less flexibility when Cain/Mouatakas/etc. become FAs.
That's true. After I posted that I realized I sort of switched topics there.

suzzer99 11-12-2015 06:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11878817)
It's not about farm system, it's about committing a lot of payroll for 2018 and beyond to guys in their mid-to-late 30s, when they're declining.

Signing FAs won't hurt the farm system. Just gives them less flexibility when Cain/Mouatakas/etc. become FAs.
I love Moose, but of all the core players right now he would seem to be the most replaceable with something comparable. Since it's assumed we won't resign Hosmer - that really just leaves Cain. Let's say for the sake of argument he's out of reach too no matter what we do. Would you then be ok with selling out for 2016-2017?

I mean we just traded away a bunch of prospects to increase our odds of winning the WS maybe 10%. Why not sell out the future after 2017 to guarantee we'll be right in the mix the next two years?

MeatRock 11-12-2015 06:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 11878731)
I would rather be good every year & maybe happen to luck into something, than to suck for 3 decades like the Royals did. It's great to win World Series, but 30 years of just bottom of the barrel garbage is too much to stomach again. Many of you don't know how it feels, but I was a die hard Royals fan since I was a little kid. I was born in 1984, and until last year, I had not known in my cognitive memory a Royals team that was any good.
Many of us don't know how it feels and you were born in 1984? ROFL
What the **** ever.

Lex Luthor 11-12-2015 07:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 11878731)
I would rather be good every year & maybe happen to luck into something, than to suck for 3 decades like the Royals did. It's great to win World Series, but 30 years of just bottom of the barrel garbage is too much to stomach again. Many of you don't know how it feels, but I was a die hard Royals fan since I was a little kid. I was born in 1984, and until last year, I had not known in my cognitive memory a Royals team that was any good.
I'm right there with you, except I have been a fan since the very first game this team ever played. For 30 years this team was uninteresting and irrelevant. Remembering the glory days of the mid 1970s and the mid 1980s made the 30 years of SUCK even worse, because I knew what it felt like to be proud to be a Royals fan. I don't EVER want to see that again.

siberian khatru 11-12-2015 07:07 PM
@Braves: Braves acquire IF Erick Aybar, LHP Sean Newcomb & RHP Chris Ellis & cash from Angels for SS Andrelton Simmons and C Jose Briceno

Saul Good 11-12-2015 07:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 11878826)
I love Moose, but of all the core players right now he would seem to be the most replaceable with something comparable. Since it's assumed we won't resign Hosmer - that really just leaves Cain. Let's say for the sake of argument he's out of reach too no matter what we do. Would you then be ok with selling out for 2016-2017?

I mean we just traded away a bunch of prospects to increase our odds of winning the WS maybe 10%. Why not sell out the future after 2017 to guarantee we'll be right in the mix the next two years?
Why is Hosmer so sure to be gone? The guy is pretty average to this point in his career.

suzzer99 11-12-2015 07:25 PM
Just going by what I hear and read.

duncan_idaho 11-12-2015 07:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 11878826)
I love Moose, but of all the core players right now he would seem to be the most replaceable with something comparable. Since it's assumed we won't resign Hosmer - that really just leaves Cain. Let's say for the sake of argument he's out of reach too no matter what we do. Would you then be ok with selling out for 2016-2017?

I mean we just traded away a bunch of prospects to increase our odds of winning the WS maybe 10%. Why not sell out the future after 2017 to guarantee we'll be right in the mix the next two years?

I'm all for signing up to compete heavily for titles in 16 and 17, before the face of the team changes drastically.

I also think Gordon and Zobrist can be productive enough on the back end of deals to make things work.

I'd also be fine with extending Cain by 2-3 years, and Perez by 2-3, and using some of the payroll room that way. It's good to reward your own guys if you get a few more years of control out of it.

I want at least one veteran bat, to help protect against recession from Moustakas or Hosmer, and otherwise think they can puzzle piece things together (second bat, SP, etc).

That they're showing so much interest in CF types like Bradley does make me think, as I mentioned earlier today, that they may be eyeing a move of Cain to RF sooner rather than later.

It's nice having a strong core that gives you so many options.

Saul Good 11-12-2015 07:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11878894)
I'm all for signing up to compete heavily for titles in 16 and 17, before the face of the team changes drastically.

I also think Gordon and Zobrist can be productive enough on the back end of deals to make things work.

I'd also be fine with extending Cain by 2-3 years, and Perez by 2-3, and using some of the payroll room that way. It's good to reward your own guys if you get a few more years of control out of it.

I want at least one veteran bat, to help protect against recession from Moustakas or Hosmer, and otherwise think they can puzzle piece things together (second bat, SP, etc).

That they're showing so much interest in CF types like Bradley does make me think, as I mentioned earlier today, that they may be eyeing a move of Cain to RF sooner rather than later.

It's nice having a strong core that gives you so many options.
Totally agree. The best part is that Moose and Hosmer should be much more likely to improve than regress.

tk13 11-12-2015 07:34 PM
Losing Simmons is going to be a huge PR blow for the Braves, but they've built a great collection of pitching prospects. Basically what the Cubs did with position players with Bryant, Soler, Russell, etc, etc... that's what the Braves are with pitching.

They've already got Teheran and Shelby Miller at the big league level, with Matt Wisler, Foltynewicz, Max Fried, Lucas Sims, Touki Toussaint, Kolby Allard, Mike Soroka, Manny Banuelos, Tyrell Jenkins, and now Sean Newcomb and Chris Ellis. They could field an entire pitching staff of prospects most teams fans would be chatting up as future frontline guys.

tk13 11-12-2015 07:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11878865)
Why is Hosmer so sure to be gone? The guy is pretty average to this point in his career.
Be interesting to see how his postseason success affects his future contract.

I'd say he'd be in line for a Freddie Freeman type contract at this point... but he is also building a great reputation as a playoff performer. And he'll be a better HR guy in another ballpark.

I'm not as big on selling out the next two years as everyone else. Obviously we are going to go for it, and should... but I think Cuthbert and Mondesi are going to be good players. Bubba has a shot. Ventura and Perez are signed long term. Zimmer and Almonte have great potential. They're never going to retain all these current guys, but with a few smart signings this team can be competitive well into 2020... with a new TV contract to boot. They have a lot of incentive to keep this team competitive for the TV contract.

cosmo20002 11-12-2015 08:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lex Luthor (Post 11878844)
I'm right there with you, except I have been a fan since the very first game this team ever played. For 30 years this team was uninteresting and irrelevant. Remembering the glory days of the mid 1970s and the mid 1980s made the 30 years of SUCK even worse, because I knew what it felt like to be proud to be a Royals fan. I don't EVER want to see that again.
Kind of a small disagreement--They had some up and down years after 1985, sometimes they were contenders, sometimes they weren't, sometimes they were around .500.
The SUCK---truly SUCK years---historic SUCK was 1996-2013, other than the blip in 2003.
Just sayin...

Saul Good 11-12-2015 08:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 11878946)
Kind of a small disagreement--They had some up and down years after 1985, sometimes they were contenders, sometimes they weren't, sometimes they were around .500.
The SUCK---truly SUCK years---historic SUCK was 1996-2013, other than the blip in 2003.
Just sayin...
We didn't suck in 2013, either.

alnorth 11-12-2015 08:18 PM
Not sure if anyone has already mentioned it yet, but Kendrys Morales won the silver slugger award at AL DH

SAUTO 11-12-2015 08:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11878949)
We didn't suck in 2013, either.
No one would have wanted to see us that year either, had we made the playoffs.

We were on fire to end the season

SAUTO 11-12-2015 08:28 PM
All star break on actually

cosmo20002 11-12-2015 08:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11878949)
We didn't suck in 2013, either.
That's right, I meant 2012.

ChiefsCountry 11-12-2015 09:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 11878900)
Losing Simmons is going to be a huge PR blow for the Braves, but they've built a great collection of pitching prospects. Basically what the Cubs did with position players with Bryant, Soler, Russell, etc, etc... that's what the Braves are with pitching.

They've already got Teheran and Shelby Miller at the big league level, with Matt Wisler, Foltynewicz, Max Fried, Lucas Sims, Touki Toussaint, Kolby Allard, Mike Soroka, Manny Banuelos, Tyrell Jenkins, and now Sean Newcomb and Chris Ellis. They could field an entire pitching staff of prospects most teams fans would be chatting up as future frontline guys.
Braves are shedding payroll to pay for the new stadium and should have a rebuild started pretty good by the time it opens.

tk13 11-12-2015 09:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 11879054)
Braves are shedding payroll to pay for the new stadium and should have a rebuild started pretty good by the time it opens.
It's only one more year. I think that's why a lot of Braves fans are ticked. They were building for 2017, feels like this trade pushes it back a bit more. They might be more competitive in two years but probably not ready to hit the big time unless some of these young pitchers take off next year.

Reaper16 11-12-2015 09:27 PM
Getting to that new Braves stadium is going to be America's greatest traffic nightmare.

KChiefs1 11-12-2015 09:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11878865)
Why is Hosmer so sure to be gone? The guy is pretty average to this point in his career.

Scott Boras

BWillie 11-13-2015 01:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MeatRock (Post 11878832)
Many of us don't know how it feels and you were born in 1984? ROFL
What the **** ever.
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Great Expectations 11-13-2015 09:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 11878515)
Looks like Rany agrees with me that we should sell out for the next couple years.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I almost hope Alex Gordon gets a 6/$120M offer he can&#39;t refuse. Because if he gets 5/$80M and the Royals don&#39;t match, I&#39;ll be annoyed.</p>&mdash; Rany Jazayerli (@jazayerli) <a href="https://twitter.com/jazayerli/status/664907005203718145">November 12, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/dirkchatelain">@dirkchatelain</a> I&#39;d be comfortable with 5/$80 or 6/$90. When you consider the explosion in revenue I could be convinced for 5/$85 or 6/$96.</p>&mdash; Rany Jazayerli (@jazayerli) <a href="https://twitter.com/jazayerli/status/664909383701278720">November 12, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">And given that the roster will be devastated by free agency in 2 years, I&#39;m okay with overpaying in 2018-20 for a good player in 2016-17.</p>&mdash; Rany Jazayerli (@jazayerli) <a href="https://twitter.com/jazayerli/status/664914654255255553">November 12, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Rany's takes on the Royals have been dead wrong over the last 3 years.

Saul Good 11-13-2015 09:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 11878515)
Looks like Rany agrees with me that we should sell out for the next couple years.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I almost hope Alex Gordon gets a 6/$120M offer he can&#39;t refuse. Because if he gets 5/$80M and the Royals don&#39;t match, I&#39;ll be annoyed.</p>&mdash; Rany Jazayerli (@jazayerli) <a href="https://twitter.com/jazayerli/status/664907005203718145">November 12, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/dirkchatelain">@dirkchatelain</a> I&#39;d be comfortable with 5/$80 or 6/$90. When you consider the explosion in revenue I could be convinced for 5/$85 or 6/$96.</p>&mdash; Rany Jazayerli (@jazayerli) <a href="https://twitter.com/jazayerli/status/664909383701278720">November 12, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">And given that the roster will be devastated by free agency in 2 years, I&#39;m okay with overpaying in 2018-20 for a good player in 2016-17.</p>&mdash; Rany Jazayerli (@jazayerli) <a href="https://twitter.com/jazayerli/status/664914654255255553">November 12, 2015</a></blockquote>
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If Gordon will take 5/80 or 6/90, you do it in a heartbeat.

TomBarndtsTwin 11-13-2015 09:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11879391)
If Gordon will take 5/80 or 6/90, you do it in a heartbeat.
I would be okay with 4 years/ 80 mil. for Gordon. 4 years would be ideal. But 5 years for 80?

If someone gets Gordon for 5/80, then his agents not doing his job. Further, if he gets THAT contract and its not David Glass giving it out, then I think most Royals fan will become leery of Glass again and wonder if he really IS in it to win it or in it to make money . . . . .

Prison Bitch 11-13-2015 09:51 AM
Royals rotation, postseason:


16 G, 81.1 IP, 41 ER, 4.98 ERA. (Cueto 5.40)

Saul Good 11-13-2015 09:58 AM
Cueto had the meltdown in Toronto. He also had 2 amazing starts and one mediocre start.

He won two games for us by being dominant, lost one game for us by being terrible, and was kind of neutral in one game.

We almost certainly don't win the Series without him.

WhawhaWhat 11-13-2015 10:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 11879478)
Royals rotation, postseason:


16 G, 81.1 IP, 41 ER, 4.98 ERA. (Cueto 5.40)
Ok.

KCUnited 11-13-2015 10:28 AM
The price of success. Postseason ticket rights will not be available to 20-game STH's in 2016.

Bearcat 11-13-2015 10:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 11879571)
The price of success. Postseason ticket rights will not be available to 20-game STH's in 2016.
Not surprising, apparently a lot of people hated it this postseason since 3 of every 4 people assigned to a seat for a 20 pack had to be assigned something worse for the postseason... and they might run out of seats next season.

They could still give priority to those who have purchased them several years in a row, or set a limit, but I guess it's easier that way and creates less fake outrage.

KCUnited 11-13-2015 10:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 11879591)
Not surprising, apparently a lot of people hated it this postseason since 3 of every 4 people assigned to a seat for a 20 pack had to be assigned something worse for the postseason... and they might run out of seats next season.

They could still give priority to those who have purchased them several years in a row, or set a limit, but I guess it's easier that way and creates less fake outrage.
I got moved to worse seats for the postseason and gave 0 ****s. I was on the fence renewing anyway, but I can't justify being a 41 game plan owner living out of market. I was never trying to make anything, just pay for my plan and maybe sell a couple post season tickets to offset some of my travel expenses to the games I was able to attend. With ALCS tickets selling for face value the year we won the whole thing, I can't imagine they'll be difficult to get on a repeat run. Oh well, we won the World ****ing Series.

suzzer99 11-13-2015 11:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 11879375)
Rany's takes on the Royals have been dead wrong over the last 3 years.
This is dead wrong.

BigCatDaddy 11-13-2015 11:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11879506)
Cueto had the meltdown in Toronto. He also had 2 amazing starts and one mediocre start.

He won two games for us by being dominant, lost one game for us by being terrible, and was kind of neutral in one game.

We almost certainly don't win the Series without him.
Agreed but as a whole the rotation sucked this year and should be a priority. For some reason our "Ace" lost about 5MPH velocity in NY.

suzzer99 11-13-2015 11:53 AM
Starting pitchers are the most expensive thing to acquire. I am fine with spending the bulk of our money on Gordon and Zobrist and making due with spare parts in the starting rotation - then maybe trade for another ace at the deadline.

Saul Good 11-13-2015 12:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 11879722)
Starting pitchers are the most expensive thing to acquire. I am fine with spending the bulk of our money on Gordon and Zobrist and making due with spare parts in the starting rotation - then maybe trade for another ace at the deadline.
I agree. Re-upping with Young should be a huge priority. Volquez, Ventura, Duffy, Young, Medlen, Zimmer(?) should be plenty to get us to the postseason if we can keep Gordon and Zobrist. Orlando and Dyson can platoon in RF.

I think it's very doable under our current salary restrictions unless someone makes a huge offer for Alex or Ben.

WhawhaWhat 11-13-2015 01:40 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source: Kennedy REJECTING qualifying offer. Will remain free agent.</p>&mdash; Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/665246307724824576">November 13, 2015</a></blockquote>
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WhawhaWhat 11-13-2015 01:41 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Told nearly all of QO decisions made, a few could go to 5 pm ET deadline. One free agent who is still undecided: Brett Anderson.</p>&mdash; Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/665247897345114112">November 13, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Prison Bitch 11-13-2015 01:47 PM
Chris Young just seems like a house of cards. He will be 37, can't go more than 5 IP. The magic has to run out at some point. He's got Bruce Chen written all over him

noa 11-13-2015 01:49 PM
I feel the same way about Young. I think we should be focusing on finding the next guy to serve that role rather than pay an inflated price to bring him back.
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wazu 11-13-2015 02:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 11879375)
Rany's takes on the Royals have been dead wrong over the last 3 years.
Rany, the day of Game 7 last year: "It looks like the game could simply come down to which manager is more aggressive about pulling his starter and turning the game over to his immensely capable relievers."

Saul Good 11-13-2015 02:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 11879904)
Chris Young just seems like a house of cards. He will be 37, can't go more than 5 IP. The magic has to run out at some point. He's got Bruce Chen written all over him
Quote:
Originally Posted by noa (Post 11879911)
I feel the same way about Young. I think we should be focusing on finding the next guy to serve that role rather than pay an inflated price to bring him back.
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We can protect him by having him skip starts and only going 5-6 innings at a time. He's going to be cheap, and getting someone appreciably better is going to cost a few million more than he will.

If we can sign Gordon and Zobrist, I don't think our season is going to be decided by who our fifth starter is. We're going to dominate the division again, and Young can go back to the bullpen in the postseason.

We just won the WS after starting the season with Ventura, Volquez, Duffy, Vargas, and Guthrie as our rotation. They combined for 46 wins on the season.

wazu 11-13-2015 03:00 PM
I trust the Royals to do the whatever is best regarding Young. I do view him differently than Chen, though. So much talk about how hard it is for batters to see the ball against him. His style makes age less of a factor. Kind of like a knuckleballer.

tk13 11-13-2015 03:05 PM
The only catch is, and I've seen John Smoltz talk about this... we've been to the World Series two straight years. We've logged a lot of extra miles on Davis and Herrera's arms.

Dayton knows this though, and that's why he talked about getting more innings out of the starters next year. One, it's just smart. Two, I'm guessing Ned will be extra careful about resting our big bullpen guys early next year so we can make another run. We got by this year, but it'll probably be tough to win 2 years in a row getting less innings from the starters.

mikeyis4dcats. 11-13-2015 03:12 PM
I love Young being able to provide some longer relief, even if it's less often. I wouldn't back up the Brinks truck, but he should be affordable.

Halfcan 11-13-2015 03:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11878865)
Why is Hosmer so sure to be gone? The guy is pretty average to this point in his career.
Except for getting 3 straight Gold Gloves awards and being an RBI machine in the playoffs. :rolleyes:

Halfcan 11-13-2015 03:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11878705)
Rasmus back to the Astros


1 year/15.8 million
He should be able to buy some shampoo now.

That is a lot of money for a .225 hitting asshole.

BigCatDaddy 11-13-2015 03:38 PM
Are we worried Young may lose some velocity?

Fansy the Famous Bard 11-13-2015 03:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 11880150)
Are we worried Young may lose some velocity?
ROFL

Sure-Oz 11-13-2015 04:12 PM
@FlannyMLB: Alex Gordon has rejected the Royals' qualifying offer. #Royals

kstater 11-13-2015 04:24 PM
*** Official 2016 Royals Offseason Repository ***
 
Well duh. Even the royals knew he would.

Saul Good 11-13-2015 04:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 11880142)
Except for getting 3 straight Gold Gloves awards and being an RBI machine in the playoffs. :rolleyes:
I love new baseball fans. Welcome aboard.

suzzer99 11-13-2015 04:26 PM
Some executive was on MLB network saying Eric Hosmer would be his #1 choice to build a team around. Might have been qualified by position player, I don't remember.

Saul Good 11-13-2015 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 11880249)
Some executive was on MLB network saying Eric Hosmer would be his #1 choice to build a team around. Might have been qualified by position player, I don't remember.
I remember someone like A-Rod saying something like that off the cuff, and it's ridiculous.

Trout, Harper, and Correa would obviously be WAY ahead of Hosmer...along with at least 20 others.

Halfcan 11-13-2015 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11880247)
I love new baseball fans. Welcome aboard.
That is a very Average response.

Halfcan 11-13-2015 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11880254)
I remember someone like A-Rod saying something like that off the cuff, and it's ridiculous.

Trout, Harper, and Correa would obviously be WAY ahead of Hosmer...along with at least 20 others.
ROFL

Saul Good 11-13-2015 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 11880332)
ROFL
Without even getting into pitchers, off the top of my head...

Harper
Trout
Correa
Machado
Stanton
Betts
Sal Perez
Altuve
Heyward
Sano
Bryant
Rizzo
Kiermaier

Halfcan 11-13-2015 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11880361)
Without even getting into pitchers, off the top of my head...

Harper
Trout
Correa
Machado
Stanton
Betts
Sal Perez
Altuve
Heyward
Sano
Bryant
Rizzo
Kiermaier
Not one on that list has as many postseason RBI's as Hosmer and only Salvy has 3 straight GG's. And which one has stolen home in the World Series and brought his team a title? None.

You are selling Hos way short. He has the heart of a lion. I think his best years are still to come. I hope he retires a Royal.

SAUTO 11-13-2015 05:15 PM
Who stole home in the world series?

Saul Good 11-13-2015 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 11880378)
Not one on that list has as many postseason RBI's as Hosmer and only Salvy has 3 straight GG's. And which one has stolen home in the World Series and brought his team a title? None.

You are selling Hos way short. He has the heart of a lion. I think his best years are still to come. I hope he retires a Royal.
I hope so too, but Gold Gloves at first base and career postseason RBIs are pretty damned far down the list of things I'm looking to build a team around.

Saul Good 11-13-2015 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 11880381)
Who stole home in the world series?
Nobody

Halfcan 11-13-2015 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11880385)
I hope so too, but Gold Gloves at first base and career postseason RBIs are pretty damned far down the list of things I'm looking to build a team around.
Well it has worked out pretty good for the Royals so far.

SAUTO 11-13-2015 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11880388)
Nobody
Thanks, I figured he didn't actually know what constitutes a stolen base. It IS halfwit posting...

Halfcan 11-13-2015 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11880388)
Nobody
Call it what you want-that was an amazing play. I still can't believe he ran, but I am glad he did. :clap:

SAUTO 11-13-2015 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 11880405)
Call it what you want-that was an amazing play. I still can't believe he ran, but I am glad he did. :clap:
Amazing play that was absolutely not a steal of home

CaliforniaChief 11-13-2015 05:38 PM
I fully expect the Angels to go after Alex Gordon. They desperately need a bat in left field, and his defense would be a bonus for them.

I'm still torn. It's not my money, so I'd love for them to get Gordon and Zobrist and an elite starter and more bullpen arms, but I know there's a limit. I'm just trying to figure out how much of that is my emotional attachment to Alex and who he's been vs. who he is and will be over the next 3-5 years.

GMDM nailed it with Billy, and I expect he'll do what's right by Alex.

MahiMike 11-13-2015 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 11880381)
Who stole home in the world series?
This guy!

Reaper16 11-13-2015 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 11880443)
I fully expect the Angels to go after Alex Gordon. They desperately need a bat in left field, and his defense would be a bonus for them.

I'm still torn. It's not my money, so I'd love for them to get Gordon and Zobrist and an elite starter and more bullpen arms, but I know there's a limit. I'm just trying to figure out how much of that is my emotional attachment to Alex and who he's been vs. who he is and will be over the next 3-5 years.

GMDM nailed it with Billy, and I expect he'll do what's right by Alex.
Gordon, Trout, Simmons *swoon*


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