Just watched the Bucs game again. Boy did Sneed have a terrible game

I think the only option to get rid of him would be to do what the Rams did with Goff. Try and trade him with some picks. Hopefully there will be a willing taker as there are plenty of teams with awful defences.

1. Do whatever it takes to fix the offensive line.
2. If there's the opportunity, add a decent pass rusher but don't do it at the cost of #1.

Reid has been fine with WR beyond round 1 throughout his career, I'm not worried about that.

TRADE BACK!!!!!!!!

Use whatever extra pick(s) on OL.

If the point from moving on from Sammy is we need someone that is likely to be healthy TY doesn't fit that criteria.

He is very talented but has been injury prone recently.

If he comes super cheap, sure.

One FA I’d really look into if the price is right is KJ Wright. He’s a lot more rangy than Damien Wilson and he’s very balanced.

Whatever it takes to make sure that shit stain Neimann doesn’t see the field

I trust Burt

One thing I’m loving about mock drafts I’ve looked at is there seems to be some real depth at the majority of our major need areas.

Veach always talks about letting the depth of a position in a draft class or FA class guide decision making.

Draft is deep at OL, FA is deep with receivers.

Well let’s pretend they bring Osemele back as he clearly loves being a Chief. Based on the draft depth alone at OL, they could get two long-term starting caliber players along the OL in the first 100 picks. Especially if they trade back from 31 and add another day 2 pick.

You could leave the draft with short and long term answers along the OL AND still use quality resources at other needs. I’m thinking WR in free agency probably. If you could make the Jason Kelce thing happen, options really open up.

I'd restructure and resign guys like Mathieu, Jones, Mahomes etc. Guys you know are still in their prime during the deal etc.

I'd flip a 4th rounder to the Eagles for Kelce and do something financially to get that money under control and better for KC.

I'd take a swing and sign Osemele to play LG. Thats a shot, but if it works out, thats what you need in the middle. Put LDT at RG.

I'd look at the tackles in the draft and see waht I like. See what's going on with Schwartz and go from there.

Ideally, if we get a little lucky, you could spend a 4th round pick and go into next year with a OL of

Niang-Osemele-Kelce-LDT-Schwartz

It may not work out. But for just a 4th, thats got some real potential.

Exact copy of the offseason that I posted in the draft thread.

You copied me.

If I could sign one decently big free agent, it woudl be Hassan Reddick

Bitch, I posted mine yesterday.

Would love Hassan Reddick but I don’t see how that guy doesn’t get paid big. Some team will want an athletic former first rd pick like him

He'd be nice across from Clark.

Some Gm's with balls are gonna win this offseason.

Hell no to Osemele and LDT as your 2 starting Gs. Both are injury prone and put us at a higher risk of ending right back where we were.

It's not ideal. I'd probably draft another one or something in the mid rounds.

But it's more likely the route you will have to go from a financial spot.

Seriously. LDT has been available for 30 games the past 3 seasons he's suited up for us. That does not include his opt out season. For comparison, Sammy Watkins has been available for 34 games his 3 years here.


He's less reliable than HAMMY TWATKINS.

Hey, guys, I know! Let's just go to the Offensive Line forest and pick us 5 new awesome linemen off those trees! Duh! So easy.

Dude, you have unrealistic expectations and you’re setting yourself up for disappointment.

The Chiefs will sign guys like Remmers and Osemele while drafting a couple guys too.

They aren’t going to sign any top free agents.

And they’ll be fine because the OL wasn’t even much of an issue until they had Remmers and Wylie as their bookends.

Dane Brugler and Matt Miller both have us taking Landon Dickerson, OG/OC in the first round.

Just 1 is not ideal, but whatever. Out of your goddamned minds if you think pencilling in both those brokedicks to be starters is a good idea.

The offense was completely fine when Remmers was at RT.

Penciling them in as starters is fine as long as we also improve our depth. The goal is to make sure we never have those 2 as our T’s again. As long as we do that, we’ll be alright.

Idk that injuries are something you can be too predictive of when it comes to linemen. They all seem to get hurt at different times, especially how LDT did with guys falling on his legs.

Even iron man Schwartz couldn’t last forever.

Just get as many capable ones as you can.

Osemele tore both his knee ligaments running down the field. After his myriad of injury issues throughout his career, I think you can pretty confidently put him in the brokedick tier.

Don't disagree. At all. But he's gonna be cheap. And if he's healthy, you can get a big surplus of value from him if he stays healthy. I'd also draft some guys in there, but you're gonna have to hit on something here.

When I say sign him, I’m saying for the minimum.

Because if he does play, especially in the playoffs, the value is likely to be tremendous.

I think a lot of times there's a physical ceiling with low picks and UDFA's. There are exceptions (small school, or poor coaching, etc.)

I think what we ran into is what happens when injuries plus the limitations of developing depth from low range talent combined.

We won't be signing high end FA's I don't think, but yes, some lower end vets will be necessary. Osemele, if he can play would be great. Remmers probably returns although I sincerely hope he's not starting.

And Niang you have to hope hits. and you're going to need to draft a couple.

And hope that maybe a Darryl Williams, or Prince Wanegho can play.

We also got an incredibly lucky draw through the AFC side of the playoff bracket this year that helped mask our OL woes.

Cleveland was playing without Vernon and Garrett was on a snap count and clearly hurting when he did play.

Buffalo had a good chunk of their DL on the IR and their DEs really aren't that good at rushing the passer anyway.

Hell, we almost lost the Falcons game and a chance to lock up HFA early because Grady Jarrett made the IOL his collective bitch.

That doesn't seem to be all that great of value at #31.

I'd rather DE or one of the OT's.

I’d bring him back and put him on the practice squad for quality depth.

LMAO Sign him to the PS and hold him until the playoffs? That'd be hilarious if it happened.

Nope.

In Miller’s case he states that it’s what he’s hearing....not what he would do.

Not a fan of drafting a lineman coming off an ACL tear to fix the line.

He’s hearing the Chiefs want Dickerson?

Could you post the quote please?

Not necessarily the player.

Analysis: There should be one mission in Kansas City this off-season: Protect Patrick Mahomes.

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Landon Dickerson is talented but please Veach say no to broke dicks:

I’m fine with calling that the top priority, but it’s hardly the only thing we need to do.

We need a second legit WR. Watkins can be that guy, but he couldn’t stay healthy or even produce consistently. I don’t think the guy we need is on the roster currently unfortunately.

We need more pass rush. If Jones and Clark aren’t getting 8-12 sacks each with consistent pressure, then we need another edge rusher to give us 6-8 sacks.

PASS

What a coincidence. I agree with everything you said.

So ignore all other needs and only address OL?

I’m curious, would you go OL in the 1st and 2nd?

If the board falls right and the WR, DE, and OL talent when it's your time to choose is near equivalent, then absolutely yes.

And literally nobody has said that they shouldn’t do that.

Now what if DE and WR, not OL, are clearly BPA for our first 2 picks?

I'll take it a step further and say if the WR and DE talent is marginally better than the OL talent I'd still take the OL.

Then I'd say you should've traded up for an OT in the first.

Looking at Matt Miller’s mock and man oh man is this draft filled with a ton of quality OL and receivers.

I’m gonna be on the trade down train all the way to the draft.

Juan Thornhill, Rashad Fenton, Nick Allegretti, L’Jarius Sneed, Mike Danna, Tershawn Wharton, Mecole Hardman. All these guys were available from the mid 2nd rd on.

This staff has been one of the best in the league at scouting and finding these gems. Trade back, load your picks up and trust your board to fill our needs.

That's exactly the kind of mistake we don't want.

The only thing worse than having a shitty line would be having a shitty line that we spent valuable picks on.

**** value. Draft offensive line. Got it.

Yep. The most valuable thing the Chiefs can do this Offseason is ensure Mahomes stays upright and protected to the best of their ability.

Yeah uh this pretty much bolded in gigantic text in draft history on the “what to not do” section

And then when we have no pass rush? Or Hill goes down and we have dick at WR?

the Allegretti love around here is a bit much. He's fine. He's a backup IOL spot starter.

I am not trying to interrupt you alls conversation here, but that has to depend on who is there and how much they are going to be able to help the team.
I don't have a problem with the team going OL in the 1st and 2cd if all the players of other positions that they deemed valuable at those positions are gone. If we can get the OT Jenkins in the first and then the DL, CB, and WR prospects are gone in the 2cd but a top IOL is available then yep that is the best value to upgrade the team.

So just sell it all to get an OT?

Seriously, that makes no sense.

By all means, draft an OT if one is there.

But drafting one out of perceived need, talent or value be damned, is how you end up like the ****ing Texans, not the Chiefs.

We can still win. Our toughest games have come when the opponent gets consistent pressure rushing 4 and dropping 7.

I can't ****ing wait until this team trades up for an OT that starts the season as a backup guard.

That's going to be ****ing AWESOME!

You need an all around roster to win SB's. Can't lock in on a certain spot.

I feel like I'm in a twilight zone when I'm the calm one not freaking out. The Chiefs need to upgrade the OL. They aren't stupid, they will.

I'm excited.

No shit. Nobody wants to see Patrick get demolished by the pass rush. But you have to be realistic.

I feel like you're reacting to what happened in the SB when basically every starter was hurt/opted out and people had to be reshuffled. You gotta take those blinders off, man. We were fine until Fish went down.

Andy Reid said our Oline will be fine and he's optimistic about them going into the 2021 season. Do we need help? Of course. But you can't expect them to spend all of their resources on Oline. That will never happen and it shouldn't happen.

And what happens when you just take whoever is there because they're an OL and they ****ing suck or don't fit the scheme?

Jesus ****ing Christ when have I ever insinuated you'd trade up to just draft any OT? You're trading up to draft an anchor on your line that you're confident is a decade plus starter for you. There's a couple of those in this draft.

I meant go into the draft thinking we have to get OL with our first 2 picks.

I actually feel better taking WR's later, Andy and CO can develop skill players really well.

EVERYONE CALM DOWN.

As you well should be. Free agency and the draft is WIDE OPEN. There's no reason to zero in on anything, the Chiefs have tons of options.

And when that doesn't happen and you've given up 2 or 3 1st round picks to get them?

Come on man. It depends on how high up they would have to trade to get the OT that they wanted and what that compensation was to get there.

They won't.

People are losing their minds because we lost in the Sb playing an OL made up of guys off the street against a top 3 DL in teh league. Shit happens.

I wouldn't have a problem trading up for a LT. If you aren't sold on Fisher coming back and think whoever is the anchor at LT for the next however long, go for it. LT is important.

LMAO I love how you assume the worst is going to happen when the Chiefs draft OL in these hypotheticals. "Every OL the Chiefs could possibly draft will suck. The DEs and WRs won't though, jeez value on the board blah blah blah."

No matter the position that would be a defeatist type attitude. I am sure that you are well aware of that and that is your point.

To get one of the top 4 guys, they're probably going to have to trade 1st round picks.

They traded 2 first round picks to get up to #10 to draft Mahomes. It will likely be that expensive or a bit more to do it this year.

It's simply not worth it when this team has so many needs.

You're assuming the best.

I'm asking valid questions.

You've basically said you're taking an OT no matter what happens. So I'm asking what you do if this or that happens. It's a logical response to somebody who speaks in absolutes and doesn't bother to consider alternative outcomes

Some needs are more important than others though. At some point, you gotta get a LT. It's pretty important.

By the way, assuming the worst would be me saying:

"They will fail."

I'm asking you:

"What happens IF they fail?"

I'm not assuming anything, at all.

I'm asking you to justify your position that they absolutely must take an OT no matter how the board falls.

There's a dozen ways to get one that don't involve giving up a ton of capital to do it.

We're not fans of the Texans.

Veach made a big offer to Andrus Peat last year when Fisher and Schwartz were healthy. He also drafted Niang despite them both being healthy.

He’s going to make moves on the OL.

That, plus seeing #15 running for his life and getting killed. Kinda leaves a lasting impression.

If they wait a little on a WR, I’d prefer that they hedge their bets and grab 2.

Bullshit.

And when that doesn't happen and you've given up 2 or 3 1st round picks to get them?

when

when

when

The odds are, whoever we take at 31 is either a bust or a decent NFL starter based on the history of end of first round picks.

Picks at the end of the first just aren't as valuable as early rounders (I'll concede that to staylor in regards to RB's, still woudln't spend a first on one though) so if you have to trade a couple to get a dude thats a legit NFL stud, do it.