56.0 is above average, actually

Hes pretty much clueless a vast majority of the time. I'm surprised he's still around, especially after he stayed onboard the SS ASS11, even after it was submerged.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Player Grading Scale:<br>100-90 Elite<br>89-85 Pro Bowler<br>84-70 Starter<br>69-60 Backup <br>59-0 Replaceable</p>&mdash; PFF (@PFF) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF/status/652583704800444416?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 9, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Lmao, no it's not. It's not even in the backup range. Idk how much I agree with PFF, but I think you find their assessments to be pretty accurate.

PFF LMAO

I know people who have worked with them who are NOT qualified to grade football players. I’ll just come out and say it.

I don't think he sucks. But he has sucked so far. There's a difference.

If he doesn't ramp up the production, then we wasted a lot of resources cause this same off season we could have gotten Jadeveon Clowney for a lot cheaper and probably been at the same place.

Did you notice when they got anywhere on the ground it was always away from Clark's side?

Also... this does seem kinda valid:

“For the people saying “trade Frank Clark”, “We overpaid for Frank Clark”, or whatever else because he went 10 quarters without a sack this season, just remember, JJ Watt got his first sack of 2019 today and Aaron Donald is still searching for his first.” - via Arrowhead Live on Twitter

I honestly don't know what to think of PFF.

Based on what I know, I view it simply as an accessory that’s there for reference but by no means is it a sure measure of player quality.

They ran up the middle over Jones several times as well. He is not strong against the run.

Frank Clark hasn’t been terrible, but he hasn’t exactly been a dominating difference maker... yet (still early obviously).

Mack- 1 sack
Miller- 0
Chubb- 0

Hmmm, well when we trade a 1st and 2nd and give Watt and Donald a $100 million contract, then I'll care about what they did.

Miller and Chubb are definitely underperforming so far. Mack is one of the league leaders in pressures through 2 games though.

Melvin Ingram 1 sack
Joey Bosa 1.5 sacks


Clark is doing just fine

Defense doesn't look improved unless you have rose colored glasses. They tackle like they are fighting bulls and fuller is supposed to be our best cb and hes garbage. We are probably gonna lose jones because we paid a guy 100 mm to take double teams. Yes it is early. Yes they look like trash. Can they get better? Sure. But as of now they suck ass.

As a fan of the move, I’m very concerned about Clark. I’ve seen this guy destroy tackles, he used to be a monster at blowing up plays. He has always better against the run than as a pass rusher but he has always been good there as well.
The last weeks, he looks like a man that got paid and is motor has been turned down. He gives up to easily. Multiple times I saw him try to get around the tackle and just stop. This is the guy we need to keep battling and when his first move doesn’t work. The dude couldn’t even tackle Jascons on a blind side hit. I don’t see him being a leader with his mouth or actions right now. I don’t need double digit sacks but he has got to start making plays with the money he is making.

when you trade a 1st and pay $100 mill, you want to see a difference maker. Someone that can change the game, we aren't getting that thus far and that's why people are disappointed.

Every single team has ran away from Clark’s side. It’s amazing that people here ignore rhis

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Frank Clark fighting through this dbl team allows Nnadi (solo vs C) to apply QB pressure <a href="https://t.co/PxX7yGNYLx">pic.twitter.com/PxX7yGNYLx</a></p>&mdash; Nick Leckey (@mrleckey) <a href="https://twitter.com/mrleckey/status/1175978674866270208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

You are the ****ing man for saying this.

Props to you!

This is just nuts. Has the defense been top 10? No. But not much improved? We've won two blow outs and one that probably should have been if the offense kept its foot on the gas. They allowed the Ravens 6 points in the first half. They are getting extremely aggressive game plans from these teams knowing they have to keep pace with Mahomes and they are keeping them in check. This is what we all wanted. A defense that did enough to let our offense win the game. They're also almost guaranteed to get better over the next several weeks as they get used to playing together and the scheme.

You can bitch about Clark's individual production but the defense is obviously better.

The thing is, if Frank Clark gets 10 sacks this year, people are still gonna say he sucks.

Because that's less sacks than Dee Ford got last year.

I'd rather have a dude with 10 sacks who is a rock solid run defender too than a dude who gets steamrolled on every ****ing snap in the running game.

**** Dee Ford, and **** the Frank Clark haters. He's gonna start eating soon. I bet he piles up sacks against Denver and murders NE's backup tackles.

Not if you actually watch them play. If not for having a coach so scared shitless of our offense that he went for it on 4th down and 2 pt conversions multiple times we could have lost. Our defense is 'better' cause they are afraid of our offense. They cant tackle still, and I still feel like we lost the alex smith trade. Were it not for mahomes, we would probably be 1-2 at best. Great defense.

This is 100% where I'm at. Show out, Mr. Clark. We're all pulling for you to wreck.

Re-watched the game.

He was better week 1 and 2. Intermittent effort. Ogbah and Okafor had better games than Clark. He needs to earn that huge salary. He looks no better than anyone in the rotation at this point.

Breeland and Mathieu did some nice things. Hitchens and Lee were not good. Nieman is looking better in coverage each outing. Thornhill needs to clean up tackling, but is often around the ball.

Detroit will be a challenge. They are a well-rounded team and Patricia will be talking to Bill about how to defend against Mahomes...

The nickel package with Sorensen and Niemann as linebackers is interesting.

Niemann is basically a hybrid safety/linebacker because he's so light. Interesting role for him.

I think they had Jordan Lucas on the field with honey badger as a linebacker in that package too.

We paid $100 million for him and he's the 4th highest paid defender in the league and we gave up a 1st and 2nd round pick for him. He got paid like an elite player and he's no where near that. How hard is that to understand?

And he was pretty shitty the first 2 weeks lol

This is false and I'll prove it in the morning.

So Okafor is trash now? I thought he was a great run defending DE with limited pass rush ability?

We have played two teams with really good OL.

You might want to pump the brakes. Frank is going to get his.

He's just a different kind of pass rusher than some of you are used to. He doesn't have the burst that Ford has. He wins in other ways - better ways, to be frank.

Maybe he knows we are going deep into the playoffs and keeping gas in the tank? It’s a marathon not a sprint after all.

I’ve seen a few glimpses but not enough to get too excited (yet)

We? You got a mouse in your pocket? It's a long season. Take a breath.

Okafor has been damn good. Slander on Okafor will not be tolerated here

He must read CP!!<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Gotta ignore the noise, good or bad. Its all fake.</p>&mdash; Frank Clark (@TheRealFrankC_) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRealFrankC_/status/1175963291509805057?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Frank had himself a good day. Not great, not legendary, but a solid, good performance.

For example, did anyone notice that it was Frank that stopped that 2-point conversion attempt at the 4:24 mark in the first quarter? Frank is the one that initially got blown off the line, gathered himself, slipped around the block, and then chopped LJ's feet out from under him?

The Ravens only ran in his direction a few times, and several times (I want to say most but I haven't reviewed the game yet) he wasn't on the field for those runs.

The Thornhill almost-sack was set up by Clark's drive up field, dragging the tackle with him, creating that huge hole. Against almost any other QB that's a sack.

There was the almost-sack Clark would've had against just about any other QB where he beat his double team.

And of course the spin-move (anyone else notice that he didn't pull that move out of his hat until we just had to have a stop?) sack.

Those are just the ones off the top of my head.

Please do. I was at the game, watching the Ravens run RPO away from Clark on nearly every play in the 1st half.

When do the PFF grades come out?

Frank, ignore the haters & fakers. CP knows what's up.

Clark had 4 pressures and 1 sack yesterday.

but he sucks right all these morons on CP

King will be here shortly to tell use why this doesn’t matter and he still sucked.

That'll play.

Jackson is just a weird dude to pass rush.

It's more of a mush rush, keep him in the pocket and make him make throws from there.

Clark played well against the run yesterday, from what I could see.

They ran away from him. A lot.

I'm sure this has already been said, but Frank Clark has as many sacks as Aaron Donald.

Yeah, Matt. Here's the tape from our two games last year. Don't do that.

Clark and Jones each had 4 pressures yesterday. Ogbah had 9!!!!

You mean like they have all three games?

And more picks!

Are you sure? That sounds awfully high.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">According to <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PFF</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> DE <a href="https://twitter.com/EmanOgbah?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@EmanOgbah</a> had NINE pressures against the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ravens?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Ravens</a> yesterday, with Chris Jones and Frank Clark each grabbing FOUR.<br><br>Overall, the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> had 26 QB pressures on Sunday.</p>&mdash; BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsReporter/status/1176191172320141313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It's amazing that people that have watched the game for so many years and post about it everyday can be so ignorant at evaluating players

Lamar was a complete turd under pressure. Two Watson level ducks somehow got caught or it was a rout

Holy shit.

Ogbah was even better than I thought yesterday.

I wasn't as close to the field the last 2 games as I was yesterday. ;)

He was in beast mode most of the game. He really looked legit.

Shit I wish i'd have known you were there yesterday. We could have got together and I could have checked out that tooth issue.

Yeah he was a terror

Ogbah and Robinson are busting out this year. Contract years for those fellas. They want that money.

Most people that watch don't have a ****ing clue as to whats really going on. It's so simple, they just line up and smash!

If you're going to lambaste Veach for Frank Clark, then you have to give him a ridiculous amount of credit for getting Ogbah for Eric ****ing Murray.

Well? We are waiting.:Poke:

So far Clark looks like the worst player on that D Line. Okafor has even been pretty good besides getting juked by Lamar

That's because he's doing his job.

The absurd luck that the Ravens got yesterday usually results in a win.

It didn't.

Because we are just that damn good.

The game was nowhere near as close as the score showed.

PFF grades him poorly for the season

"PFF IS JUST A BUNCH OF LOSERS WHO DONT KNOW FOOTBALL"

PFF says Clark had 4 pressures and may have played well yesterday

"SEE KING, TOLD YOU HE PLAYED GREAT!"

Should have said sometime tomorrow,got work to do. Also it doesn't matter what anyone says it's a god damn Frank Clark circle jerk in here right now. I'm going to go with Bill Maas' opinion over any of you guys. He says hes not getting it done and says that he's not getting doubled teamed. A "terror"? Lmao, show me one god damn clip of him being a terror.

So we gave up a 1st and a 2nd and 100 mil for someone to look like the worst player on the line? And that's his job?

That's a terrible waste of resources then. Clowney could have filled that role and been a lot cheaper. Or spread the money out and keep our draft picks and get multiple good players so they cant just run to the opposite side and get 7 yards a carry.

:facepalm:

Yea that’s when we’re talking about their grades/rankings. Nobody said they’re incapable of simply counting pressures.

ROFL

Shocking that they would do that considering that's basically all you do...play the contrarian to every point and use both sides of an issue to pretend you are right

For what they gave up and the way they talked about him, he's been underwhelming to that level.

If he helps them in the playoffs get over the hump, who cares though.

Seahawks got Clowney for a 3rd round pick next year and didn't have to give him a new deal. We should have done that and then used the saved picks to fix the left side of the defense where they're gashing us on the run.

He most certainly didn't look like the worst player on the line yesterday. I was sitting about 20 feet behind the Chiefs sideline. The Ravens gameplanned around Frank Clark. The Ravens obviously know who and what Frank Clark is.

There's been improvement from game to game, so that's promising.

We had two 2nd round picks and both of them are contributing as starters right now.

The 1st round pick they gave up for Clark wasn't going to "fix the defense" anymore than trading it might.