I know and the news conference today will be uncomfortable for Veach, Reid and Clark. Chunt if this newly acquired FA goes south may have to can Andy.

Itd be different if Hill got in a bar fight or something.

I'm not even arguing Hill isn't a **** up, just without him this isn't a bowl team anymore.

Do you even watch our team?

Don't forget second-degree home invasion.

Without Hunt, Mahomes had one 300 yard game and our offense went from scoring 36 ppg to 32 ppg.

So they'll score about 26 points per game this year....

Everyone is having a meltdown over this factoid, but even in the BEST case scenario, Hill might not be playing football for anyone this year.

Adrian Peterson got suspended for a year for this, and it was his first offense. Hill was already on his second chance. That's the part people keep forgetting about this. So in your world this season is already toast. In reality it's not because we have the best QB in the world. But there is zero chance Hill gets a slap on the wrist for this because of his history. And the only person to blame for that is Hill himself.

It's all her fault. Cuz reasons n stuff.
/victim-blaming

Am I doing it right?

Get out of here with that defeatist shit man! If the defense gets a lot better and we get a couple guys that can have an impact on both sides today we will be ok.

Do you forget what Mahomes did with Harris, Wilson, Robinson, and Sausage? Our offense is still going to be very good with 15 slinging it.

For the last time the NFL already implemented a DV Policy of 6 games. AP and Rice got their suspension before the POLICY.

Done in the NFL, or just in KC. If it's the former, we're worse-off as a team, if it's the latter we're still worse-off as a team, he'll punk us when he plays us, and the KC fans and his kid are the people who have had their asses kicked.

The Chiefs get a rabbit's foot for luck and it has rabies.

The Chiefs get a four leaf clover and it has cancer causing DDT on it.

The Chiefs find a lucky penny and it's counterfeit.

The Chiefs find a chicken wishbone and both players pulling it apart suffer severe injuries.

That's how I feel after 49 years of failure.

Yeah but youre forgetting Mahomes is on the Madden Cover....

I'm annoyed at the situation this team goes all in and promptly loses the biggest play maker in the league less than a year after losing a top 5 RB.

Even if Mahomes is that good, losing your playmakers makes things tough, ask Aaron Rodgers what happened when he lost his weapons.

As far as superbowl or bust, yea seasons toast.

The Madden curse has been broken over and over.

Yup. And for those who think teams will gladly scoop him up, even chiefs fans were reluctant at first to accept him. Does anyone remember a draft pick so polarizing 100% because of character? Don't think I've ever seen a pick cause that much unease. I dont know if people are registering how unpopular he is right now. In ways that nobody from Antonio brown to kareem hunt can't even imagine.

But Mahomes is gonna be a better QB than last year.

We’re gonna score around 30ppg with Kelce, Watkins, Williams, D-Rob, and a draftpick

Has it tho? Did AB make the playoffs last year?

It only takes one team...and we know who it is

Of course I do.

And I actually understand the nuances of football beyond yardage too. Something most here don't.

Kelce gonna see a ton of doubles and if Watkins gets hurt....with more defenses not as scared of getting beat down field the run game will take a hit as this is a finesse line.

Joe Mixon was on video bro..........You are delusional if you don't believe he will be picked up right away.

Dude.....

Brady said not to worry about the “curse:”

https://patriotswire.usatoday.com/20...-madden-curse/

He imploded lol

Calvin Johnson broke it....he's one of the few.

They also played 3 of the top 7 defenses in the league during that stretch. Try again.

That’s where Mahomes proves if he’s worth 40 m’s or not

I get your argument, I do.

But realistically you can't remove the biggest playmaker in the league and say oh we'll be fine.

Maybe we aren’t snake bit, maybe we draft criminals.

That’s because the biggest playmaker in the league wasn’t removed. The second was.

:)

Would you rather I use the word explosive?

Either way if you took him from last years team, whats the change in record?

Do they go 9-7?

Yeah and Kareem Hunt got 8. How did that work?

Technically the 2nd domestic violence incident is supposed to be a lifetime suspension. They will bring the hammer down however they want. I think everyone here is completely underrating that this is not the first time he had this problem. It's completely different than all your other examples for that reason. This was his second chance.

I never said we'd be fine without Hill.

But this idea that the offense took a big hit without Hunt is pure unadulterated balderdash.

It's baloney. It didn't happen, despite what the chicken little's around here say.

Ok, Hill is about 100000 times more important than Hunt is, so this is gonna suck hard.

Mixon is now on a second chance, not a third. And the optics of hitting a pregnant woman are a hell of a lot worse than hitting a drunk woman talking shit in a restaurant. That's why the Mixon and hunt stories largely went away. The tyreek story NEVER went away much as the Chiefs tried. There's no doubt Ray Rice, hardy, and Tyreek are in another league when it comes to bad PR.

Of the ten highest scoring NFL offenses in NFL history, only one has won a SB...

You win bowls with good coaching, QB, and defense. We don’t need to score 35ppg to win the whole thing. No one ever has, and we don’t have to be the first

At the end of the day, yes... gotta have a solid defense and balance with a great QB.

Tom Brady 6
Peyton Manning 2
Eli Manning 2
Ben Roethlisberger 2

That's 12 by 4 guys in the recent era. Then you have Brees, Wilson, Rodgers ... 15 titles from 7 QBs and that doesn't include the SB losses that those guys participated in during that timeframe.

Gotta have that stud.

Yyyyyyyyyyyyup! And Clark might very well make 49 turn into 59 as he let's the NFL out-maneuver him on these cases.

Yeah, but by that measure Mahomes is 100000 times more important than Hill.

Will this hurt? Of course. But we still have the best QB in the league. And it's not like his every touchdown last year was an 80 yard bomb to Tyreek.

If Mahomes had Denver’s ground game, receivers, and defense they’d never lose

Guys under the CBA you are not punished for thing you do before you were in the NFL.

AKA

Why Mixon was never suspended

The Clark sign and trade looks incredibly stupid in light of this Tyreek saga.

Chiefs might win the West this year but probably won't appear in the AFCCG.

So it goes when you live and die by players with tremendous character flaws.

Against the top 8 defenses with Hunt: 33 ppg (Jax, LA Chargers, NE)

Against the top 8 defenses without Hunt: 28 ppg (Balt, LA Chargers, NE)

No but that speed opens up so much for everyone else and gives Mahomes bigger windows.

What a stupid ****ing take.

With the money we have to spend now and the way the draft played out the Clark trade looks brilliant in hindsight. Get a ****ing clue dude

He means cause the DV stuff

I know that. Not saying it's not going to hurt. But he's replaceable. Pat's not.

You're kidding, right? Other team's would gladly spin this as their attempt to rehabilitate a kid with a checkered history. There's just no way Tyreek would get passed-over by the 31 other teams in the league.

That being said, while it sucks for us if he's gone, minimally the Chiefs franchise needs to let the NFL lead the way and make sure that he's only as gone as the NFL makes him.

What this is gonna do is put some people on the moral high ground that we need to be drafting slapdick mcbumble**** from leadership U that has great character over any questionable athletes.

I threatened my ex-wife's then-new husband, on a recording that I didn't know was being recorded, I threatened to have his legs broken and to beat his ass myself.

A LOT more explicitly than what Tyreek said.

I was wrong, and I was upset because she was making stuff up for the purpose of the recording.

That didn't make me a bad person, I was just a toxic person in a toxic relationship.

Now, like Twisted Chief said, my own experience is just that - my own experience. And maybe that colors my perception, and that's certainly valid.

However, I also know how toxic relationships can bring the worst out in people, and I also know that sometimes things go sideways.

I'm not condoning violence against women, or children...I'm just saying, even thoigh the recording sounds bad, it doesn't mean Tyreek is a "monster", it doesn't even mean he did what he's accused of...

He probably WAS whipping the kid, and had the kid by the arm, and the kid tried to get away...and things went awry. Then, the couple's combined toxicity made it worse.

I'm not going to judge anyone in the scenario.

Except for Crystal and her family, who didn't make things better by how they've fed edited and possibly false information to the media. That's some bullshit.

P A T R I O T W A Y

That was truly the darkest timeline.

"He doesn't have any elite phyiscal skills, but great character, high motor"

I caught that and edited my post.

Is it bad when those are the first 2 things about a player I just want to say oh so he sucks then?

It's like when you try to hook your friend up and he asks about her physical appearance and all you can talk about is her personality.

This whole incident has certainly solidified my preexisting hatred of the media, gold digging psycho demons and whining millennial snowflakes.

I don't know what Hill will do after this shit is over, but what he should do is go from college to college warning young football players not to stick their dicks in crazy. These guys should just go jerk off at sperm banks for later and then get vasectomies.

I just don't get it. How hard is it to spend 10 years of your life not abusing women and children so that you can make a hundred mil? Just stupid.

Don’t know where you got 33ppg from. It was actually 31 points per game

Defense and special teams scored vs. Jax and LAC. Special teams also set u a 3 yard TD “drive” vs LAC in week 1.

:clap::clap::clap:

We don't have all the facts, just a recording trying to get him to admit to things. Which he doesn't, hell we don't know if it was edited.

We do know she is now CLAIMING she lied.

I would have preferred we find a number 1 receiver. It makes me think when we got Clark they were fully counting on Hill being here.

Wow this saga might go on for months. Sammy Watkins needs to stay healthy

Kareem Hunt
LA - 16 carries, 49 yards, 0 TD, 0 catch
Jax - 22 carries, 87 yards, 1 TD, 1 catch
NE - 10 carries, 85 yards, 5 catches, 105 yards, 1 TD

Balt - Spencer Ware, 15 carries, 75 yards, 5 catch, 54 yards
Balt - Damien Williams, 8 carries, 14 yards, 1 TD, 4 catches, 16 yards 1 TD
LA - Damien Williams, 10 carries, 49 yards, 2 TD, 6 catches, 74 yards,
NE - Damien Williams, 10 carries, 30 yards, 1 TD, 5 catches, 66 yards, 2 TDs

The drop-off had NOTHING at all to do with Kareem Hunt.

Has ware signed anywhere yet?

I highly doubt teams are keeping Williams in mind when they're scheming against KC.

Hunt led the entire league in rushing his rookie year. It's silly to say losing him won't affect offensive production.

I don't think anyone views this incident as bad in isolation. Not by nfl standards.

I think you're focusing too much on the abuse. The problem is that the only reason tyreek wasn't a pr disaster in kc is because the public was sold the idea that the anger management training worked and that he is no longer a threat to anyone. This isn't about the abuse. This is about the public perception that a man who thought it was OK to hit a woman still seems to have anger issues, despite supposedly intensive counseling. Even if he's innocent, it's hard to walk away from that audio and not think that.
This isn't about the child abuse. This is about reopening some serious serious wounds that we thought were stitched shit.

It didn't affect them last year, why would it going forward?

Absolutely effected them in the championship game.

Losing hunt cost KC a super bowl appearance. Period.

Hill is going to play in the NFL again. This idea that he is done in the league is silly. I think at this point though Hill likely wants to be cut or traded or whatever to another team. So even if the Chiefs want to keep him even with a year suspension or something he very well might want a fresh start.

First, everything is worse if their is an audio and/or video. Doubt Hunt gets cut if there was not a video. It might have been different in drafting Tyreke if there was a video.

Second I think the fan base of most teams are willing to move on and forgive given sometime. Unfortunately the team owning his contract does not have the time. The pressure is going to put them under the gun to act before next year. The next team waits a year and then says he has done x, y and z and moves on. Not sure this is any worse then AP. But not an audio of AP but everyone has moved on.

Remember. hunt was done in the NFL according to CP.

Moral high horses and reality don't always mix.

... to keep your hands to yourself.

Because they scored less points without an all-pro caliber running back.

Interesting that people push this narrative but don’t believe Marcus Peters would have been the difference (he didn’t suck in Sutton’s reerun scheme)

Williams had 3 fourth quarter TDs...

Unless Hunt was playing on the Defense, he wasn't the difference in the game.

This

Yea that completely avoids the point of not scoring in the 1st half when Hunt had a history of killing NE.

We had 9 points in the first half of that NE game.

Hunt had 38 rushing yards and 13 receiving yards.

Most people watch the hunt and Mixon video and go "oof." The ray Rice video on the other hand.... made people cringe. It is unwatchable. The image in your brain of tyreek hitting a pregnant woman is worse than most actual videos of misbehavior. It's not that other people don't do horrible things. It's all optics. We don't have video of Michael Vick killing dogs either. Is that actually worse than a serial abuser of humans? Maybe not. But the image in the head of a man killing dogs is cringeworthy.

Even I fell for the trap. I saw him laughing, playing with his kid, and I was genuinely happy for him. Just a guy who got his priorities straight and would rather play fortnite than get drunk and party. He permanently erased all that goodwill and will never get that back. People now don't see an immature kid making a dumb mistake on a cringeworthy act, now they see a serial abuser with anger issues hitting a pregnant woman. Those optics are really really bad.

Yeah, I don't think he's done either. But many are downplaying how reluctant fans or owners are to take him. Even with his insane talent, he ain't going anywhere for a while.