Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14221694)

Are you mental? Houston was going to cost $22 million or something. Dee Ford was going to coast $17 million.

A #29 pick was not going to wreck worlds right out of the gate.

You're not really this stupid are you?

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14221714)

You guys that are throwing a fit right now are all going to be lining up with tears of joy streaming down your faces to suck Veach's dick while he's holding the Lombardi trophy.

You'd better swallow. No spitting.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14221734)

Obviously Veach and co. didn't feel like they could get the value they wanted with the 29th pick. I wasn't keeping close tabs on the draft so I can't speak to that decision.

However, Frank Clark is a huge upgrade over both Houston and Ford. This might not have been the case if Houston had never injured his knee, but he did, and he wasn't the same afterwards.

Ford was just too one dimensional; all speed and nothing else. No ability to set the edge, no feel for stopping the run, these would've been serious issues going forward, especially as a DE in a 4-3.

And while I don't believe that Clark all on his own makes our D a top-10 unit, I do believe that his presence could make our front-7 at least one of the top 15 in the league. Which could take some pressure off the secondary, as well as having to acquire elite level players for our secondary.

The compensation both with draft picks and cash make me cringe a little, but then, I cringed more when we gave up what we gave up for Mahomes.

Wondering who's at 62 (I think that's the pick we have now)? Hopefully a true no. 1 CB or a no.2 WR.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14221731)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I get it; it&#39;s rumor/lying season... but Frank Clark makes sense. His rep is more as a dynamic pass rusher (which he is) but his speed to power is fantastic. His plant step after pressing the upfield shoulder is quick and he explodes out of it.<br><br>And he fits Spag&#39;s DE criteria <a href="https://t.co/NF6GNfwxd5">pic.twitter.com/NF6GNfwxd5</a></p>&mdash; Matt Lane (@ChiefinCarolina) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefinCarolina/status/1117985494393151490?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 16, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 14221328)

Brett Reach

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14221737)

You'd be the same one bitching and moaning if we fielded another bottom 10 defense that lacked talent.

Shut up.

The only way you get better is by adding better players.

But i guess you'd be A-Ok starting scrubs like Ogbah, eh?

Kick rocks.

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 14221699)

What would you have given up to move to the top 15 in this draft? Would this year’s first and next year’s second be too much?

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 14221713)

He is a 4-3 DE.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 14221742)

It feels like Veach always comes out on the losing side in trades. I like getting Frank but at that price and with that contract...**** that's a lot.

I was just hoping for a mediocre or just slightly worse defense this year but with a move like this, we better be like 13th or 14th at worst.

Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 14221745)

Look at our Pro Bowl LT kicking ass right there.

Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 14221745)

Look at our Pro Bowl LT kicking ass right there.

Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 14221745)

Look at our Pro Bowl LT kicking ass right there.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14221735)

he's perfect, that's how.

perfect size, perfect violent attitude. Excellent pass rusher (13 sacks last season), has played 62 of 64 games (no injury history) is relentless, is an excellent player against the run as well as the pass.

He literally does not have a hole in his game.

He's going to ****ing wreck worlds lined up next to Jones.

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 14221709)

He is consistently that stupid. At least he is consistent.


CP- "Why don't we ever make a big move? Veach sucks!"

CP- "OMG why did we just trade for an elite young pass rusher!!!! Veach sucks!"

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 14221755)

We still have 2 seconds this year

Let’s go get our back-to-back rings

Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 14221758)

So what picks do we have now? One second rounder? Or both still with them getting a 2020 second rounder?

Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 14221758)

So what picks do we have now? One second rounder? Or both still with them getting a 2020 second rounder?

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 14221699)

Honest questions.

What would you have given up to move to the top 15 in this draft? Would this year’s first and next year’s second be too much?

If you did that and drafted exactly Frank Clark, would you be satisfied with the pick?

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14221648)

Actually, it might VERY WELL make KC a top ten defense.

You can run right at Dee Ford. You can't run at Clark. He's an elite DE as an ALL AROUND player.

There are no holes in his game.

Clark, Honey Badger, Breeland are all upgrades.

This team will be much, much better against the run. This team will be very good at rushing the passer. This team will be better in coverage than last year, and we're not done yet.

Yes, Clark is expensive, but you legit just added the perfect DE for this system.

Now, go draft a CB and a WR in round 2 and TE in round 3.

Originally Posted by Rudy tossed tigger's salad (Post 14221750)

So Veach has used up $123 million dollars, a first round pick, three second round picks, and Eric Murray for a middle-of-the-pack DE group?

VEACH'D

Originally Posted by prhom (Post 14221768)

Great post here. I think you are spot on about CB, WR, and TE too. Probably in that order too. I wouldn’t rule out RB replacing one of those though. We need some RB talent and 4th might be too late. RB and TE can contribute faster as a rookie and we are really focused on this year.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14221756)

There's video of him raping Andrew Whitworth who was one of the best in the league...Clark is just good.

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14221752)

Good god Fisher ROFL

Originally Posted by Rudy tossed tigger's salad (Post 14221703)

Jamaal was the Chiefs' first of the three 3rd round picks. Would have likely been available at the Chiefs pick at 76. Allen was essentially traded for Albert, Morgan, and Cottam

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14221774)

He's a ****ing monster.

We just got dramatically better.

Did a little digging on his domestic violence issue too; and it appears that it's not as bad as it was initially reported and he's been a model citizen since.

So I have concerns there, but I assume The Chiefs did their due diligence.

As for on the field, this guy is a ****ing monster. STUD. Look at him just throw Fisher into Mahomes in that clip. HOLY SHIT.

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14221773)

We are good at RB. Need a solid #2 TE tho

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 14221438)

The worst part about this is have we really improved as a defense all that much? If we're doing a scheme transition, and if that causes confusion problems in the first year for many of the players, what's the point of moving heaven and earth to get a guy right now to fill a hole?

Why don't we ****ing draft somebody and let them develop while the other guys on defense make the transition?

For ****'s sake. The defense is going to suck. With or without Clark. It's still going to ****ing suck this year.

Clark is there... we suck. We draft some guys... we suck. The difference is in one situation we get the benefit of cheap players 3-4 years down the line in the initial stages of the Mahomes extension. In the other situation we're paying $20 million each year to one guy over the course of that time.

I'm pretty pissed. We eventually have to stop this revolving door of GMs, but at this point I really ****ing hate Veach. He's goddamn clueless.

Carl, Pioli, and even Dorsey to some extent at least were able to put up the veil of walking away from a deal. They weren't afraid of inaction, because inaction is the only goddamn bargaining chip a team often has. Veach has none of that. "Buy low, sell high" means nothing to this loser. For as vocal as he is about certain players, he clearly doesn't trust his own ability to navigate a draft board or trust his scouting when Plan A doesn't go the way he planned.

He's horrible. He might be the weakest GM we've had since before Carl.

Other GMs clearly have him pegged as the douche who will give you anything you want.

Originally Posted by Eleazar (Post 14221748)

it's better to overpay and get a proven player than to take your chances after the best prospects are gone in the 1st round.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14221613)

Veach's trades up to this point have been lackluster. It's not like we stole Frank Clark the way we stole Mahomes. And the compensation he got for Peters and Ford leave a lot to be desired.

And again, Veach may have "found" him (that WAS his job afterall) but Reid, Dorsey etc all signed off on him. Hell, even Alex Smith signed off on him.

And NONE of that matter unless Dorsey pulls that trade off.

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 14221781)

I hope this guy is the best pass rusher we've had since DT passed because it's going to take pretty much that or VERY close to it for me to see the value in this deal. I need the player to succeed so I hope he flies straight as an arrow and doesn't cause any issues off the field.
I will support the player because it is the right thing to do.

But unless Veach's draft picks start hitting and fairly quick-like, I'm done with him. I don't understand how a person can be THIS shitty in free agency. He can't gather compensation worth a ****, but he doles it out as if there were unlimited cap room. Does he fancy himself THAT good of a contract negotiator, that he can structure everyone to avoid overlap so that we can keep the players we need to keep?
Maybe. Maybe that's the ONE thing he's good at? I don't know.
But so far, he hasn't been that impressive on his own. Getting Honey Badger when your cap purse is full of money is one thing, but grabbing a quasi-elite pass rusher and paying him 63 guaranteed when you barely have a LB or CB corps is not something I would count as being "great management".

I'm done being lenient and understanding with this GM. I'm done defending him and backing him. And he gets ZERO free rides for being a scout that saw a great QB. That shit is done and gone.

The honeymoon is over.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14221780)

This team has already made a significant upgrade in run defense by getting Damien Wilson for base downs

Originally Posted by Showtime (Post 14221783)

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Lol when last time a chiefs player did this

Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 14221786)

Quick, somebody hook this guy up with a chocolate covered Midol salt lick

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14221281)

Can we have Dorsey back

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14221779)

Also has felony 2nd degree home invasion.

Originally Posted by Eleazar (Post 14221790)

F*** you doubters. I don't even consider you real fans. I am making Clark my Adopt-A-Chief. You keep bashing him, I'll keep backing him.

Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 14221798)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This defense got real dawgs all around...<br>“Shits about to be crazy”...</p>&mdash; Chris Jones (@stonecoldjones_) <a href="https://twitter.com/stonecoldjones_/status/1120763493463019521?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Originally Posted by Carlota69 (Post 14221786)

Quick, somebody hook this guy up with a chocolate covered Midol salt lick

Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 14221802)

Your record at backing things isnt very good. just sayin'

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14221799)

If some of you guys have an issue with the "character" of the players the Chiefs are bringing in you can not be a long for the ride I guess.

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 14221765)

We have both second rounders and moved up 6 spots in the third

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14221735)

he's perfect, that's how.

perfect size, perfect violent attitude. Excellent pass rusher (13 sacks last season), has played 62 of 64 games (no injury history) is relentless, is an excellent player against the run as well as the pass.

He literally does not have a hole in his game.

He's going to ****ing wreck worlds lined up next to Jones.

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 14221801)

All in, brother. It also took 3 cops to take Okafor down. No more pussies on this DL who play piano.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14221807)

I wonder how much of that is a call out for some of his past teammates who half the time acted like they didn't care.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14221799)

If some of you guys have an issue with the "character" of the players the Chiefs are bringing in you can not be a long for the ride I guess.

Originally Posted by Eleazar (Post 14221809)

your record at bottoming them is much better

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 14221816)

All we need is Brooke Pryor to pen an article bemoaning the move and all of CP will unite behind Clark.

Originally Posted by RollChiefsRoll (Post 14221805)

I really hope there's a good defensive back still left in the 60s.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14221821)

If she turns this trade into a chance to write a SJW article I swear to ****ing god.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14221779)

Also has felony 2nd degree home invasion.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14221825)

I think there's going to be names that CPers were clamoring for @ 29 available in the 2nd.

Like Adderly and Gardner-Johnson.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14221826)

The way is in 2 years when there is a strike/lockout that situation is going to sky rocket the cap because the players want more...that will help this team a ton.

Originally Posted by RollChiefsRoll (Post 14221805)

I really hope there's a good defensive back still left in the 60s.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14221813)

Nope. Not when our second best player, who has his own checkered past of character concerns, is currently being investigated for child abuse.

Stay far away from these guys if you aren't willing to deal with the consequences if something bad happens.