Having the extra second, getting the comp third, and honestly people keep forgetting about the 4th and 7th coming back - all of that softens the blow.

It is true, actually - the Rams have a solid all-around roster. If Wentz blows up, then they're geniuses. I think people like this trade from the Titans' side because they don't have their eggs in one basket.

If ANY of those picks turn into a great player, then they did the right thing. They got a ton of value for a pick they didn't want. It's what we all wanted the Fisher year. And the Tyson Jackson year.

It's a genius move for the Rams, because they didn't do it the night before the draft. They did it two weeks before. They are THE talk of the NFL now, during, and after the draft. Brilliant PR move.

And they also have first crack at whoever they think is the best QB on the board. If I'm a Rams fan, I acknowledge the price tag, but I still want that Ferrari.

Just a hypothetical but I wonder what the Rams would have been willing to give up for Joe Flacco in comparison to what they're giving up for Wentz or Goff because it seems the same talent level with added NFL experience.</br></br>Note: hypothetical.

Flacco is 31, coming off an ACL tear and may not be ready to start the season.

That seems like a Bandaid and not a long term solution for the youngest team in the NFL that will play their games in the NFL Crown Jewel of a football stadium.

Wentz/Goff have a chance to own LA, especially since Kobe retired.

Understood. It's just a relative scenario to throw out there to put the all variables in perspective IMHO. I thought Josh McNown and Jake Plummer were the next great guys if it puts my football knowledge into perspective.</br></br>I really think the situation you land into as a QB is not taken into account enough and the lions share is placed on the player. Good luck Goff (from what I've read it's going to be Goff) you've got a hell of a chance at being great.

And yet this sound logic can never, ever ever ever be applied to; oh **** it.

Let the hate flow Sweets

I just find it ironic that McCloud laid out, not for note, beat for beat, the exact same situation as He Who Shall Not Be Named.

But hey, if that's what works for the Chiefs and they are happy, who am I to judge or care?

But we have a number one over all QB!

Indeed you do. Go forth and conquer!

Some of you guys are simply inconsolable LMAO

Well the Chiefs are loaded so don't see why not. An inferior Broncos team wonit all for ****s sake.

**** that. After last year's draft I have hope.

Also note that after our best draft under Dorsey we have our first playoff win 20+ years...

I'm right there with ya, the arrow is pointing straight up for this team whether its Smith or the young hotshot from Stud State under center

Also consider that we should have swept Denver if not for stupid decisions by Andy.

Had we won the game @Arrowhead we would have won the division and home field throughout.

Denver would not have beaten us at home last year. I don't know if we would have made the SB or not but Den wouldn't have gone...

The awesome power of Dorsey alone should guarantee you several play off wins. He's easily the best thing the Chiefs have had in the FO since the glory days of the 60's.

The awesome power of Dorsey alone can not overcome all obstacles, unfortunately.

The awesome power of your own stupidity belies the claim that you don't care.

It's just a conversation. There is no "care factor".

It's glorious.

Yep, he is easily the best thing to happen to this franchise since the beginning of my fandom

The guy has a rock solid blueprint and he sticks to it, he always seems to be thinking 2-3 moves ahead and is building this team the right way... its a LOT like Green Bay or Pittsburgh, with the exception that he is also willing to make the occasional big free agent splash

As far as QB, admittedly few are gaga over Bray or Murray as the future and most would prefer to go all in on a true #1... but he IS treating the position the right way as far as bringing them in as rookies and grooming them long term

They may not be #1 picks, but they ARE homegrown

If you don't care why even have the conversation?...

I have yet to see any real evidence of Bray's "growth."

Why even talk at all? I'll just sit here and project my thoughts through the ether!

Or check out some of that VR porn.

That's some crazy $hizzle right there...

I get where you're coming from, but as smart as we know Dorsey to be... theres gotta be a reason he has been kept around all these years

I wasn't super duper excited about his first 2 years but last year he knocked it out of the park.

I think Bray being on the roster is due to him having a few years in the system and us not about to pay Buttchin...

I'm fairly certain the method is as follows:

Murray is next man up, and Bray will be competing with whichever low risk/ high upside/ dude that slid down the board-QB they draft next.

You have to consider; the Chiefs will never be drafting in the top 10 again.

And let's assume Dorsey puts together the greatest ****ing squad that ever put on pads, Smithy is getting ready to retire, and Andrew Luck II or whomever makes you fap is sitting right there at the top.

Do you view Dorsey pulling a "Rams"?

Yeah, me neither.

He's looking for Rodgers in round two.

I don't think he should and I don't think he has to.

If we're in the top 5 pull the trigger. If we're not I don't think we need to trade the farm to move up there.

Even a can't-miss prospect like Luck is starting to regress and become a turnover machine. RGIII can't stay healthy and doesn't look that great after year 1.

If anything I'd look at trading a future 3rd/4th for someone like Petty or Glennon to improve that no 2 spot...

:hmmm: Mmm..I don't know, man. If you're going to improve the #2, you should probably be doing it in the draft, unless you're looking to augment that pick by introducing competition, which is always a good thing.

To your point, Bray doesn't seem to be providing much competition. Has that dude even cracked the legitimate roster yet?

Petty and Glennon both have top shelf arms.

Glennon has starting experience.

Both offer much better upside than Bray with none of the baggage and make QB2 money.

Bray has been an IR jockey...

Yeah, that's not good. The dudes under Smith should be duking it out, every day, every year.

Why would the Jets, who don't have a starting QB, trade Bryce Petty when they drafted him in the 4th last year?

I understand that Andy loves mediocre arms and guys that can scramble but if we can trade for a guy with NFL experience who can make all the throws (without any baggage) for a mid-round pick I'd be all for it.

:rolleyes:

Cowher didn't **** up Rapistburgher

I'm not a fan of the QB crop this year.

Even less a fan of talent considered to be less than 1st round.

No one can put forth a legit argument for why Bray is even on the team other than his time here and the loss of Daniel.

I said LIKE those QB's...

Do you know who's "like" Petty or Glennon?

Aaron Murray.

Except he was a more accomplished college QB.

In what way?

Never winning a conference championship or a bowl game.

This is true...

Didn't Murray have over 50 starts in his college career? Not bad for a guy in the SEC. If he didn't blow his knee his senior year, he could have easily gone in the second or third round, and might even have a starter's role somewhere. He's all we need at the #2 QB.

Talking Can needs to chime in here. He's a Georgian and follows UGA pretty closely, iirc.

You aren't impressed with his years on injured reserve?

Murray got better each year. He was thought to be a 1st round pick (possibly) before he blew out his knee.

I'd like to see what he's got at some point. Here in GA he's damn near royalty.

The biggest reason for that now coaches in Miami.

And Andy loves mediocre arms.

Idiot.

As I said; he's the model.

Texans just released Hoyer

Murray's size would had kept him out of Thursday, but he had Day 2 potential before the knee.

I always thought he took a lot of unnecessary shit because Richt couldn't seal the deal in a big game. Although it is humorous that the receiver who was apart of the major choke at the end of the SECCG, iirc, was Chris Conley.

Are you kidding?

If Bray is on the roster next season then Aaron is ****ing up, and Bray is crushing it

Jets could try to use Mo Wilkerson to trade into top 10 and get Paxton Lynch. Could easily see this happening.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-jet...er-quarterback

They'll **** up Lynch if they trade up for him. Lynch absolutely needs to sit for a year.

Idk how that trade would work honestly. The Jets would have to trade ahead of SF if they want Lynch. Browns and Jags seem like the only option due to cap space. I sont think either team would trade down that far unless you sweeten the deal with something like two 2nd Rd picks to go with Wilkerson.

Doesn't seem likely to me but anything could happen.

Since Wilkerson is under the franchise tag that brings up questions.
Has Wilkerson signed the tag? Can the team lift the tag currently, I know there are windows that the players and teams have to work within.
This dude is looking for a huge payday so it seems to be very constrictive to where he would be able to even be traded even thought they can "massage" the first couple of years at a lower cap number.

Wilkerson hasn't signed the tender so he can't be traded.

If the Jets rescinded the tag, he'd automatically become a free agent, so that's not happening.

Or, they'll keep Bray around as 3rd string because his contract goes that long, while Murray is the primary backup

What's the point? He's dead weight, if he can't be justified a legit backup and possible starter.

Hackenberg,Cook, Prescott should be the next man up if KC isn't targeting Lynch,

Hackenberg is garbage

****ed up position in Penn State, needs to get his confidence rebuilt in the right situation.

He's inaccurate as ****.

If there's one thing that any good QB coach will tell you is that accuracy can't be fixed.

He was on target in the Pin Stripe Bowl against WV as a Sophomore. He was thrown around like a rag doll because he had no O-Line help in his Junior year which developed bad habits.

Remember, there were many poster having a big ole circle jerk before the start of last season where he was the #1 overall prospect.

Why is he still on the team to begin with? And what's the stop the Chiefs from continuing to keep him around?

Not every ****ing QB has to be a pet project to turn into the next great starter. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and a flawed QB is just a flawed QB.

You're going way overboard on Bray. The Chiefs HAVE kept him around in spite of him showing the team nothing to convince them that he's a reliable backup, so why wouldn't they continue that path, especially if he's cheap and they don't have to spend another draft pick on a QB?

I'm not saying they SHOULDN'T draft another QB. I'm saying that just because Bray is on the roster next year doesn't mean shit about what Murray is or is not with the team.

Why waste time on a QB that will be out league, because he isn't getting it? There isn't any justification for that whatsoever. You always look for the next possible starter because QB's are the ultimate currency if you have one or not.

Okay, it's been a long day and I'm bored.

Lucy?

'splain.

Bray beginning this season is at the 4 year mark, and was a UDFA. The Chiefs owe him nothing, while Murray a player who was heralded as a 1st round talent who couldn't attain the 2nd string spot some time in the season when he was fully recovered from his injury.

If Tyler is getting it at the most rudimentary level like Favre then he is the heir apparent because when comes to talent Bray can make throws that Alex and Aaron can only dream about.

Like Favre if or when he makes a bonehead read, Bray can make up for it on the very next drive because of said talent.

With all the shit going against Bray with no draft pick investment,the upcoming 2016 Draft, The NFL average career being 3.3 years, and someone who has a pick invested in him if Tyler's still around then he must be kicking ass behind the scenes and Murray must not be on course in his development.

If Bray gets it we'll be sitting pretty, and if not cut his ass he had his chance.

JFC just shut the **** up dude

Intriguing, intriguing....

well, may as well name the place; Rams planet, considering all the threads lately

It's not "intriguing"' it's completely illogical.

Tyler Bray has NEVER taken a snap during a regular season practice.

Zero, zip, nada.

He was on the practice squad for two seasons then spent last year on IR.

If he's not on the 53 to start the season, the Chiefs owe him nothing. If he makes he 53, he'll receive less than league minimum and they can cut him without owing him a penny at any point in the season.

His presence on the roster has zero to due with Aaron Murray.

The inexplicable love for Bray is something that no words can justify, no stat can quantify, and no fact can nullify.

TW is a Jamaican lady who knows your future. Call today.

I thought he was IRed his second season, and placed on non football injury list his third.

He's hardly taken snaps in camp and preseason since his rookie year, much less regular season, but he's somehow crushing it in dipshit's imaginary world.

You're right. I'd forgotten the details.

I'm not sure how it's even possible that he has proven anything.

At this point in time, he's the luckiest bastard the Chiefs have ever signed. The guy has earned more than $750k in the past three years for attending meetings.

Murray will be the starter in 2 years folks

LMAO Come on man, the Bray Files are chock full of exciting theories, aliens, and cover ups!

Yep.

And his successor will be a 3rd round-down guy too. Eh, the Chiefs may possibly pick up a 2nd rounder. Depends on where they're at in the pecking order.