LMAO

You're such a ****ing know-nothing moron and have been since the day you joined.

Also, I wouldnt rule out Brady Christensen. We know Andy loves him some BYU boys.

Cosmi is disqualified from consideration because hedoesn't hit the 33.5 inch arm length threshold

I personally think they’d be willing to sacrifice half an inch for a guy that’s an extremely rare athlete at the position and put up 36 reps on the bench.

I guess we’ll see.

After the top 3, I don't know how much separation there is from 4-10.

That's the bare minimum since 34 inch arm length is the average for NFL starters

This is why I think there's a better than good chance they take a WR or CB at #31, then trade up in the 2nd for their OT of choice.

There's a very, very good chance that the Chiefs can draft a WR that will make an immediate impact at #31 but the OT's at that point are all similar in that none of them are "clean" prospects that will be ready to compete at the necessary level in Week 1.

I'd really hate to see them pass on Marshall or Batemen in favor of a tackle who needs serious development in order to be a competent starter.

The point still stands.

I don’t think they’d go below 33”, but I don’t think a half inch, or even an inch, is that big of a deal when you’re talking about a guy with elite athleticism AND strength.

Not everyone is an outlier

Not everyone checks every other box like he does physically.

You’re talking about a guy with TE athleticism that put up 36 reps on the bench. He IS an outlier on paper.

The Chiefs aren’t just going to ignore that because of a half an inch. It doesn’t mean they won’t possibly like somebody like Leatherwood more who has the desired arm length too, but Cosmi is exactly what they’re looking outside of half an inch.

Yep. Marshall/Bateman in the first and Brown/Little/Forsythe in the 2nd.

As we get closer and closer, this is truly what I want.

I just don’t think the Chiefs go WR in the 1st when it’s all said and done. I hope I’m wrong though.

I will say this, I think the best chance of it happening is Bateman falling into our lap.

Yeah, I think the main reason they don’t go WR in the first is because this class is deep.

And to be honest, I think you could say the same thing about corner class too. That’s another position that I don’t see us going that route unless somebody like Farley or Newsome falls into our lap.

That’s why I think we’re looking at OT or DE at 31.

At this point it’s down to Veach’s top handful of players.

I really think you guys need to keep Asante Samuel Jr in mind. He is an ideal Spags chess piece and could start right away. He can play inside and outside. So much value to be had from that kid.

That’s assuming that DE is bare at 31, which I think is going to happen.

I could see receiver too, but ideally we trade down about 7-8 spots and get Dyami Brown, who I think would kill it in this offense.

It screams trade down to me if they can get someone to trade up.

They may be stuck though. If thats the case, just take the best player on your board and sort it out later.

Get a T in round 2 I guess.

I'd rather trade up for a LT, but I don't think it's feasible.

Yep.

I think we're going to see them go DB in the 1st with DE, WR, and OT being 2nd-4th in no particular order.

Who do you want them to trade up for though?

I don't understand using picks like that when the only way to get a really top notch prospect is to give up a haul and the guys you're getting with a reasonable trade up aren't really that much better than the guys at 31.

This just isn't the right draft to trade up for a LT. Its kind of like 2013 and looking for a QB.

I just don't see a scenario where EVERY DE, WR, and OT with a grade in the same range as the best available CB is gone. I don't see them spending their biggest draft capital on something that doesn't directly support Mahomes. Support your strengths.

I could see a trade back, maybe. But I think a trade up is more likely than standing pat and taking a DB.

Just listened to Paul Alexander on Moving the Chains on my way home from work. Par Kirwan asked him what his top three things he looked for in all the criteria that is available for OT's.

#1 was arm length, and if arm length wasn't there, their recovery skills on tape needed to be there.
#2 was bench press. If they can't bench over 20 reps, it shows more about commitment than anything else.
#3 is the 40 time. If you can run at the size these guys are, you have to be athletic.

Paraphrasing a bit, as I was listening to the radio.

If Niang is the LT this season then a Jenkins selection makes a shitload more sense.

I think they draft a guy regardless.

It's possible that they work Niang and/or draftee at LT during the OTA's and mini-camp to see what's what.

If they feel like neither can handle it, they bring back Fish and take their lumps until he's good to go.

I think it’s a strong possibility but at the same time Duncan Idaho made a great point: Veach is about expanding on Mahomes and helping him, so I could easily see tackle or WR.

But do you see him trading up in the first for a tackle?

If so, who? And why? And can you actually justify the cost?

Darrisaw.

Are you ready to give up this year's first, next year's first and either this year's 3rd or next year's 2nd (at least)?

If so, do you really think that's a good idea for someone who scouts say needs further development and might not be able to start at LT day 1?

From what I've read, yeah. I think he'd be fine to start day one next to Thuney and ends up being an all pro.

So yeah, I'd do it.

I also look at the fact that normally to get a LT, thats about the range you have to get into.

I think they’re gonna let the chips fall as they may and trade up for someone like Jenkins if he’s in range, meaning he falls to the mid 20’s. That wouldn’t cost very much TBH. That’s assuming they want a tackle.

But I truly believe that Andy is adamant that he doesn’t want 2 rookie tackles with zero NFL snaps protecting his QB. I thinkthats why Remmers was told he would be a starter.

If Niang and Remmers are starting then we could easily hold off on OT until rd 2 and sit that player this year and groom them to take over in 2022.

It would be a nice way of building depth on the OL for this year and also building for the future

Yeah, if Niang is the plan at LT, I'd be fine as is and just sit tight.

I don't see the point in trading up for Jenkins when the guys just after him who would probably be available at 31 would cost so much less in terms of draft picks.

If Jenkins is the 4th tackle off the board at say 25 rather than 20, then Cosmi is likely there at 31. I don't see the point in throwing away draft picks like that.

EDIT: At this point, I actually HOPE the plan is to have Niang at LT and Remmers at RT. I'd MUCH rather take a developmental tackle than put a bunch of extra picks into the position. This team NEEDS cheap playmakers going forward above everything else. I get that the goal is to protect Patrick Mahomes. The best way to do that is to build a team with as few weaknesses as possible. They need not only quality starters but quality depth and they need it to be cheap. You can't build a team that way by continuously trading away draft picks.

All this would be based on their internal rankings and such. We just have no clue who they value where.

Which is similar to my thoughts on Darrisaw. If they see him like some of the dudes I've been reading do, yeah, I'd trade up for him and give up an extra first as he'd be more than valuable enough.

It really doesn't matter who they value. There isn't enough differentiation between say Jenkins and Cosmi to justify trading up for one but staying put for the other. If the Chiefs actually value Jenkins THAT much more than Cosmi, I'd have to question their evals, because there's just nothing there to say one is that much better than the other.

You edited after I replied, sorry.

I agree on Darrisaw to a degree. I would absolutely trade up for him. He's enough better than the 4th and 5th guys to be worth trading extra picks.

The problem is the number of picks it might take. If Sewell goes to the Bengals and Slater to the Panthers, Darrisaw would have to get past the Cowboys at 10. Even if the Cowboys took someone else, the Chargers are sitting at 13.

Realistically, you might have to trade MORE than you traded to get Patrick Mahomes. Not only do I not like that idea, I'm not sure we even have the ammo to pull it off considering where we are probably picking the next couple of years.

Here’s what they’ve said:

-they like the depth in this class
-they think Niang can play LT and aspired to put him there
-Remmers is a starting tackle (RT)
-Long has been a pro bowl tackle (RT)

I think that means they like their options in td 2 at RT. Leatherwood, Little, Radunz, Forsythe, Brown.

That would be great bc rd 1 could be their impact player at WR, corner or DE and the developmental tackle could sit and learn for a year with Remmers starting and Long as a backup in case of injury

I really like that plan

Agree 100%. I think that's their plan and I like it as well.

IF thats their plan, I question throwing the kind of coin at Trent Williams they were ready to do.

LT is too important of a spot as they've shown with how they fill it (first overall pick, highest paid player potentially etc).

So I don't think they'd pivot to Niang. Maybe they have to and it works out, but I dont' think that was ever the plan.

Where they'll be picking is the main reason I'd do it. Those guys theyre gonna be drafting in those spots going forward will always be similar to guys they can get in the 2nd round, so if I can use said pick to acquire a guy I think is a legit LT, I'd do it.

The way Reid talked yesterday, Veach is totally opportunistic. In other words, the “plan” wasn’t Trent Williams but when Veach saw a realistic chance to get one of the best tackles in the game, Williams BECAME the plan.

Andy said Veach never stops looking for upgrades period. Every position all the time, he’s always looking.

Eh, thats fine to say. I dunno how much I believe Williams wasn't pretty heavily in the plans once Fisher went down as hard as they went after him.

Of course. My point was if we don’t want those picks, nobody else does either. Those late 1st picks almost always get included in a trade DOWN, not up.

We don’t actually know how hard they tried. We know they gave him a contract offer. Williams never said how many times he talked to the Chiefs about counteroffers. He did talk profusely about how many times he talked to Shanahan. For all we know, Veach threw a big number at him even though Williams knew he was going back to San Francisco and there wasn’t all that much back and forth.

Did you mean to type RT in round 2? Those all look like LT prospects to me.

Didn’t see that the first time. I suppose they could take a LT prospect and put him at RT or move Niang there. It would be nice to have two plus pass protectors in this offense. Schwartz wasn’t your typical RT honestly.

Peter Schrager released his 2nd mock.

He has us taking Greg Newsome, CB.

Offering him the highest paid LT contract in history would be trying pretty hard I'd think.

But either way, no sense crying over it.

If they could get good LT play out of Niang, that would be huge.

Not sure how I would feel about this knowing Terrance Marshall Jr would be there.

So going off of the thought that Niang is going to get the first shot at LT.

LT - Niang, Tega Wanogho
LG - Thuney, Rankin
C - Blythe, Allegretti
RG - Long, LDT, Wylie
RT - Remmers

I don’t know if they want to bring in a LT to compete with Niang or a RT to compete with Remmers. Maybe they think LDT can hold down RG with Wylie and Long will compete with Remmers.

So...

wasn't 2015 Long's last season before the rash of injuries? And didn't he make the pro bowl as a RT in that season?

Isn't it possible that IF he's truly healthy, he might beat out Remmers at RT if Niang is LT?

Yeah the Reid interview indicating that he thought Niang had it in him to move to LT speaks volumes about the offseason to date and could very well dictate how the Chiefs approach the draft. Not only does it mean KC probably wont' go swinging for the fences in the early going to get a guy like Darrisaw but I don't think they really go swinging at all for a tackle. They might be content to take a guy in the right spot and it may not even be a LT they look for.

I put as much stock into Niang moving from RT to LT as I do guys like Brown and Jenkins, if not much more. Niang was absolutely dominant and is athletic. Brown was athletic but not necessarily dominant all the time. Jenkins could be dominant but I don't think he's quite what you want in a LT conversion.

The Chiefs have been eying up Josh Ball from Marshall, who comes with his domestic violence issue at Florida State, but looks like a promising guy at least at RT on early day 3. He did play LT though, so he could have some swing ability.

Right now, I'm eying up Dyami Brown and Peyton Turner for the top 2 picks and let the rest fall where it may. If Brown or Forsythe ends up available in 3, make a move for one of them. If not, take whats there. Someone will fall. Not all of these guys are going to go in round 1 and 2.

Where’d you see this?

They’re definitely going to have a better options at RT if they can get even average LT play out of Niang.

“Hope y’all haven’t forgotten about the OL Gruden camp show. It’s almost ready for y’all. We got a name and everything. I promise it’s everything y’all wanted. Sit tight and it will be here soon.”

Per Geoff Schwartz

He’s starting his own Gruden camp based on OL. I’ll be tuning in.

Bad. I would feel bad.

Newsome is a better prospect at CB than Marshall is at WR and that’s saying something because I think Marshall is an excellent prospect.

I read it somewhere yesterday. Think I could find it today quickly? Of course not. I'll search later when I get home from work. Maybe I watched something on it or I'm simply old and confused haha.

There’s nothing here that I really disagree with. Good post.

I think it’s going to depend on what type of CB they’re looking for. Do they want an outside CB or are they looking to move Snead outside and they’re looking for a NB.

True. This is an amazing CB class either way. The only position that’s stronger is WR.

I also think it’s entirely possible that they want a guy that can play inside this year then possibly move outside when Ward walks next year.

Yeah. If they’re being truthful about Niang (because who the **** knows)....they’ve got tons of options in the first round.

All the DEs are gone? Grab a CB or WR.
One of the DEs falls? Even better.
Bateman makes it to 31? You’ve got your X.

Shit...they could even take Jenkins at 31 and have their OTs set for the next 5 years.

This is why I was so adamant about not trading up. This draft could be a ****ing feast if they play things right. Even trading down and getting more picks, this draft is loaded at positions the Chiefs can use immediately.

So, I thought him confused with Tommy Doyle from Miami of Ohio... but I can't find shit on either. So, I likely saw it on something or I was dreaming up something in the delirious state I've been in in the past few days. I have no idea.

What did CP conclude on Spencer Brown in the third?
Maybe moving up a few spots if needed