that video was shot from tattooine for certain.

Oh hell Coyote already posted it. Never mind.

I mean, it wasn't shakespeare, but the tweet I read from him expressed admiration and best wishes. Not sure why it's douchey.

Kobe you were my idol... period. Mentality through and through. Thank you. To your family, I wish y’all nothing but the very best. Prayers and thoughts with you don’t begin to describe what we want for y’all. Love and respect to #8 & #24 forever. #MambaMentality #Mamba



What a douche! /s

"Too low for a flight following" just means they can't grab you on radar and is pretty common.

Would be shocked if this isn't a situation where the pilot got trapped in a front, tried to get out of it as visibility fell to hell and in the process drove it into a mountain.

Probably a good pilot but went up when he shouldn't have.

1. Ya'll is a southern U.S. word that, while informal, is completely acceptable. My guess is he was writing as he would have talked.

2. Again, it's not Shakespeare, but it's an expression of best wishes. Only way I can see having a problem is because you hate Baker Mayfield and assume everything he says is insincere.

out of respect to the bryant family, i have pulled my posts. can you do the same? :thumb:

Done, girlfriend.

i picked the wrong thread to make the point, my bad. :thumb:

‘We’re Standing Here Heartbroken in the House That Kobe Bryant Built’

- Alicia Keys, as she opened the show.

Kobe was a great family man? Really?

That's the narrative. Maybe he was?

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en...bryant-tribute

He cheated on his wife, right?

Relax. Not a big deal.

Yes, but he did buy her a gigantic diamond ring afterward, and the rape charges were eventually dropped. Try not to be so judgy.

That’s not “judgy”, it’s a statement of fact.

I'm not convinced that makes him a bad family man. Bad husband for sure. But then again, who says they don't have an agreement there. Especially in his industry.

The agreement was one multi million dollar diamond ring per dalliance I guess? Come on.

Why not. Justin Timberlake has a clause in his papers. He pays big when he cheats. Life goes on.

****ing rich people man.

A very important message about life not being guaranteed, by an expert on the topic:



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">God Bless Kobe and his family. <a href="https://t.co/wnd8aTaoXX">pic.twitter.com/wnd8aTaoXX</a></p>&mdash; O.J. Simpson (@TheRealOJ32) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRealOJ32/status/1221528699628994560?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 26, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

before he had kids. So, yeah he could still be a great father and family man to them.

word. I think it is a pretty good guess that the dude was rolling along. Weather got bad tried to turn around and pull up and since you can't just stop and hover he flew into mountain.

I think one thing the guys on The Pros Helicopter podcast were talking about was just how good of a Pilot StringfellowHawk had to be to get Airwolf out of that fake canyon and into Supersonic speed with old balls dom in the back smelling like ben gay

He was also like 23 years old

It's heartbreaking to think of them going down and him knowing he couldn't do anything to protect his daughter. Whatever flaws the guy had and possibly heinous act he committed in 2003, he was obviously a very loving Dad who did a TON for women's and girl's basketball. As someone who hates the Lakers and was never much of a Kobe fan when he was playing, this has me way more shook than I ever would have expected.

It appears the helicopter didn’t go down but flew directly into the mountain at a high rate of speed. They passengers likely didn’t know what happened to them.

Kobe was a god in Los Angeles, so this hurts especially with those photos with his Daughter. She had a full life of promise ahead of her, it’s gut wrenching.

Those comments. LMAO

OJ is weird.

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It sounds weird to say but that makes me feel better I guess. At least they only had seconds or less to process what was happening.

Yeah I decided to play a poker tournament today at Hollywood Park. The whole time, all TVs in the place kept showing clips of Kobe with Gigi. Just heartbreaking.

wow! haven't been around on the topic for a bit since earlier this afternoon. It jumped from 5 dead to 9?!

Yeah once you get out of Malibu there aren’t any canyon walls...

Looking like CFIT.

It had to be terrifying for the pilot. The passengers probably didn’t have a clue unless the pilot gave away how tense the situation was.

I’ve flown in situations when unforcasted weather moved in, and it is intense. You have to have the guts to make the decision to divert and wait. It’s harder than it sounds.

A very few times in my career I got pushed pretty hard by the passengers to fly into situations that were not safe. I stood my ground and pissed them off, but when people realize they are arguing with a guy that’s trying to save his own life they usually back off.

This pilot might have been pressured into doing something he knew wasn’t safe. Every single pilot with any decent amount of time has experienced this.

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...icopter-safety

Likely. Bad judgment. Guys always say, “ He was a good pilot, right up until....’

Debris field and impact scar point to flying into the earth in controlled flight. Possible mechanical in flight. But probably not transmission, tail rotor or main rotor drive train based on impact/debris. If so ,little time to cut power/ reduce torque off the tail rotor- the cause of violent spinning from that earlier helo crash video.
If loss of power but drive train is functioning. Here’s where the “good pilot stuff” comes in. Again the impact scar doesn’t point to that.

“ Loss of situational awareness led to ground impact resulting in occupiable living space being reduced”

i read that they were climbing at the time and then it just started to dive rapidly and at the moment of impact it was traveling at around 184mph. i bet everyone on board except for the pilot even knew what was going on and i bet they didn’t even know what was coming

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...0200126/1708ZZ

Flight profile. Linked earlier

Last tracks show climb. Minor descent previously.

Terrain avoidance? Others here know that terrain much better than me. Also points to powered flight.

Some pilots think flying instruments is a near emergency. Some helo guys think IFR equals “I Follow Roads.” We know from the comms that this guy was requesting special Visual flight rules and following roads when the controllers are sequencing IFR traffic, and dealing with a wave off or go around-likely due to weather.

I guess I don’t have much sympathy for the aviating just for Koby, his daughter, and the other occupants.

That helicopter's estimated cost is approximately $13 Million US and can seat up to 12

Sikorsky builds good machines and Koby”s S76 is a solid executive helo.

“The pilot eventually headed north along the 118 freeway before turning to the west, and started following above the 101 freeway around Woodland Hills, CA.

At around 9:40 AM they encounter more weather—as in seriously heavy fog—and the chopper turned south. This was critical, because they turned toward a mountainous area.

The pilot suddenly and rapidly climbed from about 1200 feet up to 2000 feet. However, moments later—around 9:45 AM—they flew into a mountain at 1700 feet. Flight tracker data shows they were flying at about 161 knots.”


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...be-bryant.html

So I've had a day to process this one and it still just stings. A lot.

I've been a Lakers fan since the early 90s so obviously this one gets to me a bit, but it's more than that. A fair amount more.

Sports heroes are funny - for most of us them we were either just a little too young to fully recall their entire careers or they came just a little too late in our lives to really imprint on us. Ozzie Smith was my guy growing up but I have no recollection of the first 2/3 of his career. And by the time I was 18-20 years old, someone like Yadi just doesn't have the impact on me that he might have had when I was younger.

So to really get the full impact of that kind of phenomenon you really need to have them come along in a sweet spot of about 10-16 years old. You're old enough to remember everything about their careers but young enough to still be in awe of them. I was 14 when the Lakers drafted Kobe. I remember the trade when we sent out Divac and the fascination with this ludicrously precocious kid who was set to play with Van Exel and Eddie Jones. I was old enough to appreciate the gravity of the moment and young enough to stand in awe of it.

Which brings us to the part of all this that REALLY hurts for men of a particular age - these guys that are 33-40 years old. Kobe was so damn young when he arrived on the scene that he was still almost a contemporary. We went through the same stages in our lives at the same times he did. We were starting out professionally as he was exploding onto the national landscape. Most of us hit that lull in our mid-20s that comes with the working world right around the time he was starting to slog through the post-Shaq lakers and the sexual assault stuff. When he had his 2nd ascension we were finding our way in our lives, professionally and personally through our late 20s. And when he was having moments with his children and his athleticism was fading, we were feeling the same pressures; the same excitements and disappointments that came with maturation and age.

He grew up from the same piss and vinegar teenager to seasoned, accomplished adult just when we were. He was maturing into a father and industry leader at the same times we hoped we were. We saw so much in him that we could relate to that just so rarely comes from sports figures.

Sadly, I'm getting a little numb to loss in the athletic world at this point. As a fan of the Chiefs (Thomas), Cardinals (Kile), Blues (Demitra) and now Lakers - this shit is getting a little more routine than I'd like. But man this one just hits hard because those guys were adults when I was a kid. They were 15-20 years older than me and so it was losing a sports figure more than it was losing someone who you watched grow up with the same issues you did at the same time you did.

This one's different. This was a fiercely driven type A personality who we observed learn how to properly channel all that fire in real-time. And who's struggles with that confusion we could relate to. And when he triumphed and re-prioritized, we related to that as well. My oldest daughter is 6 years old and to see those videos of Kobe and his girls at similar ages in full color and high resolution makes it all the more staggering. I've never seen my little girl drill a turnaround jumper at the sports academy I founded, but I've saw her drive a liner up the box for the T-Ball team I coached and her excitement (and my pride) was no different. That video of Kobe w/ his daughter that's going viral is a moment I've had with my little girl when I'm trying to discuss a fielders stance and you can just see the light come on. I've said this before but for fathers, daughters are such a unique and sacred trust that they change you a lot and we saw that in a hundred different ways with Kobe. And those of us that are fortunate enough to have daughters of our own knew all too well what he was feeling in those moments because we had 'em at the same time.

Yeah, he was a global icon and a zillionaire but for 20 of my most formative years, Kobe just wasn't that different from me and you could see it those private moments. Then to see it just...end. Man - this isn't how it was supposed to go.

And that just sucks so damn much.

I'm with you I don't think the guy was a great family man although he seemed to be a great Dad. Still a terrible tragedy to see a guy that young who had so much going for him die unexpectedly. Sucks..

When he was 25.

And if that's the extent of what you understand about Kobe Bryant and his maturation, then just stay the **** out of the thread.

Prick.

You think??? :rolleyes:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B7t-L3Jj...d=i1glca7z2yxu

**** flying. I know we have some pilots on here and idk how the hell you get through something like in this video. That's scary AF.

That video is nothing.

Shoot an approach when you have mountainous terrain surrounding you and the ceiling is at minimums.

That will pucker your ass.

Slight decent....trying to get under the ceiling to see.

We've all heard stories directly from guys that do this, it's just insane to me.

I can imagine terrain avoidance is worthless when you are that close to the ground, too. Everything would be red.

180+ mph??

Why on earth would someone in a helicopter be flying so fast when they couldn't see?

I'm not a pilot (but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night), but I think I'd scale back to 30-40 mph until I got some visibility. Call me crazy....

It’s just crazy to me because he’s only two years older than I am and I have a daughter that’s less than one year younger than the one that the family just lost. I’m not even a Lakers fan and I can see how big of a loss this is. Not only because of him but also because of his daughter.

Definitely sucks. Never know when it is going to be your time to go. Gotta make the most of the time we have because tomorrow could be your last day.

Just turned 42 with a 12 year old daughter I plan on teaching to fly when she is old enough.

Yeah, this one caught my attention.

It's been 24 hours of just trying not to man-cry.

Youngsters.......

wow, kobe's death has overshadowed superbowl monday on most of the sports talk shows

:/

One would think, but being a Chiefs fan skews the age/years ratio.

Think of it in terms of "Cat Years"

I am around 189 years old in "Chiefs Years".

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Yeah sometimes you actually earn your flight pay.

Like I said earlier, I been involved in many “long green table” aviation mishap boards from both sides of the table. I’ve buried far too many Marines and friends to have much sympathy left for poor judgement.


In my old type of flying, it’s dangerous enough without poor head work.


I’ have done stupid as well. I’m not aware of stupid aviation immunity. While my stupider aviation stuff was in my youth, and always single pilot. I think how stupid and lucky then I was.

In those or similar SOCAL conditions, below mins, to EL TORO, Tustin, Pendleton, or Miramar, I As a primary F/W guy but single piloting a Cobra attack Helo would do the below under some misguided view that I had to get there:

I would cross over on the Ocn Tacan till feet wet, cancel my IFR, and start an IMC instrument let down till 100 feet using the radar altimeter and visually picking up the waves and sneaking in, then hitting the VFR airfield reporting points and asking for a Special V entry. Seems to be this guys plan minus the IFR flight plan/rules.

So I know helo stupid as well. I just feel for Koby and the passengers not at the controls.

You earlier mentioned pressures to get the job done in poor conditions. I agree BUT there’s 1 aircraft commander. His call. His actions. Likely killed others.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RIPKobe?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RIPKobe</a> �� <a href="https://t.co/Bd7eR2n59D">pic.twitter.com/Bd7eR2n59D</a></p>&mdash; Max Frishberg (@MaxaMillion711) <a href="https://twitter.com/MaxaMillion711/status/1221551830989099008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 26, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

You must be one miserable MFer.



We can all use a little Mamba mentality.

Thanks for all the great memories.

RIP Mamba.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/CBSLA?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CBSLA</a> has identified all 9 people aboard the helicopter that killed Kobe Bryant &amp; Gianna Bryant, 13<br>-John Altobelli, wife Keri and daughter Alyssa<br>-Christina Mauser<br>-Sarah Chester &amp;daughter Payton Chester<br>-Ara Zobayan, pilot<a href="https://t.co/0W6MXWZ1n1">https://t.co/0W6MXWZ1n1</a>…/kobe-bryant-crash-who-wa…/ <a href="https://t.co/idL1uIxLGQ">pic.twitter.com/idL1uIxLGQ</a></p>&mdash; Trang Do (@TrangDoCBS3) <a href="https://twitter.com/TrangDoCBS3/status/1221751897599758336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Reading the posts here, it sounds very similar to what happened to Patsy Cline when she died in a Cessna that flew right into a cliff. Have any of you pilots ever looked at her plane crash? Just curious.;)

Question for Cp pilots: Why fly a helicopter - which doesn't have to maintain any certain airspeed in order to stay up - 180+ mph when you can't see? Why not hover or at least move forward extremely slowly until you get some better visibility? And don't they have radar/crash avoidance systems? It just doesn't make sense.

She was on her way home from performing at Memorial Hall in KCK when her plane crashed.

"We have to be there on time"

Too many instances of this.

Both Buddy Holly's crew and Patsy Cline's were offered free rooms and meals to wait until adverse we as ther cleared, but they all wanted to quickly reach their destinations...

Only thing I could come up with too.

My 2014 Grand Cherokee has crash avoidance, so I would presume a helicopter used by Kobe would be at least similarly equipped. Isn't there some type of siren that goes off before you go careening face first into a mountain?

If not, let's you and me start a business.

Sad part is, with 9 people you know someone got there late, and he felt pressure/the need to push it.

It's why I generally want to beat some of my fellow passengers in their faces when they bitch about delays due to weather. I don't need to be anywhere that badly that requires me to risk my life in unsafe flying conditions. Educate yourself first before you complain about such things.

Exactly.

The guy is intelligent and his account is detailed.

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We call it "get-home-itis." Been guilty of going down that road once or twice. Probably the nastiest gremlin of them all.

Jesus. What the hell was the pilot thinking?

Oh man. ****.

Christna Mauser's husband, Matt Mauser...... The couple have three young children ages 3, 9 and 11.

https://imagesvc.meredithcorp.io/v3/...ina-mauser.jpg

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Plus extra credit for the old school TWA hat.

Damn

So do we kinda think the pilot just got disoriented and flew into the mountain?

**** man. Damn it

This has hit me pretty hard. Damn

I hadn’t really thought of it from this perspective but that’s a hell of poignant post.

We’re pretty close to the same age and our kids are close in age and in retrospect, there is a lot of truth there. And as a guy who’s pretty hardheaded and tries to do things by the sheer force of will more often than I’d like to admit, the correlations you drew to Kobe hit especially hard for me, too.

I’d like to take this opportunity to remind you that you’re older than me. :D

As someone who is in the aviation field, that man is ex-aviation.

It's not the TWA hat either, but the terminology he's using and the descriptions given.

The whole accident is just heartbreaking.....

He says they were going 3-4 mph? So perhaps they were looking to land but just couldn’t see where?

Everyone at work (I'm in aviation) and myself all agree that the flying conditions were piss poor and the pilot got disoriented.

Plus from the initial ADS-B information, you can see the vertical speed drops, but altitude & ground speed never change. That's USUALLY the case for an aircraft that slams into terrain, buildings, etc.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPPIgLoX...jpg&name=large

Definitely. I know all of what he’s saying but there is no way I’d be thinking about it when I heard it.