I was just thinking that if they wanted to ever get away from Brie Larson they could always just introduce Rogue to the MCU.

You know, if I was a nerd guy who had been shat upon by girls all my life (ignored in grade school, demeaned in high school, never dated much, etc., etc.), I think I might hold a grudge against females. After all, you know you want one of your own but they're beyond your reach. And they've treated you like crap since the day you were born. It would be "danged flustrating" (Herm voice).

So what do you have? Life diversions like video games and comic books ... and probably lots of internet porn.

Then, some giant company comes along and appears to take away one of the few things that you can call "your own" by expanding their market into other demographics. It's hurtful, so you lash out via social media (where no one can kick your wimpy, fat, lazy ass). It's terribly sad in a way.

What we need to figure out is how to get these nerd guys laid.

FAX

You're kinda talking out of your ass. Carol Danvers has been Captain Marvel all the way back to as early as, get this, 2012. To try and put her following on the level of Ironman is ****ing ridiculous.

Again, the length of her existence is not the point I'm making. Ant Man's been around since the 40s or whatever but apparently you had no problem with that comparison.

The point I'm making is that she does have a fanbase. She is currently a B level player, and who knows if that's where she'll always be. Iron Man was a B level player the Marvel universe for a fair amount of time. Some people thought Marvel was desperate for making an Iron Man film. But then RDJ signed on and the film ****ing destroyed.

Google incels some time, just make sure you've got time to take a shower afterwards because it is unseemly.

I would say Antman probably has more of a following than Captain Marvel. There's nothing wrong with introducing new characters. Especially if they are really good characters. They will become popular. But you are just spouting off about shit you know absolutely nothing about and acting like a ****ing authority on the subject.

\And if you considered Ironman a B level character, which was only in comparison to Spiderman and X-Men, btw, Captain Marvel probably would come in at a D or F level. That's not saying she is a bad character, that is totally debatable. It's just putting her popularity in relation to pre-RDJ Ironman.

If you actually had a point, it would be relevant to it.

Could be a second-cousin.

A) I don't really know what I'm talking about. I had comics in the early 90s; had my favorites for 5-6 years and then found other stuff to do. I'm not a hardcore comic fan. That said, I did also speak inartfully when I said she doesn't have a following 'to speak of'. Meaning mostly that I meant it in relative terms. If that wasn't clear, it probably could've been.

Now B) Precisely because of the the above, I can say that your Iron Man comparison is a pretty bad one. I absolutely knew who Iron man was. He was a pretty top end character, especially as a solo shop rather than an ensemble. I had no earthly idea who Captain Marvel was.

Id' say I'm pretty precisely the dividing line in identifying a 'fringe character' vs a fairly major one. I knew of any/all major comic book characters to be part of major motion pictures up until Ant Man (wait...maybe Guardians; did they come before Ant-man? Whatever).

I suspect I'm not alone here and my point is precisely to point out that this idea that we're supposed to be galled if people don't flock to see a movie just because a B level Marvel figure is helming it is silly. Ant Man was projected to open at $60 million. This movie's projected at 2-3 times that despite the fact that the main character is of similar repute among the population writ large (which is to say, no cultural cache among the general populace at all).

This is a throwaway property being propped up precisely because Marvel wants a strong female lead. Alright, fine - do that. It makes business sense. But don't expect me to care. If the movies good, I'll see it - Ant Man was awesome and more critically it was a needed infusion of light fare in an increasingly heavy MCU. You can argue that a female lead is needed in an increasingly male MCU as well - again, that's fine. But the movie had better be good on its own merits.

I think your source is incredibly biased. The Carol Danvers version of Captain Marvel has only been around for ~6 years. She's not even the most famous Captain Marvel. Danvers spent much more time as Ms. Marvel. She also held several other superhero names as well(Binary, Warbird). I never found her very interesting in the comics...

If Ant-Man has a following more prominent than the Carol Corps, I've completely missed it. Seriously. Ant-Man has been around for decades but I've never known him as anything other than a bit player in the comics and nonexistent in popular culture. What are you basing that off of?

Iron Man is an A level character now, but he was relatively obscure in the 90s. That's of course not to bash the character at all, and I'm not alone in that assessment.

My point was that she has a following, and anybody claiming otherwise is wrong.

Didn't think that was a complicated issue.

I disagree with parts in here but it's all fine. The last paragraph is a bit off, though. With Chris Evans and RDJ fading into the background, you can expect Captain Marvel and Spider-Man to lead the way forward in the MCU until the X-men inevitably arrive. This is not a throwaway, it's a new normal.

Captain Marvel will probably do well at the box office, which means we'll see a CM2, and prominent roles in Avengers films.

And I agree -- I need it to be a good movie to enjoy myself, too. But Captain America 1 was hardly great, and he went on to have a couple of the best MCU movies ever after that, so let's not pretend like the future of MCU Female Leads depends on this one being excellent. (Not that you're making that argument.)

Carol Danvers has been around as a character for decades. The Captain Marvel version I think has as well. I haven't read many Captain Marvel stories myself.

Your 'point' is pointless. Even things that are the biggest piles of shit in their categories have followings. Without discussing the size of the followings, the enthusiasm of the followings, the reasons behind the followings, etc..., you're not doing anything but talking out of your ass.

I'm ready for this movie to be out so we can stop discussing Brie Larson's ass and whether Captain Marvel is equivalent to Iron Man or Ant Man and actually start talking about whether the movie sucks. :)

Ironman has never been an obscure character. He has always been a member/leader of the Avengers and pretty much always had a solo book on top of that. These were not obscure. They almost always sold well. When people called him a B-level character, they were comparing him to the popularity of Spiderman and the X-men which were wildly popular and had many many simultaneous comic book titles and many reboots in television and film because of that popularity. And Ironman was barely behind that mass popularity. To try and claim Captain Marvel has ever been on the same level of recognizability or popularity as Ironman is ****ing dumbfounding.

Ant Man might be a more apt comparison, but he was also a member of the avengers, and the avengers are not some scrub unknown group. And during the 90's comic resurgence, had a solo book that did pretty well. He was also known from a few Saturday morning Avengers cartoon series. Also went by the name Yellowjacket for a while. It's at least in the ballpark with Captain Marvel recognizability and popularity. In my opinion, more so, but, It's not a hill I'm prepared to die on.

I vote for more talk on this issue

You can't talk about something that doesn't exist. :shake::shake::shake:

When did Ironman become a B level character?

Except she was always an explicitly feminist character. That's why she was Ms. Marvel.

Thanos snapped it away.

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Uhhh, he absolutely was prior to RDJ and the MCU.

Iron Man was never in the same ballpark as Spider-Man, Superman, the Hulk, or Batman.

Edit: Again, people forget that making a movie about him was widely seen as a silly risk by Marvel.

wut

the character was created in 1967

It’s almost like fictional characters evolve to fit their era.

Technically, the character of Captain Marvel was created in 67, but that was the male alien Mar-vell, not Carol Danvers. Danvers has been around that long, but she went by Ms. Marvel/Binary/Warbird. There were then 5 other people who took the role Captain Marvel between Mar-vell and Danvers. Not until 2012 did Danvers take over the Captain Marvel title.

LMAO
You are one strange bird.

because tony stark isn't a womanizing alcoholic jackass with a heart of gold in the iron man movies

wait what

And when Feminist Danvers meets Playboy Tony Stark in the movies, Pepper is going to poison her wine.

FAX

All I know is, I better not see Clinton, Warren, Cortez or Pelosi in Captain Marvel suits anytime soon.

Then I will become enraged and MAGA.

That's all any of us really knows.

FAX

Carol Danvers actually began her comic career as the girlfriend of the original Captain Marvel, Mar-vell. Then later got mysteriously kidnapped and raped by an unknown alien and forced to give birth to that alien's baby like 2 days later. Who then turns out to be the alien that impregnated her. Seriously...

EDIT: Found it. Danvers Gave Birth to Her Own Rapist

https://www.cbr.com/things-that-turn...er-own-rapist/

He’s a one woman man by literally the end of the first movie.

Might want to pick another character. There’s no shortage of them in pop culture.

Because?

Her mythology is aaaaaaaaall over the place.

Because that's exactly the sort of bullshit comic book movies shouldn't be perpetrating.

Bullshit.

You are dancing all around it.

Come out and say it.

What, EXACTLY, is the bullshit they shouldn’t be peddling.

Social agendas.

He’s drunk and flirting with women for like 2 minutes of Iron Man 2 before Rhodey takes him on. Romanov turns him on a bit by design in Iron Man 2, and even then he’s committed to Pepper. And the only womanizing he does in Iron Man 3 is a flashback.

I’ve seen these movies like 1,000 times. It’s basically all I do with my life.

Feminism.

Am I wrong?

The bullshit surrounding this movie is not feminism.

It's an absurd, twisted caricature of it.

I was correcting a wrong statement by someone else.

Explain.

Earth, Hitler, 1938

A talented escape artist, you are not. Man up your argument, or stick to drive-by gifs.

Speaking of Rhodey "War Machine"..... Yeah.... he hooked up with Carol Danvers in the comics.... along with Wolverine... and Wonder Man...

it's bedtime

i'm going to dream of captain planet, a real superhero

Goddamn you are dull.

So...are the movies canon now? I'm saying that if I see an event in the Ms. Marvel movie, is that the accepted way it happened?

All BS aside, movie was very meh. It's not Iron Man3 or Thor: Dark World level bad, but it probably ranks just above that. Not good.

Larson didnt do a very good job selling the character at all. Dialogue and acting was awful, even for a comic book flick.

Best parts of movie were SLJ (Fury) and the cat. And if this is supposed to be MCU strongest super hero, you cant have its supporting characters stealing the show if this is the direction MCU is going.

Wouldnt be surprised if Larson is re-casted by someone else to play Cpt Marvel going forward. It wasnt a good job. Felt kind of forced.

Larson may have won awards in the past, but it just felt that shes just an actress "trying" to play a superhero, if that makes sense. And supposedly Disney execs arent too happy with her performance either. It was a very Megan Fox-ish like performance. Shes hot, but the character just sucked.

I highly doubt she gets recast. If they try to boot her she calls foul and Disney and Marvel are labeled sexist. It wouldnt happen. Unless they gave her roles in every Star Wars movie for the next decade.

I thought it was OK. There were scenes that resonated with me and the fights were done well enough. The only 'grrrrl power' thing that annoyed me was:





Any other 'grrrl power' stuff that went on is pretty much what you should expect from a story about the character. I also didn't like their use of flashbacks. It made the plot choppy and disjointed to me from time to time. It just wasn't elegant storytelling. I feel like there was a better way to put the story together.


I'm also not sold on the actress, Larsen. She wasn't shitty at it but just lacked charisma. I'll compare it to Wonder Woman; Gal Gadot grabbed my attention every time she was on the screen. Not just because she was hot but because she has this undeniable charisma. It helped carry the movie. Larsen doesn't have that.

On the other hand, though, this character is a lot more interesting than Super Man even with Larsen.

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It's pretty clear at this point that review aggregators are going to be useless for this one. I'm not sure it really matters, though. If you're an MCU fan, you'll see it. If not, you won't.

This is going to be the new normal for whatever movie comes out as long as the actors or the subject matter deal with anything politically motivated.

That's accurate. Although, as in the comics, there may be occasionally contradictions and it'll just be up to future films to resolve those however they want.

For the record, it is Captain Marvel, but there is a series for a different Marvel character called Ms. Marvel that has a cult following.

I think it was a one-off, though.

Yea, I'll never understand why people would go to RT to determine whether they want to see a movie or not. The movie either interests you, or it doesn't. I'm going to wait to see this one until next week when things won't be so crowded.

:facepalm:

Ms Marvel is still on going and has multiple books. I've read it and enjoyed it alot. Feige has said she could have her own movie or appearance in the mcu in the future. She's been on the Avengers and Champions teams

Everything changed when our main theater switched to reserved seats. I used to never go to movies when they opened because I didn't want to deal with getting there early to get a good seat. Now, I'll show up about 5 minutes before, walk to my seat that I reserved weeks ago, and relax. :)

I tried so hard to like the movie but just couldn't. The whole movie just reminded me of Green Lantern. The whole men always kept me down girl power was so over the top. The 2 main female leads were very poorly acted and was forced.

When the best character of the whole movie is a cat then you got some major problems. This movie coming after Infinity Wars is a travesty compared to that movie. If Marvel next generation is with her leading the way I will be saving my money on seeing those movies.

It's fantastic...I love that more main theaters have this option and order tix online

For almost every movie, we used to drive the 40 minutes over to Wichita to watch in a decent theater because ours was horrible. About 3 years ago, someone bought the theater here and did a complete redo of it. They took out half of the seats and made every chair the big cushy reclining ones, made all seats to reserved, and added alcohol to the menu. No reason to drive that 40 minutes now. So I show up 7 minutes before so I can get a beer or mixed drink and head on it.

If nothing else, I'll see this movie because I have to see what the **** is up with this cat everyone keeps talking about. :)

For the record ....:)

Ah ha.

Yeah, she's been very popular. I hear it's well written, though I haven't read it myself.

The animation has looked pretty strong, though.

To be fair Samuel L. Jackson tries his hardest to make this movie respectable. Him and the cat make a good team for a little comedic relief. Everyone else in this movie just wasn't good. I am a Jude Law fan and even he was terrible. I don't know if it was the script or the acting.

It's very popular and has had great writers. I do hope she gets a movie in the future esp so my daughter can see it. There are rumors she could first show up on a Captain Marvel sequel.

Also you do not need to see this movie before End Game. You learn nothing new that will matter at all in the plot other than Captain Marvel will be in that movie. Which has already been confirmed with the end credits of Infinity War.

I keep hearing Ben Mendelsohn was great.

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I don't see Captain Marvel or Ms Marvel on the list.

He does the best with the role he was given. Can't really complain about any scene he was in. The movie doesn't have any major plot holes or anything that stands out saying this is terrible. It just all seems forced. They really wanted to make a girl power movie.

Thanks for the heads up ! Will be skipping Captain Marvel . Hyped for Endgame .

I just hope they don’t **** up Endgame.

I'm pretty confident in Endgame. The script was pretty much written in conjunction with Infinity War. The directors are the same. It'll be good as long as it's not like Marvel shows up and just saves the day, and I haven't gotten the impression that will be the case from the previews at least.

This ..that said if you hate Captain Marvel or the actor then I'm guessing future mceu movies won't be for you. I keep hearing she will be the next one to lead the way. We'll see.

I am a fan of Marvel, but I won't be seeing this one due to the BS associated with it.

I mostly agree with this. The plot was VERY disjointed, all starting from the very beginning. Movie probably should have started with Benning's character and her work re: Project Pegasus.

100% agree with you on Larsens lack of charisma.

On another point...the villian in this film is very underwhelming. I mean I get why it had to be that way given the story etc...but I was like ..."wow so that's it?"

What I really need to know is if the post credit scenes are worth staying for.