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Chief Northman 03-22-2019 11:34 AM

The Jacksonville Jaguars select, Erik McCoy, C/G, Texas A&M

The Jaguars continue to re-shape their OL with anticipated departures from Shatley and Cann. McCoy gives them a tough pivot with a fierce competitor's edge who could also move to Guard quite readily. His diversity is welcomed, and McCoy is a value pick at this point in the draft.

Sfeihc 03-22-2019 11:53 AM

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers select L.J. Collier, DE, TCU.

Carl Nassib is the starting DE for the Bucs. That would be great if the Bucs defense were a financial planning firm. Their other starting DE blew half his hand off with a roman candle. Improvement at the position is necessary.

Chief Northman 03-22-2019 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sfeihc (Post 14174338)
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers select L.J. Collier, DE, TCU.

Carl Nassib is the starting DE for the Bucs. That would be great if the Bucs defense were a financial planning firm. Their other starting DE blew half his hand off with a roman candle. Improvement at the position is necessary.

LOL. Nassib was a beauty on Hard Knocks.

but with regards to your Roman Candle reference..... - he'd be a great fit in KC.

staylor26 03-22-2019 12:07 PM

Collier is the guy I would have liked had we missed out on Omenihu. I prefer both over Ferguson.

Hoover 03-22-2019 12:27 PM

With the 72nd pick in the NFL Draft, The Denver Broncos select Michael Jordan C/G, Ohio State

Fits nicely into the Broncos who lack talent on the inside of the offensive line.

Hoover 03-22-2019 12:42 PM

PM Sent to Rain Man - hope he isn't out to sea...

DJ's left nut 03-22-2019 02:11 PM

Buffalo's GM's kinda friggen stoked about the draft board right now but has 2 guys at the clear top of it with 2 picks to go.

So he has two bottles of booze out right now, one of the champagne and one of them cheap whisky. C'mon Rainman, get in here so we can open one of these MFers up...

Rain Man 03-22-2019 02:37 PM

The Bengalis are working on our pick now. I wasn't out to sea, but I was at a funeral, so it wasn't really working well to scout through draft picks while they were doing the 21-gun salute and stuff.

Rain Man 03-22-2019 03:11 PM

If you're a follower of the late 60's and early 70's Bengals, you'll instantly recognize this large man as he climbs to the podium.

Yes, it's him! It's legendary Bengals Center Bob Johnson!

Bob was the first Cincinnati Bengal, drafted with the #2 overall pick in 1968. He played for 11 seasons with the Bengals, retired, and then came out of retirement for one last run in 1979 when the Bengals were felled by injuries. His 6th place finish in the Heisman Trophy voting in 1967 is a source of awe among modern centers and to this day his #54 is the only jersey that the Cincinnati Bengals have retired.

He steps to the podium.

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Rain Man 03-22-2019 03:24 PM

"As a longtime center, I recognize the value of a good defensive lineman," Bob says. So with that...

The Cincinnati Bengals select Chase Winovich, DE, Michigan.

Rain Man 03-22-2019 03:26 PM

Cincinnati recognizes that this is their third straight year of drafting a defensive end in Round 3, but Carlos Dunlap is getting older and we like having good competition at this roster spot.

Rain Man 03-22-2019 03:29 PM

Bob Johnson snaps the ball to the Boston Patriots via a PM, letting them know that they're up.

Bob Johnson refuses to call them the New England Patriots. Newfangled nicknames are just fads.

kccrow 03-22-2019 03:41 PM

With the 74th pick, acquired from Detroit, the New England Patriots select Max Scharping, OT, Northern Illinois.

Bill likes tough white-boy tackles that are stellar pass blockers. Scharping is one of the best pass blockers in this draft.

DJ's left nut 03-22-2019 03:53 PM

While disappointed to see Winovich go off the board, the Buffalo war room never really thought he'd make it past NE anyway. But their #2 pick stayed firmly in place as they take:

Michael Deiter - G, Wisconsin

DJ's left nut 03-22-2019 03:59 PM

SNR has a PM

RealSNR 03-22-2019 04:48 PM

The Green Bay Packers select Evan Worthington, S, Colorado

Can someone PM the next dude?

htismaqe 03-22-2019 05:28 PM

The Washington Redskins select Nate Davis, OG, Charlotte.

htismaqe 03-22-2019 05:30 PM

charges asked me to pick for him again.

The Carolina Panthers select Oshane Ximines, Edge, Old Dominion

The Franchise 03-22-2019 07:24 PM

The Miami Dolphins select Conner McGovern, OG, Penn State

Rain Man 03-22-2019 08:27 PM

Chicago Bears fans are on the edge of their seats as their first selection approaches.

BossChief 03-22-2019 09:26 PM

The Atlanta Falcons select Mike Weber, RB, Ohio St

Marco Polo 03-22-2019 09:35 PM

Btw, I don't have the Giants so I don't have pick 96

BossChief 03-22-2019 09:45 PM

Also, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to see Mike Weber be a guy KC takes in the third.

The Franchise 03-22-2019 10:17 PM

The Cleveland Browns select David Long, CB, Michigan

RealSNR 03-22-2019 10:56 PM

The Minnesota Vikings select Elgton Jenkins, C, Mississippi State

They're currently attempting to re-sign Brett Jones. GM RealSNR in this timeline chooses not to waste money on Jones and instead finds a much better player on a rookie contract to take over the position for years to come.

The Vikings need to somehow construct a super team in order for Cousins to be successful. Not re-signing someone like Brett Jones is a small step in that direction by at least building up a suitable offensive line for Cousins to work in.

RealSNR 03-22-2019 11:04 PM

Marco Polo has been PM'd. Clock is also officially in "go **** itself" mode.

Marco Polo 03-23-2019 08:32 AM

The Tennessee Titans select Kaden Smith, TE, Stanford.

chiefscafan 03-23-2019 11:00 AM

The Pittsburgh Steelers select Justice Hill, RB, Oklahoma State

John Conner and Jaylen Samuels are two certain types of RB , but what Steelers are missing is the home run threat Hill is just that. Too Small to be everydown back however they said the same thing bout Jamal Charles who knows.

BossChief 03-23-2019 12:22 PM

The Seattle Seahawks select Ryan Finley, QB, NC St.

Rumors swirling they might trade Russel rather than pay him and this is the last year of his deal. Finley is a guy that could take over and play well, if needed.

TambaBerry 03-23-2019 02:04 PM

the Baltimore Ravens select Amani Hooker S Iowa

kccrow 03-23-2019 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 14175906)
The Seattle Seahawks select Ryan Finley, QB, NC St.

Rumors swirling they might trade Russel rather than pay him and this is the last year of his deal. Finley is a guy that could take over and play well, if needed.

****. LOL. Was most certainly on my Pats draft board for their next pick. Now it's mostly scraps at the position. Looks like Brady better iron man it for another year.

CoMoChief 03-23-2019 04:22 PM

Houston Texans select Andy Isabella, WR, UMass


*Texans GM needs a backup plan when/if Fuller gets inj again. Should Fuller be able to stay healthy, my goodness...those 3 WR's on the field together gonna tear some defenses apart.

Coogs 03-23-2019 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14170048)
The paramedics finally kick the door in to the Chiefs draft room, expecting to find the body of Brett Veach after calls have gone un-returned through the entire draft.

Instead they find only a hungover GM and a slew of empty liquor bottles. After waiving smelling salts and fresh coffee under his nose, he mumbles....

"Goddammit Tyreek...stop sticking your dick in cra...what, what? Where am I?"

Reid: "You're in Nasvhille and we're on the clock..."

"****!"

Veach runs into the draftroom and looks at his draft board.

".........."
{lights self on fire, runs screaming from room, Reid chases}

Spags picks up a pen and a notecard. Bienemy does the same. Both furiously scribbling they run towards the podium to drop it off. Their feet get tangled and two cards fly through the air, one flutters hopelessly to the ground, the other lands at the feet of a thoroughly confused NFL commissioner.

Goodell picks up the card at his feet and makes the announcement.

"With the 29th pick in the NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select..."

Garrett Bradbury, C - NC State

And nobody smiles.

ROFL I literally had tears running out of my eyes reading this! :clap::clap::clap:

Mother****erJones 03-23-2019 05:35 PM

Great pick CoMoChief. Love Isabella in this draft

Rain Man 03-23-2019 05:57 PM

Bill Murray steps to the podium, then feints back, grinning and pointing at Roger Goodell.

CoMoChief 03-23-2019 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 14176290)
Great pick CoMoChief. Love Isabella in this draft

yeah I REALLY hope the Chiefs draft him...he'd be sick with Hill, Kelce, Watkins.

doubt he lasts to rd3 though

Rain Man 03-23-2019 06:25 PM

https://img.culturacolectiva.com/con...ill-murray.png

Boom chug a lug a luga Boom chug a lug a luga boom!

Goodell: Where the hell have you been, Chicago?
Bill Murray: Traaaaaaading, sir!
Bears fans: Trading, sir!

Goodell: What kind of trading, son?
Bill Murray: Draaaaaaaft pick trading, sir!
Bears fans: Draft pick trading, sir!

Goodell: Where's your quarterback, men?
Bill Murray: Arrowheeeeead, sir!
Bears fans: Arrowhead, sir!

Chris Berman: Uhh, yes, sir, these are Matt Nagy's men. John Fox traded up to take Mitch Trubisky and left Patrick Mahomes on the table.

Goodell: I see. So am I to understand you men are going forward without Patrick Mahomes?
Bill Murray: Tha's the fact, Jack!
Bears fans:: That's the fact, Jack!

Goodell: You're going to need a lot of help, then. Who are you taking?

Bill Murray:

The Chicago Bears select Miles Sanders, RB, Penn State!

Rain Man 03-23-2019 06:29 PM

And for the next draft pick, who you gonna call! Chiefs-ca-fan!

PM sent.

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chiefscafan 03-23-2019 07:48 PM

The Detroit Lions select Damien Harris, RB , Alabama

staylor26 03-23-2019 08:08 PM

The Indianapolis Colts select Sean Bunting, CB, Central Michigan

O.city 03-23-2019 09:14 PM

You guys are all clueless about the draft

My god I should have given lessons for money on how to mock draft

Willie Lanier 03-23-2019 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 14176365)
https://img.culturacolectiva.com/con...ill-murray.png

Boom chug a lug a luga Boom chug a lug a luga boom!

Goodell: Where the hell have you been, Chicago?
Bill Murray: Traaaaaaading, sir!
Bears fans: Trading, sir!

Goodell: What kind of trading, son?
Bill Murray: Draaaaaaaft pick trading, sir!
Bears fans: Draft pick trading, sir!

Goodell: Where's your quarterback, men?
Bill Murray: Arrowheeeeead, sir!
Bears fans: Arrowhead, sir!

Chris Berman: Uhh, yes, sir, these are Matt Nagy's men. John Fox traded up to take Mitch Trubisky and left Patrick Mahomes on the table.

Goodell: I see. So am I to understand you men are going forward without Patrick Mahomes?
Bill Murray: Tha's the fact, Jack!
Bears fans:: That's the fact, Jack!

Goodell: You're going to need a lot of help, then. Who are you taking?

Bill Murray:

The Chicago Bears select Miles Sanders, RB, Penn State!

This might be my favorite post this forum has ever produced

ROFL

Chargem 03-24-2019 02:40 AM

The Cowboys select Isaiah Buggs, DL, Alabama.

Sfeihc 03-24-2019 04:32 AM

The Los Angeles Chargers select Kaleb McGary, OT, Washington.

staylor26 03-24-2019 08:14 AM

There’s a WR and CB on the board either of which would again soften the blow of having to go C in round 1.

Interested to see what DJ does here.

DJ's left nut 03-24-2019 09:59 AM

Well I think there are 2 guys here the big boards say I 'should' take and then there are 2 guys here that I actually want to take. And ultimately the consensus is a little higher on the former 2 than I am so I'm gonna leave 'em sitting there for someone else.

Of the 2 guys I like, I think this one fits a more critical immediate need with a higher ceiling player and with a guy who has a bigger drop-off to the next available option.

The Chiefs select Germaine Pratt, LB - NC State

When you have a plan, you see it through or you end up with a hodge-podge of ill-fitting parts. My plan generates my pass rush through the down linemen and through creating discomfort as much as raw sacks. Additionally, my run defense is going to come from matchups and by trying to play positionally sound, team defense. My DEs are going to specialize on maintaining discipline and funneling runners to where we want them to go while the rest of the squad flows to the football and gang-tackles.

Pratt is very possibly the best coverage LBer in this draft. His background as a safety is evident when you watch him; very fluid for his size and more than capable of running with any TEs you throw at him. As a run defender he shows himself to be a plus tackler and a willing participant. His issue in run defense is that he's simply inexperienced and will allow himself to get fooled. He plays the run a bit like he's still in the secondary; he looks to react and being a LB he simply doesn't have that kind of time. With added experience, he'll be able take that functional strength, solid tackling and overall tenacity and make himself as plus run defender, IMO. The nice thing here is that we so often look at these hybrid safety/LB types and say "Hey, can he had 20 lbs of good weight, get stronger and still stay fast?" We don't usually know but with Pratt we do - he's done exactly that. He can play at his present weight and do any job we can reasonably ask for him. And he's still as athletic and mobile as he was when he was playing in the secondary.

As a blitzer I'm not sure what he'll amount to. I see the skills there to be a 5-6 sack a season kind of guy who can be used in blitz packages to get to the quarterback. But he's raw, for sure, and has a ways to go there.

But his coverage ability, overally athleticism and willingness in the run game makes him a very good Sam prospect here. And what's really nice about him is that I think you could even attempt to make a Mike out of him. Now I think that's probably a bit too big of an ask, but if that doesn't take you have a ready-made Sam. And even then, if he can't figure out run responsibilities as well as you'd like you have a better version of DoD who can be your Will easily.

And if he's never a true 3-down linebacker, he's most assuredly a potentially premier 3rd down linebacker. You put him out there in Nickel formations, even your 'heavy nickel' with your 3 safety looks, and you're in pretty great shape there.

I think he fits extremely well into what Spags hopes to do and what I've done in trying to create a particular type of defense. This thing won't look anything like what we've been accustomed to over the last 6-8 years, but then again, that's kinda the point...

staylor26 03-24-2019 10:05 AM

1. Bradbury
2. Omenihu
2. Jones
3. Pratt

Not bad at all DJ. I’d be fairly happy with this.

chiefforlife 03-24-2019 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14177011)
1. Bradbury
2. Omenihu
2. Jones
3. Pratt

Not bad at all DJ. I’d be fairly happy with this.

Im digging it!

DJ's left nut 03-24-2019 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14177011)
1. Bradbury
2. Omenihu
2. Jones
3. Pratt

Not bad at all DJ. I’d be fairly happy with this.

It's not a draft that I'd have gone into the thing thinking "man, that kicks ass", but with the way the board went, I think it came together damn well.

I've looked at the first 3 rounds and with the benefit of hindsight asked myself what I would've done differently. Honestly, there's a chance I'd have done exactly what I did. I think I could talk myself into going

1- CGJ
2- McCoy/Joejuan
2- Jones/Omenihu/McCoy
3- Pratt

But mostly that's just different. I'm not convinced that it's better. So when with the benefit of hindsight I still can't pull together a draft that I'm positive I like more than the one I had, I think that's a pretty good sign.

I had a plan, I've stuck to it, and I think I've pulled some damn good players who all complement the overall vision of what this team is trying to do very nicely.

staylor26 03-24-2019 10:16 AM

The New York Jets select Lonnie Johnson Jr., CB, Kentucky

DJ's left nut 03-24-2019 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14177029)
The New York Jets select Lonnie Johnson Jr., CB, Kentucky

He was one of my 'the boards say I should take' guys...

He just looked so bad in the CB drills. I would argue that he was the least natural looking DB in the entire pool of candidates. And he's not much of a ballhawk while also being prone to being knocked completely out of sorts. He didn't even demonstrate that he was able to routinely put his length to use in press-man.

Now in Spags Cover 3, he might have still worked. There's a chance that the cover 3 could help him keep plays in front of him with more limited responsibilities and he could be alright. But I don't see a floor with him; he's a guy that could be out of the league before his rookie contract is done. And he needs almost as much development as guys that are getting 5th and 6th round grades.

I just couldn't convince myself that I like him nearly as much as the draft heads.

staylor26 03-24-2019 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14177039)
He was one of my 'the boards say I should take' guys...

He just looked so bad in the CB drills. I would argue that he was the least natural looking DB in the entire pool of candidates. And he's not much of a ballhawk while also being prone to being knocked completely out of sorts. He didn't even demonstrate that he was able to routinely put his length to use in press-man.

Now in Spags Cover 3, he might have still worked. There's a chance that the cover 3 could help him keep plays in front of him with more limited responsibilities and he could be alright. But I don't see a floor with him; he's a guy that could be out of the league before his rookie contract is done. And he needs almost as much development as guys that are getting 5th and 6th round grades.

I just couldn't convince myself that I like him nearly as much as the draft heads.


Don’t get me wrong, I’m not overly high on him myself, but at this point he’s easily the best CB left.

I like the guy I took for the Colts this round Sean Bunting much more.

RunKC 03-24-2019 10:45 AM

DJ took Pratt? I’m so happy.

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RealSNR 03-24-2019 01:14 PM

Updated with round 4 added. As usual, let me know if something seems fishy, like if there was a draft pick trade not reflected in the order.

I'll bet DJ's left nut is delighted beyond belief that he doesn't have a pick this round all because of Reggie Ragland.

Also, my shit is all done. I had a conference I was attending Wednesday - Saturday. I'll be around a lot more often to update things.

DJ's left nut 03-24-2019 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 14177255)
Updated with round 4 added. As usual, let me know if something seems fishy, like if there was a draft pick trade not reflected in the order.

I'll bet DJ's left nut is delighted beyond belief that he doesn't have a pick this round all because of Reggie Ragland.

Also, my shit is all done. I had a conference I was attending Wednesday - Saturday. I'll be around a lot more often to update things.

Well at least I still get to make that pick...just get to make it for Buffalo.

I'd have told you there was a 0% chance of losing that trade when it was made, yet here we are. I still hold out some faint hope that Ragland isn't quite as bad as he looked last year...

RealSNR 03-24-2019 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14177265)
Well at least I still get to make that pick...just get to make it for Buffalo.

I'd have told you there was a 0% chance of losing that trade when it was made, yet here we are. I still hold out some faint hope that Ragland isn't quite as bad as he looked last year...

I know at some point I have to stop saying, "Feh... whatever. We have Mahomes" because it does no good to acquire a QB and then throw caution to the wind with all of the rest of your player transactions.

But seriously... I feel really really bad for Buffalo. Don't get me wrong- I would have stolen everything my grandmother owned and put her on the street in order to get a QB like Mahomes. But I would have felt bad. And the fact that we had to swindle one of the few NFL franchises more historically snake-bitten than us in order to acquire Mahomes is kind of disappointing.

I mean, even if we could have done this shit to a team like Tamba Bay, which is poorly run and shitty and unstable but at least has a Super Bowl trophy more recently. That would have been nice. But no... fate said it had to be Buffalo. We just had to kill a hooker in order to get away with the money.

That's okay with me, though. And if the Reggie Ragland trade is our way of giving back to the poor whose backs we stepped on to claim the true grand prize of the draft of the last 10 years, then I guess I can easily live with it.

Hoover 03-24-2019 01:58 PM

With the 95th pick the LA Rams select Jamel Dean, CB Alburn

Traveling today. Hope this works I’m limited at what I can do today.

Someone pm the next dude

RealSNR 03-24-2019 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 14177308)
With the 95th pick the LA Rams select Jamel Dean, CB Alburn

Traveling today. Hope this works I’m limited at what I can do today.

Someone pm the next dude

On it

TambaBerry 03-24-2019 02:39 PM

The New York Giants select Will Grier QB WVU

The Franchise 03-24-2019 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14177005)
Well I think there are 2 guys here the big boards say I 'should' take and then there are 2 guys here that I actually want to take. And ultimately the consensus is a little higher on the former 2 than I am so I'm gonna leave 'em sitting there for someone else.

Of the 2 guys I like, I think this one fits a more critical immediate need with a higher ceiling player and with a guy who has a bigger drop-off to the next available option.

The Chiefs select Germaine Pratt, LB - NC State

When you have a plan, you see it through or you end up with a hodge-podge of ill-fitting parts. My plan generates my pass rush through the down linemen and through creating discomfort as much as raw sacks. Additionally, my run defense is going to come from matchups and by trying to play positionally sound, team defense. My DEs are going to specialize on maintaining discipline and funneling runners to where we want them to go while the rest of the squad flows to the football and gang-tackles.

Pratt is very possibly the best coverage LBer in this draft. His background as a safety is evident when you watch him; very fluid for his size and more than capable of running with any TEs you throw at him. As a run defender he shows himself to be a plus tackler and a willing participant. His issue in run defense is that he's simply inexperienced and will allow himself to get fooled. He plays the run a bit like he's still in the secondary; he looks to react and being a LB he simply doesn't have that kind of time. With added experience, he'll be able take that functional strength, solid tackling and overall tenacity and make himself as plus run defender, IMO. The nice thing here is that we so often look at these hybrid safety/LB types and say "Hey, can he had 20 lbs of good weight, get stronger and still stay fast?" We don't usually know but with Pratt we do - he's done exactly that. He can play at his present weight and do any job we can reasonably ask for him. And he's still as athletic and mobile as he was when he was playing in the secondary.

As a blitzer I'm not sure what he'll amount to. I see the skills there to be a 5-6 sack a season kind of guy who can be used in blitz packages to get to the quarterback. But he's raw, for sure, and has a ways to go there.

But his coverage ability, overally athleticism and willingness in the run game makes him a very good Sam prospect here. And what's really nice about him is that I think you could even attempt to make a Mike out of him. Now I think that's probably a bit too big of an ask, but if that doesn't take you have a ready-made Sam. And even then, if he can't figure out run responsibilities as well as you'd like you have a better version of DoD who can be your Will easily.

And if he's never a true 3-down linebacker, he's most assuredly a potentially premier 3rd down linebacker. You put him out there in Nickel formations, even your 'heavy nickel' with your 3 safety looks, and you're in pretty great shape there.

I think he fits extremely well into what Spags hopes to do and what I've done in trying to create a particular type of defense. This thing won't look anything like what we've been accustomed to over the last 6-8 years, but then again, that's kinda the point...

**** yeah. Love it.

htismaqe 03-24-2019 10:33 PM

The Washington Redskins select Joe Jackson, EDGE/DE, Miami.

kccrow 03-24-2019 10:40 PM

Ol Bill attempts to call calmly down to the table with the name for the card, but he can't contain his excitement enough to keep from mouth kissing his daughter and ordering Bob some prostitutes, nearly going past the time allotment...

With the 98th pick, the New England Patriots select Gerald Willis, DT, Miami.

Mother****erJones 03-24-2019 11:06 PM

I ****ing hate it to be honest. No corners taken. Leaves gaping holes at corner and safety still. It really starts with 29 and why you can take a damn center 29th overall. The run of secondary players leave us with shit to choose from at 61 and 63.

Chief Northman 03-24-2019 11:07 PM

The Jacksonville Jaguars select Joe Giles-Harris, ILB, Duke

The Jags make their first defensive selection of the draft and look to add a true MLB to their stable of backers. Myles Jack and Telvin Smith were not as good in 2018 as they were in 2017, and part of that is because of miscasting. Giles-Harris can cleanup in the run game, and altough Leon Jacobs was a nice surprise for the Jags outside at SAM last season, having Jack and Smith take a few less reps on early downs may not be a bad thing for their rotation. Giles-Harris can bring that relief and develop into a dependable player.

BossChief 03-25-2019 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 14178129)
I ****ing hate it to be honest. No corners taken. Leaves gaping holes at corner and safety still. It really starts with 29 and why you can take a damn center 29th overall. The run of secondary players leave us with shit to choose from at 61 and 63.

Can’t draft for need.

Mother****erJones 03-25-2019 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 14178246)
Can’t draft for need.

There’s so many available at 29-63 that it’s not just about need. This team can’t ****ing cover anyone. But by all means keep thinking like that.

Sfeihc 03-25-2019 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 14178271)
There’s so many available at 29-63 that it’s not just about need. This team can’t ****ing cover anyone. But by all means keep thinking like that.

You've had it all figured out for years but yet you still suck.

TambaBerry 03-25-2019 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sfeihc (Post 14178277)
You've had it all figured out for years but yet you still suck.

hes not wrong and DJ isnt wrong either. There are multiple ways of drafting and not everything works. I would draft the more expensive skill position players in the first round unless the value just isnt there. I would never ever take a lineman in the first two rounds. How many championships did that Dallas line win, New England takes brokedicks and turns them into the highest paid player.

Mother****erJones 03-25-2019 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sfeihc (Post 14178277)
You've had it all figured out for years but yet you still suck.

What’s that supposed to mean? Because I don’t want a first round center with gaping holes on defense and Reiter being more than serviceable?


Quote:

Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 14178295)
hes not wrong and DJ isnt wrong either. There are multiple ways of drafting and not everything works. I would draft the more expensive skill position players in the first round unless the value just isnt there. I would never ever take a lineman in the first two rounds. How many championships did that Dallas line win, New England takes brokedicks and turns them into the highest paid player.

Exactly. Ignoring corner and safety last year is what got this team into trouble last year. Adding Breeland and Badger is a nice start but to think ‘we good’ now and can take a center is crazy. I’m not the only one that thinks this. I’ve talked about this with a lot of other fans of this team. It’s really only pick 29 I have an issue with. Otherwise, DJN is spot on for the most part. But after watching last year’s secondary, then thinking ‘don’t draft for need’ and not taking one in rounds 1-3 is woefully negligent.

The Franchise 03-25-2019 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 14178129)
I ****ing hate it to be honest. No corners taken. Leaves gaping holes at corner and safety still. It really starts with 29 and why you can take a damn center 29th overall. The run of secondary players leave us with shit to choose from at 61 and 63.

You’ve got hindsight....who are you picking?

Mother****erJones 03-25-2019 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14178326)
You’ve got hindsight....who are you picking?

A corner like Amani Oruwariye from Penn St, Justin Layne Mich St, or even a stud S like Chauncey Gardner-Johnson. It’s not hindsight since I’ve been wanting a corner or safety pairing with HB for awhile now.

TambaBerry 03-25-2019 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14178326)
You’ve got hindsight....who are you picking?

i would have taken the penn st cb i cant spell, chauncey gardner johnson, dexter lawrence

Mother****erJones 03-25-2019 07:58 AM

I just don’t know how you can watch this defense fiddle **** around last year and think taking a center at 29 is fine.

Hoover 03-25-2019 08:07 AM

With the 100th pick in the NFL Draft, the LA Rams select, T.J. Edwards, ILB, Wisconsin

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O.city 03-25-2019 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 14178295)
hes not wrong and DJ isnt wrong either. There are multiple ways of drafting and not everything works. I would draft the more expensive skill position players in the first round unless the value just isnt there. I would never ever take a lineman in the first two rounds. How many championships did that Dallas line win, New England takes brokedicks and turns them into the highest paid player.

New England took a lineman in the first round last year.

O.city 03-25-2019 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 14178343)
I just don’t know how you can watch this defense fiddle **** around last year and think taking a center at 29 is fine.

Because if your board says your taking a player you rate as a 2nd round prospect in the first round over a lineman you rate as a first round, best player at that position, it's not smart.

It's the long game Dj is trying to play. It doesn't always work out, but the numbers say it's got better odds than reaching just for need.

DJ's left nut 03-25-2019 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 14178271)
There’s so many available at 29-63 that it’s not just about need. This team can’t ****ing cover anyone. But by all means keep thinking like that.

Fuller, Ward and Breeland are going to be better next season than any CB availble when I was up in the 2nd and taking Justin Layne or Julian Love in the 1st would've been the height of stupidity.

The problem with the secondary last season was not lack of talent, it was lack of coordination and communication.

You have no earthly idea what 'this team' can do as it's never taken the field. But the starting defense wouldn't have been helped by taking a CB in the 2nd and the team at large would've been harmed by reaching badly for a 2nd round caliber corner in the 1st. Oruwariye is another mid-2nd talent who you guys would've never asked for but/for the fact that our secondary is perceived as a weakness.

You're need drafting and little else. You've conceded that fact by saying you have already chosen your positions before the draft started (CB/S/HB). That's a good way to end up with a shitty team in not too terribly long.

O.city 03-25-2019 08:36 AM

That's another thing I look at with a first rounder. I want him to start immediately.

Unless you're getting one of the top 2 or 3 corners, or Adderley or maybe the s from Florida who's name escapes me, I don't know that I see a lot of secondary players stepping right in.

Bradburry fills a hole with a blue chip player. Or alteast i'm guessing DJ has him as a blue chip player.

DJ's left nut 03-25-2019 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 14178343)
I just don’t know how you can watch this defense fiddle **** around last year and think taking a center at 29 is fine.

Because "this defense" didn't take the field last year.

It's a new staff, new scheme and with at least 2 new starters in the defensive backfield alone. What's the throughput? Most of the guys that are going to be key parts of the D next year weren't problems last season.

Stop trying to pretend like the draft is a cure-all. It isn't and it never has been. I said this all the way back in the Pioli era - good teams do NOT deal with 'needs' in the draft. They deal with needs in FA and they use the draft to try to address situations before they become needs.

If you're looking to fix immediate problems with draft picks, you're doing it wrong. The Chiefs have taken some steps towards helping this D and they've done it in a way where they can add complementary parts to the defense via the draft. Should the board fall in a way where need meets potential, then great.

It didn't here, not in my book. I don't think Oruwariye or Layne are nearly the caliber of raw prospect that Bradburry is. So if I'm taking them instead of him, it's a purely needs based determination. That's how reach picks get made and they don't help the team in the long run.

Mother****erJones 03-25-2019 09:17 AM

That’s a joke of a secondary. I get scheme and coaching but goddamn that’s not what I’d do. I just hope this isn’t how it goes a month from now. You know your shit DJ I haven’t argued that. We just see things differently.

Taking CGJ isn’t a reach at all. He’s a stud that’ll instantly upgrade the secondary and allow even more versatility


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