CEH is a very different runner than Damien Williams or even Shady.

Williams is a one-cut speed guy. He needs a hole to accelerate through. I wouldn't consider him shifty, though he does have decent power and can break tackles.

With his ELITE stop-start-initial burst, paired with his patience and ability to set up blocks, CEH can make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

That shiftiness and elusiveness will make the OL look better than it is simply because he can create things even when there is no initial hole.

Yeah. Something like 450 touches and only 1 fumble.

Agreed. Giving up a 2nd in this loaded draft is like giving up a mid-to-late 1st in most drafts.

This kid is going to be on fire on Reid’s screen passes. Holy shit.

Our 1-2 combo is deadly

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Damien Williams was one of the best RB&#39;s in the league in 2019, when he was on the field. <br><br>Rush attempts per broken tackle leaders:<br><br>1. Alvin Kamara 5.9<br>2. Damien Williams 7.4 ��<br>3. Aaron Jones 7.4<br>4. Ronald Jones 7.5</p>&mdash; ThirdStringQB (@Third_String_QB) <a href="https://twitter.com/Third_String_QB/status/1251981690014064640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Putting up numbers like Westbrook did out of the backfield as a receiver is what would make this pick worth a 1st rounder. I think that's the overall appeal to Veach in Reid is how good he was in college in that regard. Improving the run game has nowhere near the correlation with winning as does improving passing efficiency and effectiveness, and CEH may just provide that. I'm hoping for it.

I think he’s going to improve the passing game out of the backfield and also improve the short yardage game as well. He’s not a bulldozer but he has the vision and the burst to pick the hole and accelerate through it.

Screen passes, wheel routes, even short stop routes are lethal with his change of direction and quickness. Teams will consider putting one of their better cover safeties on him only to remember they still got Kelce and Reek to deal with. There is no good answer.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brett Veach also said that when the draft got within 5-6 selections from the Chiefs, Eric Bieniemy started texting him saying, “Go get him, bro!&quot;</p>&mdash; Arrowhead Addict (@ArrowheadAddict) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArrowheadAddict/status/1253690580258914309?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I'm perfectly fine with a running back after Murray and Ruiz were gone.

Then you still got to deal with Mecole and Sammy

Per Schrager, CEH was going early to mid second. This is not a reach at all. More than one GM was throwing clipboards at this pick. Simms said this was the best RB in the draft.

Amen brother

Except you forget about the value of the fifth year option. If this kid is as good as most believe he will be then we will all be glad for that fifth year option.

Yep Veach said yesterday he’s excited to have CEH for the next five years

Amen brother

Well don't be. Watch all of those backs play every down. Not just highlights. But every down you can find. And then watch CEH. He's undeniably the best back. Here, Veach will explain why:

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Truth :thumb:

Used more as a receiver than even McCaffrey. This guy is going to be everywhere and will produce similar production. He’s going to be just like McCaffrey as a receiving back.

We’ll think of this dude as a small receiver rather than RB.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Over the last five years, I have only charted 6 running backs that have been split out wide as receivers on at least 20% of their routes:<br><br>* Marlon Mack (38%) <br>* Clyde Edwards-Helaire (35%)<br>* Christian McCaffrey (31%)<br>* Josh Jacobs (26%)<br>* C.J. Prosise (22%)<br>* Alvin Kamara (21%)</p>&mdash; Graham Barfield (@GrahamBarfield) <a href="https://twitter.com/GrahamBarfield/status/1253082290554454017?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I’m not in this camp but there are people suggesting we trade Damien Williams. I think this would be dumb. Williams provides a lethal 1-2 combo with CEH

I can see Clyde and D Will on the field at the same time. He’s like a Darren Sproles in the way he can be used

Or just turn on his tape against Alabama and have your jaw drop to the floor.

It’s impossible not to love this guy after watching that game. It’s his “Mahomes vs LSU” tape

That's kind of where I was. Murray, Queen and Ruiz were gone, along with the first tier of CB's.

CEH will take pressure off of the pass rush. He's great insurance for when/if Damien Williams isn't 100%.

Not like he brings much at this point. Have them both this year. See how it works and then if you don't want to bring Williams back in 2021 fine. But given injuries to the position being 3 deep is right where you need to be.

Fun little tidbit. Veach played against Brian Westbrook in college as a player

The context of your description is how they use to talk about Marshall Falk. Though I'm not making that comparison, different players. But the impact will be similiar.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Our BMF GM Brett Veach:<br>-Intentionally leaked the Ruggs rumor on purpose to get the Raiders to get scared and draft him out of fear <br>-Got the PERFECT RB to stop the Cover 3 BS <br>-Got the ONE player our very own QB Mahomes asked for <br><br>And that was only Day ONE Chiefs Kingdom �� <a href="https://t.co/8cn9XtcgJ1">pic.twitter.com/8cn9XtcgJ1</a></p>&mdash; CHIEFS HIGHLIGHTS (@ChiefsHighlight) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsHighlight/status/1253683728100057089?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Liked the pick from the beginning, but the more I learn the more I love it. Smart, smart kid. Humble. Hungry. Incredible talent. Gonna fit perfectly on our team, in our scheme, and in the locker room.

Grand. Freaking. Slam.

#InVeachWeTrust

There's a really good case to be made that if the Chiefs had been better in terms of ball security from their running banks and in short yardage situations, we would've been undefeated last year. This guy takes us over the top.

I think "best back" is a bit subjective. I don't think he's the best runner, but I think he's the best receiver out of the backfield in the class. That's probably most important when you look at the way KC is built though. He's effective running inside or outside, certainly. If this team were more run-heavy, I'd have to say Dobbins trumps him as a runner and is still a good receiver. Either way, we got him now so hopefully he comes through big, unlike that waste of a pick last year.

I love the Westbrook comparison and love the pick for us. Put the offense over the top and never miss a beat.

They were talking on the NFL channel about how other teams were upset we took him because they were planning on taking him early in the second round. I wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t the Bengals at 33.

Mahomes picked him as well.

I think you got that backwards. Williams, and his less than 3.0 ypa (after taking away two runs) will be taking a back seat to CEH.

Some more context here: LSU doesn't throw to running backs. That's not what they do.

Guise caught 32 passes in 3 years.

Fournette caught 31 passes in 3 years.

This kid caught 50 in one year. It's a testament to what LSU thought of him in the passing game.

While true, that’s also due to Joe Brady installing that Saints offense.

If you really wanna see some good cut-ups, find his games vs Arkansas and Texas A&M.

The 'Bama game is obviously impressive due to the magnitude and the talent he was facing, but in terms of sheer entertainment the Arkansas and Texas A&M games are just LMAO LMAO LMAO

I didn’t see it coming in the first, but hot damn it’s exciting

If we take Shenault next, holy shit...

He is going to be a stud.

I didn’t know I could be this excited about a player.

I like his skill set better than Kareem, though they share several traits.

I can't tell you how much I love this pick. CEH is a Swiss army knife. If he learns to pass block, he'll be a 3-down back in no time and playing ahead of Williams.

Veach is a ****ing stud.

Agreed. I just hate it when people say "We could've traded down and still got him!" or "We could have picked this guy in a later round!" as if they have first-hand knowledge of some parallel universe in which that actually happened or were privy to the same information that the GM had regarding the intent of the other 31 teams. It's a ridiculous notion but it's a draft day guarantee somebody will say it when the pick isn't to their liking or goes against all the pre-draft simulators they toyed with.

Man, I am psyched for this pick. He has “it” in spades: great vision, initial burst, balance, and a nice addition of power for between the tackles.

His height combined with his ability to cut will make predicting the gap he is attacking damn near impossible.

While he may lack top-end speed, he is still lethal and will make you pay for a mistake. I’m happy to sacrifice elite top-end speed for elite burst and durability any day.

Welcome to KC, CEH :clap:

I called that in the draft thread. It was waaaay too much smoke all of a sudden.

Apparently Edwards Helaire killed a guy trying to rob him. Was in self defense. Damn not only did we get a stud but we got a stone cold killer as well

Both have good power and balance though kareem seems better. But clyde seems quicker, better burst. As runners it seems close but I like clyde better.

But the receiving blows kareem out of the water. Kareem was a rb who could catch passes. He could catch what he was given. But he can't impact the passing game nearly as much as clyde will.

You think Thornhill will give up #22 to Helaire?

I remember a certain running back who wasn't fast but could burst like a mofo.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is the exact moment I found out that Clyde Edwards-Helaire was going to the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> on last night&#39;s live stream. <br><br>KC&#39;s wildest dream scenario is the rest of the AFC&#39;s worst nightmare. <a href="https://t.co/myoZM5iN9D">pic.twitter.com/myoZM5iN9D</a></p>&mdash; Brett Kollmann (@BrettKollmann) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrettKollmann/status/1253696074734137345?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

****ing awesome.

I see a lot of Kareem , feet balance , maybe better hands, vision , Kareem didn’t have top end speed but great initial burst to avoid the first guy, runs better routes from what I have seen

How does drafting a RB stop Cover 3? LMAO

LMAO

These guys know what they're talking about.

Being able to run from the shotgun is a unique skill-set and it relies a LOT on first step and, more critically, vision.

Those runs are a little slower developing so a 1-cut guy like Williams struggles between the tackle because he rarely gets the read right and if he does he still doesn't do much to set up his blockers are 'dupe' defenders into selling out into the wrong gap.

That's where CEH will REALLY stand out. He's so good at setting up interior blocks and then picking his hole well.

The ability to get 'conventional' results from atypical formations is something people don't really consider. It's why a guy like Taylor, who would probably be better than CEH in a typical 'pro style' setup wouldn't be as effective here. CEH can run from the shotgun in a way typically reserved for formations from under center. He can still grind up the middle because of his ability to set up blocks and make elite jump cuts into holes at the last possible second.

He's a perfect player for us. Positional value may be a question and need almost certainly is (we definitely have more dire needs elsewhere), but as far as the player himself goes, there's just not much to argue about. The player is about as ideal for this team as you could ask for.

The four consecutive jump cuts at the 2:18 mark of this vid are simply absurd...cybernetic implant absurd.

Maybe we can finally stop making annoying threads dreamily wishing for Kareem to come back now.

I went to bed happy.

I woke up ecstatic.

I think if Andy asked Thornhill to jump, he'd say how high.

Yeah he would give Clyde the number.

The spin move he pulls in that video is ****ing ridiculous. Watching how fast he can move his feet and jump cut is just bananas

Chris Simms said it best a few days ago (he mocked CEH to the Chiefs as his "dream scenario").

Imagine Tyreek Hill, Sammy Watkins, Travis Kelce, Mecole Hardman all flying around doing their thing. Who the **** is left to cover Edwards Helaire?

Just look at Reid's game plan and usage in the SB if you wanna know how Reid attacks the cover 3.

Now you add a back that makes people look stupid in space, has outstanding hands and vision and elite agility.

GL trying to cover him with a LB LMAO

Man....you can just imagine our passing game/recievers completely clearing out the first 10 yards of the field while CEH is left either alone, or 1v1 with some poor sap LB.

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Give Thornhill 21. Don't think Breeland cares too much what his number is.

Naaaah.

You could argue LB. That's about it.

I don’t think I was the only guy last year screaming at Damien through my tv” how the****didyou not see that huge ass holenumbnuts”

I think this guy fixes that

I have been working from home for a little over a month, and haven't really been able to get into the draft like I have in previous years, so I am not familiar with a lot of the other running backs.

But, am I the only one that watched the National Championship game and thought wow, it would be awesome to have CEH in our offense? I have 3 distinct memories from that game. 1. Burrow may be the best college QB that I have seen outside of Mahomes since Manning. 2. If I could pick any player from the game to add to the our roster it would be Simmons. That dude is a perfect safety/linebacker combo. And 3. CEH would be an absolute monster in our offense.

CEH just stood out from everyone else, like Burrow and Simmons did. They were clearly the 3 best players on the field.

Veach and Reid seemed just as excited by his football IQ, as they did his physical talents. It seems clear that he impressed the entire staff during his interview at the combine.

I am almost as excited for this pick as I was when we moved up and drafted a QB in the first round.

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No one is trading for wither of those guys,

Good grief.

The spin move on McKinney

The running Diggs over

Just wow... :whackit:

You’re reeruned for your value

Great find! This is CLASSIC! ROFLROFLROFL

IOL, IMO. DE is sneaky thin (since Speaks sucks, K-Pass is in a contract year and Okafor is a likely cut candidate next season).

But the value wasn't there at either anymore at IOL or LB so I get it.

Kareems impact as a receiver is overstated. He was a rb with great hands. But he had a limited route tree and lined up in the backfield for all but a handful of snaps. You can line clyde up wide, in the slot, and he knows how to beat man and zone. And he runs a full route tree. This is a perfect monster that runs like kareem, catches like Damien williams.

My only concern is with how dangerous he'll be as a receiver... Can he pass protect. Other than that this dude is going to be a nightmare.

Highly recommended to wait for it at the end... LMAO

I seriously doubt it.

And the ****er owes me a big apology, as do a few others.

Not a fan of taking a RB in the first round.

And....

Jonathan Taylor 5-11 220 4.38 40, CEH 5-8 208 4.60

But.....no real big deal, CEH can play and his ability to catch the ball adds another weapon to an already great passing game.

OMG :eek:

I'll do you one better - the 2019 LSU squad may be the best in college football HISTORY. Apart from one of those Miami squads that had a very limited Ken Dorsey at QB but absurd talent everywhere else, I can't think of another contender.

I mean that schedule they had to pound through and with as thoroughly as they were beating really good teams...that was just an incredible team.

Clemson, Oklahoma, Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Texas. That's SEVEN wins against top 10 teams in 2019. Has anyone ever come close to that before?

Burrow, CEH, Jefferson, Lewis, Cushenberry and Charles are all good to great college players on offense. Queen, Chaisson, Fulton, Deplit and Stingley on defense are the same.

I just have a real hard time believing that isn't the best season by a college football team of all time. It's just incredible.

I'm sorry I don't think I'd want to be associated with **** lube.

It's all about fit with the system. CEH is like a hand that slides perfectly into the glove of this offense. This is gonna be so fun to watch.

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Yeah that guy sure as hell doesn't want to tackle.

The value guys are cracking me up.

This kid is a strong, strong candidate...and imo, LIKELY winner for OROY and will be a featured player in this offense. He completely changes how teams have to defend the Chiefs because they MUST account for him every down, while already committing resources to Mahomes and our bevy of receivers. You can't just over-commit to our receivers anymore because if you give this guy a shallow box he'll break off 4-6 yards a carry in your ass every time.

How is that NOT worth the #32? I don't get it.

We're talking about a guy who will likely be a top 5 player at his position in terms of total production next season.

Yeah, the value is absolutely there. Production is production, man. It's hard to argue with production and it's even harder to imagine this kid, with THAT skill set, not being productive in this system with this supporting cast.